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russ80
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 Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 05:56 Post subject: Trying to decide on new tv |
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Just wondering if i’ll see a ‘big’ difference between my ks7500 (8500 us model) and the sony x900f or the b7 oled.
I’m kinda worried bout the oled ( burnin) since i also use the main tv for work ( so photoshop , idd, etc ) but then again the x900f is still led va like my ks, only slightly better?
Kinda want to buy a tv since we need 1 in the other bedroom as well but only want to get one when i can feel the difference from my ks, then send the ks to that bedroom and use the new tv as the main tv.
So, worth it? Asking if people happened to see the models personally in shops or had other situations in which they got to test them etc.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 07:43 Post subject: |
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You wouldn't be the first to utilize an LG OLED as a PC monitor. However, success is unfortunately not 100% guaranteed! I will get and use an OLED as a PC monitor as well, but I can manage with some safety precautions should it be necessary.
Maybe you want to wait for prices of 2018 OLED panels to come down though, as they increased the pixel area, especially for the red subpixel, which should further increase robustness.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 12:31 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 13:06 Post subject: |
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that burn-in test is unfortunately not quite realistic. Even compared to desktop monitor use, their material appears to be more static and problematic. The problem here is the rather unknown behaviour of the correction algorithms employed by the OLEDs. The only thing we do know is that the algorithms measurements aren't perfect and devices can correct too little and too much.
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russ80
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 13:12 Post subject: |
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Yeah watched those videos, nothing truly conclusive yet. Problem about 2018 panels dropping in price is i cant ser that happening. B7 was same price afaik 1 year ago (6500 lei for 55 inch which roughly equals 1500euros ). And it hasnt dropped, plus soon out of stock. I imagine same thing happening to the c8.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 14:51 Post subject: |
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still after only 2 weeks already such isseus, lol, fuck that shit, ud have to be nuts to buy this technojunk
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2018 15:39 Post subject: |
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I would love to get TV and use it as pc monitor but I cannot allow myself for anything bigger than 32".... so there are only monitors left but these suck ass.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2018 08:29 Post subject: |
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I saw both C7 and C8 on my trips to USA and I drooled a little. I plan to get an OLED screen when I decide which. The Sony TVs at egood also.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2018 13:10 Post subject: |
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@ paxsali
AFAIK the fastest display would be a current gen Samsung LCD, sorry QLED fucking samsung  . It even supports VRR (freesync) and 120Hz, though possibly limited in some way, due to bandwidth of hdmi 2.0. So high frame rate + HDR + 4k is probably impossible.
Best blacklevel is obviously obtained using OLED and the fastest are at 21 ms delay. Generally image quality is arguably the best for most people. Response times of pixels is also essentially perfect, so no smear at the panel level. Motion blur due to Sample & Hold still exists of course.
HDR seems generally weird still and I have 0 personal experience with it. No TV supports some of the master targets (like 10.000 nits) so every TV has to tinker with the signal somehow. Some just clip, some compress the range statically, some dynamically. Dynamically meaning that each scene is optimized somewhat individually.
The big selling point of LG's C8 compared to the previous gen I think was a dynamic HDR function for gaming to keep the image brighter in general, when super bright highlights aren't present.
Current Samsung LCD: VRR Freesync, 120Hz (probably limited), ~16 ms lag I think
LG C8 OLED: good input lag (21ms), 120Hz at 1080p
Current Panasonic OLED (e.g. FZW804): good input lag (21ms), used as secondary studio monitor in actual production in hollywood, good calibration tools (requires measurement device), does not support 120Hz in any way apparently
Personally Im only considering OLEDs and among them LG and Panasonic as others fail in input lag (incl. sony ffs!). My knowledge of LCDs is very limited.
Are you sure of your lag requirements? Is really 21ms too slow for you? I'm just curious 
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2018 17:26 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | | TF are you talking about? |
I am talking about the difference in input lag between 16ms and 21ms. At 4 frames delay without the display even, these 5 additional ms are not much. At 9 frames, it seems almost impossible to make any significant difference if its 166 or 171 ms delay.
