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LeoNatan
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 Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 02:48 Post subject: The DLC/Special Edition Content Hate Thread |
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I think this is one of the worst concepts in gaming history. What used to be releasing games with modding tools so people could add and modify content, is now releasing games with modding disabled and forbidden, with no editors and no support for editing, so that they could release small stupid content packs that are worst than what the community would usually do, for cash purposes.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 02:55 Post subject: |
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Depends. If it's good stuff which is almost an expansion then yes, they're not doing anything dodgy by charging for it.
However if it's a few extra in game items and crap like that they shouldn't no.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 02:56 Post subject: |
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Don't worry, I'm sure Cedge will come along and preach how companies need the money, and bla bla bla.
I want this to be fair, lol. But come on, you have companies like Creative Assembly and Sega, which have said that they will cease and desist any mod that may resemble what they offer on their Special Edition and future DLC. How is that fair?
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 03:02 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | Don't worry, I'm sure Cedge will come along and preach how companies need the money, and bla bla bla.
I want this to be fair, lol. But come on, you have companies like Creative Assembly and Sega, which have said that they will cease and desist any mod that may resemble what they offer on their Special Edition and future DLC. How is that fair? |
Because they hold copyright. If a mod is basically a copy of their content they have a right to stop it.
But again, it depends how far they push the resemble part. There's no definitive answer to the subject as an whole.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 03:14 Post subject: |
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The best example of this would be Dawn of War 2, where the devs actually removed some mod tools in retail, and Company of Heroes, where the devs dumbed down the map editor (iirc) with each patch, to make it harder for players to release content competitive of their own DLC addons.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 03:22 Post subject: |
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Yes. I'm not sure if it is still possible to add custom models to DoW2. And still, even if they manage, they are jumping through needless hoops just to do something that was possible with ease in the first game.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 03:58 Post subject: |
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what happened to real expansion packs? and patches with "free" content.
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Ricky78
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 04:01 Post subject: |
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It depends, the DLCs that really worth their cost are very rare, however I hate those that enable stuff already included in the game.
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suprman
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 04:24 Post subject: |
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At the end of the day DLC's are what we from the old skool used to call mods, and they where always free for as long as I can remember, So it's bullshit that games companys try to monopolise on such a thing.
Disclaimer: Grammatical and spelling mistakes are purposely left in my posts to weed out anally retentive trolls.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 04:35 Post subject: |
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| Ricky78 wrote: | | It depends, the DLCs that really worth their cost are very rare, however I hate those that enable stuff already included in the game. |
Not only this, but companies would punish you for unlocking superficially locked content (like with HAWX), because you see, even if you bought a DVD, a fifth of the content of that DVD is not for you to have!  |
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 04:59 Post subject: |
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I dont hate it , when I look at the DLC from TombRaider first and second pack then I had good fun with those , also the DLC from GTA 4 was well worth the money.
As long for me a DLC is worth the money then im all up for it, I was very happy to read that Assasins Creed 2 is getting a DLC.
Also had fun with Prince of Persia DLC.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 05:15 Post subject: |
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Ehh really, what is planned for AC? Or is it something for AC2?
Edit: Also, why do I care, it's not for PC anyway, knowing Ubisoft's record. BTW, you do know why they don't release DLC for the PC, right? It's because their games don't have serials, and they can't tie the DLC pack to one person, so they won't earn enough cash.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 05:47 Post subject: |
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Yes i ment Assasins Creed 2
Edited it also.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 07:45 Post subject: |
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I say it depends on what game the DLC is released for, any game released by EA will probably have a DLC that should've been included in the fucking vanilla game
but the only game I see DLC is working well for so far is Fallout 3, it's only 800 MS point (with a G4WL key and any pirated game you'll get thousands of MS points easy) or you can just DL them Ripped and they're just copy and pasted into the /data folder no protection no bullshit.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 09:09 Post subject: |
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I despise them. And I bet some publishers won't even consider proper expansion packs anymore. Why bother anyway: you can release lots of small packs that together make more money, but content-wise they don't amount to nearly as much work as a expansion pack would have.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 10:43 Post subject: |
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To be perfectly honest, I really don't hate the concept of DLC --- when it's done RIGHT!! When, like Mass Effect, Fable 2, Oblivion (ignoring Horse Armour, lol) or GTA4 - then yeah, it's a good idea. It's a way of getting out expanded content months after the game release.
Some of it is fucking DROSS and the publisher/developer should be shot (again, referring to shit like Horse Armour and Capcom's bullshit "new costumes! versus mode!!" nonsense) but as long as it's done right, and done cheaply, then I'm not too averse to it. What I will NOT do, however, not now and not ever; is subscribe to EA's bullshit "micro-transaction" policy. I ignored the shit out of it on BF-Heroes and I'm not giving those thieving fucknuts a penny for any Sims3 "store downloads"
Of course I prefer mods instead, they're free and extremely plentiful 
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 10:47 Post subject: |
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| EwarWoo1 wrote: | Depends. If it's good stuff which is almost an expansion then yes, they're not doing anything dodgy by charging for it.
However if it's a few extra in game items and crap like that they shouldn't no. |
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 10:50 Post subject: |
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Like everyone is saying, it depends on the DLC itself. For some devs it's a good way to add new content after release for a small price, for most publishers though it's another way to fuck gamers. Just like microtransactions. Release some bullshit content an artist created in two minutes and charge money for it. I am absolutely certain EA will make millions using microtransactions for Sims. I'm waiting for the first shooters where you have to buy the individual guns.
To be fair, the DLC's seem to be maturing. Look at what Rockstar, Bethesda and Bioware are doing.
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| Mister_s wrote: | | I am absolutely certain EA will make millions using microtransactions for Sims. I'm waiting for the first shooters where you have to buy the individual guns |
Battlefield Heroes.
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zmed
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 11:08 Post subject: |
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Most of the time I hate them. I hate when they try to charge for menial stuff. Seeing the S3 store only made my decision not to buy it even stronger. I wanted to, but seeing that the price:content ratio is ridicilous compared to the old stuff pack system, they can rot in hell for all I care. I'll pirate the shit out of that one.
But there are a few instances when it's done right. Just look at GTA4's DLCs. They aren't pathectic car packs or cloth reskins like most other DLCs. They are full blown game missions with a new storyline, with new characters. That's they way it should be. Giving players an expansion-worth of content for an amount of money that justifies the amount AND QUALITY of content offered (not just redone S2 items like in the S3 store).
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 11:09 Post subject: |
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Ehh, Oblivion? Oblivion had a crazy good expansion, Shivering Isles, which does not come under the term DRM. All the rest (aka the DLC) was meh. 
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 12:09 Post subject: |
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Bring Tomb Rider DLC to the PC !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 12:22 Post subject: |
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DLC's for free would not happen though, depending on the DLC of course. Look at Rockstar's "Lost and Damned", a mod can never come close to that. It's a developers right to ask some money for such work.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 12:27 Post subject: |
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In the case of Rockstar, they are putting out great DLC (unfortunately not for PC) but they are not stopping people from modding their game, in fact, the latest patches made it easier.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 12:30 Post subject: |
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I am pissed about it since only 1 of the games I bought that used DLC as a selling perk actually released any.. Fallout 3.
A big huge FINGER to the rest, convinient way of selling half finished products imho.
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| Posted: Sat, 30th May 2009 12:35 Post subject: |
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DLC is fine when they expand a great game with tons of content, like GTA4, Midnight Club: LA and a few other games. DLC is crap when they charge 5$ for extra car or 2 rpg items or whatever.
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