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Werelds
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Aeon
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Is there more information about Sandy Bridge, because I'm thinking to buy a new PC. Will it be worth it?
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Slizza
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Dec 2010 13:47 Post subject: |
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January will bring the full story aeonfast.
It does indeed look like a promising platform.
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Aeon
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Frant
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 19:19 Post subject: |
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Will be interesting to see how it compares to AMD's Fusion chips.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 20:25 Post subject: |
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Im planning on getting new cpu/motherboard/memory 2011. Should I wait until this is released? Ive got a decent pc as it is atm - but want a better one.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 20:27 Post subject: |
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Core i7-2600k and Core i7-2600 <- whats the difference and will they be worth buying or should I wait for others?
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 22:29 Post subject: |
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afaik k can be overclocked and the regular can't. so casual users pay slightly less and keep it as it is...
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 11:07 Post subject: |
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The K has unlocked BCLK and MP. The regular one will most likely (but this is still unclear) have a locked BCLK, with the option to set the turbo MP a few steps higher.
So for overclocking, the K parts are the ones to get really 
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Frant
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 12:08 Post subject: |
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| Ankh wrote: | | Im planning on getting new cpu/motherboard/memory 2011. Should I wait until this is released? Ive got a decent pc as it is atm - but want a better one. |
These won't be useful for performance hungry gamers since they're basically replacing on-board crap graphics. Laptops and budget-to-lowmid PC's will be the target for these chips. Personally I'm very uninterested in getting one of the CPUGPU's myself, it's just my curiosity about computer technology that drives the interest. However, you could wait for the new sockets to arrive so you're "safe" for 12+ months. Intel swaps sockets more often than some people change underwear. Bastards.
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jan 2011 07:31 Post subject: |
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http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i5-2500k-and-core-i7-2600k-review/
That's a lot of performance for just ~350 USD or less for the other models.
(In comparison that how Intel used to be around 1000 USD for the top-end models though the other CPU's in the series usually overclocked to that level just fine for less, heh.)
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Aeon
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jan 2011 08:43 Post subject: |
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Good article. I guess it is worth to upgrade in my case?
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jan 2011 09:11 Post subject: |
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Wish I had time to look at these in more detail, but dear lord they do look mighty impressive. I have no idea what P67 boards are like in terms of price yet, but from Anand's review (I just skipped to the OC pages and then to the conclusion  )
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Intel Core i7-2600: Standard = $294, Unlocked=$317 (+$23)
Intel Core i5-2500: Standard = $205, Unlocked=$216 (+$11)
As an added bonus, both K-series SKUs get Intel’s HD Graphics 3000, while the non-K series SKUs are left with the lower HD Graphics 2000 GPU.
Compared to Lynnfield, you’re paying $11 more than a Core i5-760 and you’re getting around 10-45% more performance, even before you overclock. In a perfect world I’d want all chips to ship unlocked; in a less perfect world I’d want there to be no price premium for the K-series SKUs, but at the end of the day what Intel is asking for here isn’t absurd. On the bright side, it does vastly simplify Intel’s product stack when recommending to enthusiasts: just buy anything with a K at the end of it.
Since we’re relying on multiplier adjustment alone for overclocking, your motherboard and memory actually matter less for overclocking with Sandy Bridge than they did with P55. On both P67 and H67, memory ratios are fully unlocked so you can independently set memory speed and CPU speed. Even the GPU ratios are fully unlocked on all platforms and fully independent from everything else. |
So basically there's no reason to go for an unlocked unit.
What astonishes me is the clocks they achieved. The cheapest unit (2400) with a better-than-stock cooler did 4.8 for Anand, the 2600 with the STOCK cooler reached 4.4 fully stable. My i5-760 does that (4.4), but that's pretty much the limit of what the board and CPU can take without watercooling. I really need to see the prices for the EU (American prices really mean jackshit to me, we always get fucked over one way or another), but based on this I think it's safe to say Intel did well. Now bring on AMD's APU's so we can see if AMD caught up in raw performance!
Edit: consumption also looks fucking amazing, if that translates to temperature properly then it's no surprise they can clock so well. Need to get home to properly read reviews
Also sounds good for laptops!
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Aeon
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Slizza
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jan 2011 14:19 Post subject: |
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Nice chips indeed.
No intention of changing my cpu platform for a while yet though.
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jan 2011 14:33 Post subject: |
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I might get a high end sandy bridge when they become widely available. Better performance for my old games in DOSBox! 
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jan 2011 16:11 Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)#32_nm_Sandy_Bridge
High end desktop edition with 8 cores appearing in Q3. I'll get this one
Compared to the one out now, it has 51.2 GB/s peak bandwith, the 2600k has a peak bandwith of 21.3 GB/s.
This also has a max L3 cache of 20mb whereas the 2600k has a max of 8mb, this might mean that the new one will be worse at overclocking though.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jan 2011 20:17 Post subject: |
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Right so basically it boils down to this (just looking at the parts we usually care about):
- i5-2500K competing with the i5-760 based on its price (in the US atm at least)
- i5-2600K competing with the i7-950 based on its price (in the US atm at least)
The Sandy's are 10% faster than their direct competitor, period. Depending on the application it may even be up to 50% faster thanks to the higher stock clocks.
Overclocking them is even easier than the current parts are, at which point the current generation doesn't stand a chance, and unless an application is actually fucking awesome at multithreading, they are miles ahead of even a 980X at a fraction of the cost. Considering the stock low-profile coolers allow these things to sit halfway between 4 and 5 GHz, with a half-decent aftermarket cooler I honestly don't see any limit as to how fast they can get, other than actual chip limitations.
They may not be a huge leap forward at stock, but the ridiculous overclocking potential makes the current generation completely irrelevant
Problem is...
Now I want a Sandy based laptop 
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 3rd Jan 2011 20:52 Post subject: |
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| human_steel wrote: | | pwerelds, is a i7 2600k a good and justified upgrade leap over my e8600 in terms of gaming performance? That's roughly what I use my computer for. Maybe a silly question for some but I'm no expert at these matters. |
Directly? Somewhat, but you'll be able to overclock easier and higher, which you will in fact notice. I would recommend the 2500K rather than 2600K though, much cheaper and Hyperthreading is quite pointless for gaming
Gaming is the part where you'll notice it the least though, it's all the other things that'll be better (like alt-tabbing to troll da hump)
Edit: to clarify, you will in fact notice it, because these things do perform quite a lot better clock-for-clock than the old Core 2; even the current i5's help. While your max FPS won't get higher per se, your minimum FPS will most likely be quite a bit higher, with much fewer (and smaller) drops
Edit2 @ Slizza: No need, motherboard manufacturers have been able to tinker with these for months and months, the boards pretty much are mature already 
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Slizza
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Aeon
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Jan 2011 21:33 Post subject: |
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Is the GA-P67A-UD4 a good choice for the 2600K? I've only used gigabyte mobos so far and thus am aiming for their product lineup. I think it can serve up as a decent mid-class board.
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Jan 2011 21:37 Post subject: |
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http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/intel_corei7_2600k_and_corei5_2500k/
DOWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT. Holy shit! I guess I'm putting off my sys upgrade for a few months then, because I'm definitely not going to kick myself in the ass by getting a PhenomII-955 or i5-750 ... not when the i7-26k or i5-25k are anything like THAT. Wow.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Wed, 5th Jan 2011 21:55 Post subject: |
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There's no really need to upgrade Sabin ; ) , our PCs can still handle the upcoming console ports very well! 
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