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russ80
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2018 08:01 Post subject: |
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Are there any other decent options for the 1000e price range slightly better than the ks8500 in. 55 inch? I feel like getting this for 800e at the time makes it too good of a price compared to current tvs. All i see in this price range is the x850e which seems to score lower on hdr, i mean the ks can reach 1400 nits (in small windows) overall though similar to the x850e but then again sometimes while watching movies i feel like things should be brighter. Also has some annoying dimming issues in some cases (rare tbh) like say the black panther scene in the nighttime when they assault the vehicles in the jungle where it dims too much at a certain point.
The other tvs with similar performance to the ks8500 according to rtings are almost oled price (1400) like the x900e/f. And at that point i might as well just get oled.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jun 2018 12:36 Post subject: |
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I ordered the 55" LG C8. Since LG is the panel maker, and their C8 (and above) processor seems to do a good job too. The only thing missing is the HDR10+, but they will probably add it in a patch in the future.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jun 2018 15:27 Post subject: |
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Love my LG B7V.. everytime i decide to switch to it for PC gaming i'm amazed how good it looks (and my 34" monitor is not bad!).
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russ80
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jun 2018 17:19 Post subject: |
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Well bought the 55xe900 for now since i didnt wanna stress with burnin. So far a bit disappointed, seems a bit lower in brightness compared to my ks in hdr, everything else though is above, blacks cause of the dimming zones, upscaling, colors, hdr ‘natural’ look hard to explain but the ks had a fake look even if it was more bright..
Overall a better tv but not sure it was 300e better.
Ps: both tvs were ‘calibrated’ from the general consensus ( nothing blown out, no image processing, no dynamic contrast etc).
From reading how the oled 7 series handles hdr i probably would have been disappointed with that too since its almost the same brightness if not lower. The 8 series has a fix for that but out of my current budget.
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jun 2018 18:40 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | I ordered the 55" LG C8. Since LG is the panel maker, and their C8 (and above) processor seems to do a good job too. The only thing missing is the HDR10+, but they will probably add it in a patch in the future. |
How did you arrive on the decision to order this particular model?
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| Posted: Fri, 29th Jun 2018 23:36 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | I ordered the 55" LG C8. Since LG is the panel maker, and their C8 (and above) processor seems to do a good job too. The only thing missing is the HDR10+, but they will probably add it in a patch in the future. |
Everyone seems to be bitching about the low brightness of OLED in daylight viewing. What do you think about it?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2018 18:15 Post subject: |
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I'm sure it's a "problem". HDR content especially isn't really suitable for daylight viewing. I don't watch that much during the day anyway, so I cared less. My current TV (some 55" 1080p LCD) is less bright than the OLED, and I still see fine whenever I do watch.
I do lament that there are no antiglare strips on these panels, but what are you going to do.
| Yuri wrote: | | How did you arrive on the decision to order this particular model? |
Well, LG is virtually the sole panel maker of all OLED televisions. They have a good processor in there, and ABL is more loose. It might not be the smoothest when at 24p, but eh, on a 55" that's not the most noticeable and not the most important for me.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2018 18:16 Post subject: |
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I still haven't received the TV, so can't say how correct/wrong I am in the purchase.
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russ80
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2018 15:20 Post subject: |
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Ok upon further ‘review’ the tv is great, better than the KS by quite a bit. Apparently the shitty HDMI cable i was using as a temporary solution was crap affecting both colors/luminance and clarity ( i thought not having 18gbs 2.0 cable meant only 1s occasional interruptions when transfer rate was too high but seems it wasnt the only issue ). I was using it cause the good hdmi cable i had for the ks was too short to reach the back of the sony ( the ks having the small media box was easier to reach ).
Anyway, HDR is amazing now.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2018 13:27 Post subject: |
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Got the C8. Amazing!
It’s quite bright not sure what people are complaining about. I drooled on Blue Planet 2.
SDR looks great too on OLED.
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, so the cheaper one you find, you should take.
