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 Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 11:51 Post subject: I got a job... kinda? xD |
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So I got a job at a startup company, well technically because of the slow Croatian bureaucracy there isn't a firm atm, but we're a part of some investor incubator or whatever. So technically I still don't have a job (I'll be payed on hands for the first month). I'll work as a web frontend developer 
The guy that is starting a firm, already works with wordpress, and has a clientele, and a framework he works with. He has a designer who designs for clients, and apparently all I'd have to do is do some css magic. Which is cool.
If all goes well, after a month when the firm'll be up, he'll hire me for real.
So that's cool, the job seems alright, it's basically what I've been doing for some time now as a freelancer, only I've worked mostly with Joomla, not wp, but I'll figure it out (I figured Joomla out all by myself so).
The only thing is that I'm kinda scared that I'll flop big time :\ Like that I'd mess somethings up or sth like that 
I wish I had some previous experience, but I guess you need to start somewhere...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 12:35 Post subject: |
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Thanks. I just hope I'll live up to the task. It seems like a job I could do well and in which I could make a good progress (from what the guy told me).
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 12:44 Post subject: |
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I guess you'll soon find that out for yourself!
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 12:51 Post subject: |
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Congrats, with the job! Great way to get some experience on your CV.
Try not to be too scared.
Once you see people around you fail once in a while you'll get comfortable with your own. You're view is just a bit too high atm, everyone fucks up. As long as you learn from the mistakes most people wont hold it against you.
That's not a reason to not strive for perfection tho 
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matta666
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 13:22 Post subject: |
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Best of luck dingo! As always, we are here for you and there are quite some experienced web dev fellas around here, that lurk the programmers section
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 13:38 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I know I can always count on you guys
The thing is that I see guys like you or Paul who have all this knowledge in their little finger, and I wonder if I'll ever be like that.
Thanks for the encouragements people
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 15:04 Post subject: |
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Paul and I've been doing this shit for years and years. I started at a time when IE wasn't a standard in windows if I remember it correctly (IE 3, win95) and I'm googling my stuff all the time, can't remember everything 
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 15:27 Post subject: |
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You overestimate what I, Pumpy, garus or Interinactive really know by heart dingo
We still Google lots of things, as any programmer often will. Not because we don't know, but rather as a reminder. The trick is not to blindly copy and paste shit, but understand what it does and how it does it. That's why Stackoverflow is so great, because the good answers always come with a great explanation.
And yeah, that comes with just doing things. You'll never be done learning, I still learn new shit every day
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 16:10 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | Werelds what are you "programming"? html and css isn't programming  |
Dingo will be doing JS too and that is programming, even if some people aren't willing to admit that it is. |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 16:24 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | Werelds what are you "programming"? html and css isn't programming |
Yeah, create a complex HTML/CSS page, that is responsive, supports various devices and formats and don't call it programming 
I really want to see how you are going to implement complex responsive layouts without having to think about various calculations and algorithms that you need to circumvent.
HTML might have started as pure markup language to define simple documents, but thanks to CSS and newly implemented HTML5 features it is much much bigger and complex.
Usually people that have no clue about the amount of complexity belittle HTML/CSS development. That are also mostly the same derps that say that JavaScript is also not a programming language, but only a scripting language because DOH, javaSCRIPT |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 16:32 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 16:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 17:56 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | rgb#000 wrote: | | Werelds what are you "programming"? html and css isn't programming |
Yeah, create a complex HTML/CSS page, that is responsive, supports various devices and formats and don't call it programming
I really want to see how you are going to implement complex responsive layouts without having to think about various calculations and algorithms that you need to circumvent.
HTML might have started as pure markup language to define simple documents, but thanks to CSS and newly implemented HTML5 features it is much much bigger and complex.
