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Fuku2 Rage
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I paid $2,469.99 CAD for this 3090.
https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX00114155
Bought this to go along with it.
https://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX75508
Had a cooler master masterwatt 750w bronze 80 before. Not enough.
Oh well. No 3080's in sight where I live.
Intel I7 8700K
EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra
32 Gigs Ram
250 Gig SSD, 2 x 500 Gig SSD, 1 x 4 TB HD
ASUS ROG Thor 1200P PSU
LG 27" 4K monitor
Logitech G910 keyboard
Logitech G502 Mouse
Kingston Hyper X core Headset
Logitech 2.1 THX Z623 speakers
Xbox One controller
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JackQ
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 13:37 Post subject: |
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Question, WTF the prices crisis happend?
Did the covid-19 influence that?
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 14:37 Post subject: |
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Well, yes, the restrictions, the lock-downs, the economy stagnating, people losing their jobs, supply & demand fucked, etc etc... One can't expect things to carry on as normal in that situation, and one also can't expect it to recover quickly either, if at all. Prices are gonna hike higher and higher the longer this goes on, not just with GPU's, but everything. Shortages across the board.
My regular weekly grocery shopping has nearly doubled in past few weeks, and there is more to come.
You can't have it both ways when you start locking stuff down I'm afraid, it's the price we all have to pay in these miserable times 
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 15:46 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 17:38 Post subject: |
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VR is still extremely small. So his argument stands.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 17:51 Post subject: |
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That's 2 1080 screens...
His argument is valid, yours is not.
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DXWarlock
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 18:25 Post subject: |
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That's not what he said, tho.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 18:34 Post subject: |
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He said: "there isnt any new good games that need any of this hardware anyway".
Implying there is no audience for the card beyond marketing sales. (and good game is subjective. Games he considers good doesn't maybe. So we will need to assume 'good' means whatever each person enjoys not just him. So therefor all games).
He didn't say that the rush to get it was by more than actually needed it, or that the customer base that does need it is smaller than the demand currently, or that the actual base is a niche group that requires such hardware. It was "isn't any".
I would 100% agree with any of those others. That demand is higher than actual needed. But to say not needed. 100% disagree.
And would not the hardware you have the card hook to, and settings you run, dictate the need more than the game itself? Pick any new game...and I can find a 720 (or even 480) monitor and lowest settings that 'don't need a 3080'. And a setup that absolutely does need a 30x0 to get over 60 fps to get the 100/144 you need in the same game. Its what your driving that game into that decides mostly.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 18:47 Post subject: |
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What game needs 144hz AND requires a 3080 or better currently?
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 18:58 Post subject: |
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This is the list I can only make between me and my friend avi that are not matching/reaching monitor refresh rate on 3440x1440 between us.
(We both have same monitor setups, and similar PC other that vid card [me 1080ti him 2080ti] and his CPU is one step in same gen up from mine. I got 3700x hes got 3800x):
-MS flight sim
-Red Dead 2
-Control
-Cyberpunk 2077 (but we think that's more the games performance problem)
-Shadow of the Tomb Raider
-Horizon Zero Dawn
-Assassin's Creed Odyssey
-Assassin's Creed Valhalla
And VR, as niche as it is. Still is a candidate for need.
-Any VR game that isn't cartoonish graphics pushes my 1080ti and his 2080ti to 99% usage and struggles, if at all, to keep 90/144 (g2/index) refresh rate up.
Why do I need 144hz? Because that's what I bought the monitor for and it is made to go to. If I would settle for 100 hz in most all games..why would I not just get a 100hz one? Do you buy a 4k 60hz TV and then tell people "I watch everything in 1080p 30hz on it. I dont want the 4k resolution or 60hz it does even if I can."
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 19:03 Post subject: |
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So you admit, the need is for a very niche group of people.
Good, so we can move on lol.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 19:27 Post subject: |
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I'd love to sell my 2080 Super for 1k, but I can't buy anything instead of lol ^^
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 20:48 Post subject: |
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 20:57 Post subject: |
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Why don’t they just produce boards for mining and be done with it. I don’t understand the hypocrisy with releasing gaming cards and Laptops used for mining. Just make stripped down mining boards. It won’t help gamers anyway since its the same chips and memory.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 21:21 Post subject: |
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that that amount of games listed is just super tiny
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You can say the same every generation of cards as they come out. That hardly any 'need' it at launch.
