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DXWarlock
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well gotta pay them docs and insures their pvt yachts and cocaine and hookers u know, they blow that kinda cash in 3 hours easy ...
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zmed
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DXWarlock
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deelix
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 00:30 Post subject: |
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Yep one of the main reasons i completely write off USA as a place to live.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 06:40 Post subject: |
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Had a close relative undergo a stem-cell transplant several years ago due to blood cancer. The cost of the transplant + 2 week hospital stay for recovery (you can't go home till it takes and your immune system is back in order) ended up being just shy of $750k. While "insurance" covered a majority of this, "insurance" is also the reason the bill was that astronomically high in the first place. It's a joke.
Basically, your average uninsured person in the US has two options when they get sick - hope their body fights it off naturally and they feel better, or they don't and they end up dying. The third option, where you may live, but if you do you'll wish you had died because you'll be indebted for the rest of your life, isn't really feasible or attractive.
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Frant
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 13:02 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Yea, they dont want to pay for others medical bills.
So they pay $400+ a month into insurance which is..as you said paying for others medical bills, PLUS the insurance profits, the share holders profits and doctors kick backs...that's WAY better than just for others bills...right?
And that not even ALL The charges....general anesthesia during the surgery? $2556 on top of that 69k.
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It's ridiculous really.
Part of my yearly taxes that goes into the health system is $1177/year which help fund:
National Health Insurance which includes monthly payouts (with a lower limit to include rent, heat, food, clothes etc.) for people with long-term health issues (physical or mental)
Disability compensation and support
Rehabilitation (all kinds)
Specialist health care (non-psychiatric and psychiatric)
Home care (nurse, doctor, assistants)
Prescription medicines
and other general health care.
How much do we pay out of pocket? From $5 to $30: $5-$10 to see a nurse by appointment. $15 to see a GP, $30 to see a specialist.
If you're referred by your GP to a specialist at the hospital you're already covered and pay nothing.
We pay a maximum of $270/year for prescription meds (after you reach that sum you get your meds free until the period starts over again).
We pay a maximum of $135/year for doctors appointments (whether GP or specialist) after which every appointment is free of charge.
Being in hospital: a maximum of $10/day with certain regions having a certain max-level cost of hospitalization. Actual surgery etc. is paid by government/taxes.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 15:02 Post subject: |
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| Yondaime wrote: | Yeah, it's absolutely sickening how disgustingly bad that system is.
I have always counted myself as being very lucky to have been born in a country with a type of universal healthcare system.
It really does boggle my mind how anyone who isn't rich as hell (even they should be for it but at least they can afford not to give a shit) could be against it. |
Same, it's absolutely baffling to me that a first world country (well, first-but-not-really  ) like USA is still adopting such an embarrassing scheme whilst acting as if this was the norm and everyone else is the weird one. It's like their system of measurement, only on a far deeper scale and with people's lives at stake. And that's without taking into account the absurd gun policy over there.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 16:01 Post subject: |
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@Frant
Man I need to move there. It's $130 out of pocket each time I see my GP/Primary care.
I got an MRI coming up Thursday. Insurance approved it for....$3217, $150 is my responsibility.
If my company didnt have a HRA (Which is an account they put in 10k to cover my deducible difference to insurance) I'd just say fuck it and if I die I die..lol.
So far this year I have spent around $6,000 of the 10,000 in my account.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Frant
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 16:10 Post subject: |
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Ugh... Then imagine all the people that can't afford private health insurance.. I mean... as someone who was born and grew up in a country with our public health care system I just feel flabbergasted that there are rich countries that don't have a similar system. It's the most basic system a rich country should support for it's citizens.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 16:34 Post subject: |
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Absolutely. I know a lot of them. My father was one and it may not have been THE thing that killed him, it weighed enough I can say its why its still not here now. He was having to ration blood pressure and insulin medicine as he could afford it. And only went to the doctor when someone forced him, most the time it was when he thought he was dying and finally gave in and went to the ER.
I got friends that are living that outlook of "Just hope I dont die" when they feel like shit....give it a week see if it gets better. If not stall for another 3-4 days, then go to the cheapest shittiest doctor they can afford.
My son (He's 24 so off my insurance) works 1 1/2 jobs, pays $110 a week out of his $600 a week paycheck for bare bones bottom of barrel insurance at his full time job [per week: $70 Medical, $30 Dental, $10 Vision], part times dont offer insurance.
Thats another thing, soooo many companies will hire you 'part time' so they dont have to offer it. They work you near full time, 35 hours a week but thats legally part time so sucks to be you if you get stuck in that type of job situation.
Anyway we THINK he broke, or at least fractured, a rib at work but he cannot afford the co-pay and x-ray deductible to find out. And he refuses to take my money to do it. He would feel bad taking $700 from me to maybe find out its just bruised.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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deelix
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2021 21:52 Post subject: |
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Would some sort of "biden-care" be realistic? I actually really hope that for all US citizens...
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