Usually people that have no clue about the amount of complexity belittle HTML/CSS development. That are also mostly the same derps that say that JavaScript is also not a programming language, but only a scripting language because DOH, javaSCRIPT |
lol, don't act like html/css is something difficult or complex. nowadays having html/css knowledge is the same as it was having excel/word knowledge 10 years ago
every googler kiddie can be html/css "programmer" now |
True, but it does take some skill to create a nice looking web page that will work on all sizes and that won't break if you change a single item on it 
Plus for all the cool effects you do need to know JS, and even if it's not C or any other higher level programming language it still needs some programming skill to do it
Thanks for the encouragement guys Now I'm off to learn some more JS and finish one web I'm doing for $$
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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matta666
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 18:06 Post subject: |
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Of course it's programming, snob mentality aside it's a language that is compiled.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 20:07 Post subject: |
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 Congratulations for the job! Sounds pretty great to me. Don't worry about lack of experience or knowledge, it's all normal at first; beside you're a very fast learner, so there won't be any problems
Unfortunately I can't help you with teh code 'cause my career as a programmer lasted only a few months (8 years ago), but I can offer you virtual hugs and encouragement* xD
*if you know what I mean  |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2014 20:20 Post subject: |
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| Atropa wrote: | | Since html/css is not programming what would be programming? Just curious |
Sadly MinderMast's comment is often the argument to a point. Lots of people don't even consider Python, Perl, PHP or Ruby to be programming languages either, for whatever reason. And yet, the shit I do in PHP is more complex than most of the shit I've done in C#, because of what I've used each for.
In my book, programming means writing instructions for a computer to do something. HTML/CSS does that, so does JS. The "scripting" languages above sure as hell do that.
But that's alright, I'm not a programmer because I do some of my work in PHP and JS apparently. I've honestly grown indifferent to it, because I know better. A lot of "real" programmers that have said such shit to me because they do "real" "apps" (meaning mobile iOS/Android/WP, so Obj-C/Java/.NET or "desktop" which 99% of the time meant C#) don't even know what a fucking linked list is, much less build one themselves. |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Jun 2014 10:49 Post subject: |
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Ahh so it's really just the usual elitist prick mentality :/.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Jun 2014 10:56 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | Congratulations for the job! Sounds pretty great to me. Don't worry about lack of experience or knowledge, it's all normal at first; beside you're a very fast learner, so there won't be any problems
Unfortunately I can't help you with teh code 'cause my career as a programmer lasted only a few months (8 years ago), but I can offer you virtual hugs and encouragement* xD
*if you know what I mean |
You're on baby! 
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Jun 2014 12:21 Post subject: |
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| rgb#000 wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | rgb#000 wrote: | | Werelds what are you "programming"? html and css isn't programming |
Yeah, create a complex HTML/CSS page, that is responsive, supports various devices and formats and don't call it programming
I really want to see how you are going to implement complex responsive layouts without having to think about various calculations and algorithms that you need to circumvent.
HTML might have started as pure markup language to define simple documents, but thanks to CSS and newly implemented HTML5 features it is much much bigger and complex.
Usually people that have no clue about the amount of complexity belittle HTML/CSS development. That are also mostly the same derps that say that JavaScript is also not a programming language, but only a scripting language because DOH, javaSCRIPT |
lol, don't act like html/css is something difficult or complex. nowadays having html/css knowledge is the same as it was having excel/word knowledge 10 years ago
every googler kiddie can be html/css "programmer" now |
Yeah, that's why you see stuff like this http://pumpaction.prestige-gaming.net/3d/ (not a single line js) everywhere on the web And I've created much more complex stuff without the usage of JS. CSS selectors under certain circumstances can be used to capture user input events and display the data accordingly. Thanks to the cascading nature of CSS you can then trigger various modifications on the page. I made pages entirely in HTML+CSS where you'd have required JS some years ago and before that only Flash was capable to render.
Every derp can create a derp page. Doesn't mean that he didn't program it, just because it looks like shit.
| PumpAction wrote: | | Usually people that have no clue about the amount of complexity belittle HTML/CSS development. |
Oh look CSS+HTML = Turing complete
http://jsfiddle.net/Camilo/eQyBa/ |
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 Everyboady knows html is for teh simpel folk. <html><body><3d type="card">google</3d> <3d type="card">nfo</3d></body></html> and the browser does all the work There in that small code I implemented your silly site  lol trying to make it sound all high and mighty. Turing complete ever seen turing? No? I didn't think so, so how you know its complete? Even a bash script can be turing complete so we know all kiddies then.
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matta666
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Jun 2014 13:48 Post subject: |
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Yeah but surely there is a broad spectrum of functionality that isn't catered for with automatic browser mechanics?
Like with Windows event programming, a good deal of the code is done now with visual sdks; that doesn't mean there isn't the capacity for complexity surely.
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Anyone using gui builders is a script kiddie obviously. Real programmers program in code, not using mouse to drag and drop.
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