Because games are made to run on cards 'reasonably well' that are available when its made. Otherwise no one would buy the game if you needed a card not out yet to run it.
I mean can you name one vid card that came out that everyone 'needed' it to play most games the month the card launched? (well other than quake 1 and the first true discrete video cards).
Or that a huge range of games already out was waiting on the card so they was playable at the most common resolution?
| PickupArtist wrote: | thats 2 months of full pension 5 star hotel holiday in egypt , or renting a house in russia for a year 
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IF that's the argument why are you not in the car bought thread, ranting people spent 20k+ on a car that could buy a full house in Russia for that money, when a 5k one would do? I mean who needs a new 200+ HP car to do city driving? Its pointless. The amount of places you can put your foot to the floor to use all of is just super tiny, and a niche market of consumers that go to them. Anyone buying more than a Lada is just a FOMO purchase of the hype and marketing around the nicer cars.
I do agree prices are crazy, and scalpers suck. And limited stock bites. But the argument about 'only a small list of games need it at niche higher resolutions and hz' goes back to the start of every gen of video card launches.
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Nui
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 21:44 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | Why don’t they just produce boards for mining and be done with it. I don’t understand the hypocrisy with releasing gaming cards and Laptops used for mining. Just make stripped down mining boards. It won’t help gamers anyway since its the same chips and memory. |
Dont miners want to resell the hardware? Maybe this is the best/safest financial decision.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 6th Feb 2021 21:49 Post subject: |
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| Nui wrote: | | couleur wrote: | | Why don’t they just produce boards for mining and be done with it. I don’t understand the hypocrisy with releasing gaming cards and Laptops used for mining. Just make stripped down mining boards. It won’t help gamers anyway since its the same chips and memory. |
Dont miners want to resell the hardware? Maybe this is the best/safest financial decision. |
I think its because it does no one no good.
-The amount of total cards would still be the same. Since they use the same hardware, just no output connection. Just now you have 1/2 that can game and 1/2 that can't. Say all the gamer ones sold out and amazon listed mining ones you have the opposite outrage.."There are cards just like I need for sale, I can't use for gaming."
-So above: The card makers would be splitting the target market in to two groups to balance with the same raw stock to work with. When one buyer group works better and is safer (who can buy for gaming overlaps with miners, and vice versa...vs no overlap of marketable items)
-Mining cards would be one use throw away items with no resale value. Miners wont want older ones, and gamers cant use them after.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Feb 2021 05:26 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: |
much fewer people are gonna buy a gaming pc anymore if they have to pay 300 eur for a 100 eur card, or budget savy parents, they will all go for the new xbox ... pc gaming is gonna get fucked so hard this year , u have no idea what this will do to devs decision making when they pick pc or console |
Whilst that argument is most probably true, the same applies to them also. The consoles are not exempt from this, as is nothing. The xbox and station 5 are also going for silly prices, if you want them, else you can't get hold of them otherwise 
I've had a brand new 'cooker' (kitchen appliance lol) on my wishlist for a couple of months, was in no hurry at the time, the price varied from 169-199 during that period, and I thought, when time is right, I'll get lucky and get it at the lower cost. Today, you can't get it at all, unless I wish to pay 450+ and wait 6 months for same product.
An example, but it shows the state we are now in.
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Feb 2021 14:18 Post subject: |
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Hey, they're shutting themselves down. Everything is good!
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JackQ
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2021 07:56 Post subject: |
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Man, the prices OMG, I might consider buy myself 3070 now, the prices are becoming unaffordable.
"Fuck Denuvo"
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Feb 2021 11:51 Post subject: |
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Still can't believe I got a 3080 TUF for 720€ back in the day.
I always figured If I didn't get it it would get easier to get one with time anyway. Oh boy was I wrong.
I remember when people said "It's like this every launch lol"
We're months past the normal launch shortages.
Fuck is happening?
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