New NAS (DS1019+)
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Przepraszam
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 00:09    Post subject: New NAS (DS1019+)
So, I finally decided to get get rid of my Buffalo 441 with 4TB x4
to
Synology DS1019+
Upgrade to 16GB of RAM.
AND
5 x 10TB WD RED PRO DRIVES!!!

Gonna put everything in SHR that should leave me with 40TB of space.
Everything should be here on Saturday!

Good times ahead of me and setting everything up!


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 00:37    Post subject:
I'm so happy Pffchh

Keep us updated

Here's a donkley for your effort

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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 01:20    Post subject:
Enjoy your slow drives men

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-fesses-up-some-red-hdds-use-slow-smr-tech


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 02:15    Post subject:
Well. Shit. Bought premium drives.
Feels bad man


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 02:17    Post subject:
today i spun up my 5 200gig maxtor drives from around 2005 to see what was still on them lol Very Happy 480p-720p lan leech

guess i should get me one of them multi terra drive soon and try and see if i can still flip old IDE drives
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 04:56    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Enjoy your slow drives men

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-fesses-up-some-red-hdds-use-slow-smr-tech


According to the article..

"Currently, Western Digital’s WD Red 2TB-6TB drives are device-managed SMR (DMSMR). WD Red 8TB-14TB are CMR-based.""

So, WD Reds should still be good? And there is no mention of the PRO line...


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 05:05    Post subject:
I'd personally stick to WD Red, NAS / media doesn't need speed. Seagates of all varieties kept failing and now my entire array are Red's, I've not had any bad SMART reports for a good 3+ years now with 14x disks running 24/7 Cool

I'm bit skeptical of drives over 4tb as well at the moment, I couldn't find info but the 2x 8tb's i have idle at 46 which is supposed to be bad for the drives.
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 05:13    Post subject:
@AmpegV4 I have also got newer generation I think?

WD101KFBX VS WD102KFBX

I wasn't really able to find any information what is the difference..


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 06:05    Post subject:
Looks identical, one offers a pro-7200 and standard-5400 rpm model. Another thing, I'm unsure what options you have in terms of setting up the array with Synology but I would avoid RAID5 which seems to be recommended a lot for NAS setups.

Why? because it requires all the disks spin up in order to do anything, so that increases disk failure + you will get god awful performance when 2-3 users all want to transcode different media from the NAS at the same time. If RAID4's an option (I use UnRaid for my NAS which works this way) then I'd go with that, else JBOD style.

Anyway this would be assuming your main focus is hosting a few webapps (synology will have built into the OS) to automate hoarding a shit load of streaming media and your iso's collection Wink


Edit: Had a look at the Synology site, looks like they branded RAID4 as SHR (Synology Hybrid Raid), i would definitely use that configuration which will allow to mix and match disks as you slowly buy more storage over time, plus it will offer best performance for media access and resiliency. Sadly this will negate the value in getting the faster disks as SHR will reduce your write speed.
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 09:37    Post subject:
Redundancy in a NAS is much more important than speed.

SHR is definitely closer to RAID 5 than 4. Parity is distributed between the disks.
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 09:54    Post subject:
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In an SHR Volume, you can mix and match Hard Drives and let the calculations of the SHR layer do the work. This isn’t just at the moment of installation, but anytime you like. So, if you have for example 4 x 2TB drives in an 8-Bay enclosure and at a later date add 4x 4TB drives, not only will you be able to add these larger drives of any BRAND or speed, but also get the much, much bigger total capacity made available to you. With an SHR RAID, regardless of the mixing of the drives, in terms of redundancy vs Capacity, you will only lose 1x the largest drive. Whereas in a RAID 5 if you mixed drives, ALL of them will be viewed and RAID’ed as the smallest available drive and you still only have redundancy for a single drive. So, in practice:


Dang, I couldn't find a definitive diagram on whether SHR used a dedicated parity drive or not (RAID4 does this and only needs same capacity as the maximum sized disk in an array). All the features above are the same, i also like RAID4 doesn't suffer striping issues i.e lose 2x disks and I lose a bunch of TV shit who cares.. it don't risk losing the entire array with striping problems of RAID5.

Side-note: My brain does not understand how the RAID4 redundancy works, I have had single disk failures and recovered all data no problems. How does 1x dedicated parity drive max size 8tb (-8tb of storage in array) restore any disk in a 50tb array
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 10:06    Post subject:
I am interested in a NAS (or something similar) but also wish to have performance if its not entirely unpractical.

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels I don't understand the advantage of RAID-4 vs 5. The only difference I understand is the dedicated vs distributed parity information? This means writing is a slow as one disk.


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 11:13    Post subject:
Oh and congrats on the new hardware. Enjoy Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 14:23    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
PumpAction wrote:
Enjoy your slow drives men

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-fesses-up-some-red-hdds-use-slow-smr-tech


According to the article..

"Currently, Western Digital’s WD Red 2TB-6TB drives are device-managed SMR (DMSMR). WD Red 8TB-14TB are CMR-based.""

So, WD Reds should still be good? And there is no mention of the PRO line...

You are in the green Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Apr 2020 18:17    Post subject:
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Przepraszam
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Apr 2020 08:16    Post subject:
Everything was delivered today. Ram and Drives

Started the initial setup. Decided to do SHR1 with btrsf. Seems like logical thing to do. SHR2 would take 20TB away vs 10TB for SHR1.

What I didn't know that it takes about 14 hours to initialize 1 10TB disk...for 5 drives it will be around 2-3 days before I can do anything haha


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Apr 2020 13:46    Post subject:
So..I just setup Sonarr/Radarr with torrent/Usenet and VPN integration..

I had no idea how much automation Sonarr provides . And Usenet is pretty great once you do...
Overall 10/10 purchase on everything.


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Apr 2020 13:52    Post subject:
Sonarr, Radarr, Jackett, Deluge, Plex/Kodi/Emby > usenet + torrent as backup and you are invincible. Becoming mandatory with shitty carved up streaming services.
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