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 Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 10:00 Post subject: |
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"Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car." - Something to keep in mind before getting one. My friend died in a motorcycle crash and two others had serious crashes because of reckless drivers not noticing the bike.
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 12:02 Post subject: |
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I wouldn't advise a bike for main transportation when someone isn't used of it. It's not as easy and more dangerous then a car... and look how people fare in those already.
You really need experience and a cool head when driving these in all kinds of weather.
Also the fact you talk about unlocking to 170 doesn't really fill me with confidence, too many cowboys on bikes already.
It would also have been better if you had spring/summer to get you re-acquaintance with riding a bike before autumn/winter weather would come in.
Only had a Honda MTX as a 125cc, did the job, wasn't too heavy, speed and acceleration was good enough when riding in the city/between cities.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 12:21 Post subject: |
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| MORPHINEUS wrote: | | Also the fact you talk about unlocking to 170 doesn't really fill me with confidence, too many cowboys on bikes already. |
That.
WB's message is all fine and dandy, but the number of motorcyclists killed in an accident is nowhere near the number of motorcyclists that are just fucking dickheads in traffic as much as a lot of car drivers. I've had several occasions where the only reason I didn't kill a motorcyclist (or any cyclist for that matter  ) because I was paying attention and they weren't. There's an awful lot of extremely reckless motorcyclists out there. I have very little respect for most cyclists, as they all act as if they own the road - and they sort of do, because they know cars are scared to death of hitting them.
Even last tuesday on my way to Brussels one of them flew by me at at least 180 and if it wasn't for me checking my blind spot I would've hit him. I was about to overtake, at 130 KM/h, indicator was on and everything and he gave 0 shits. And then 20 minutes later when stuck in traffic another of those dipshits was cutting through the traffic, which I'm fine with. But not at the 70 or so he was doing.
Car drivers are at fault by law here, because their vehicle is the stronger one, but I'm willing to bet that at least half of the accidents involving motorcyclists was as much recklessness on the motorcyclists' side as it was lack of attention on the car driver's side, just like with car-to-car accidents. |
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 12:27 Post subject: |
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Well, i didnt say that id drive like a cowboy  and we have speedlimits of 50 in the city and 80 on the city-highway. I wouldnt dethrottle
the bike right from the start, but later on im sure id appreciate a little bit more power.
Its really just to get to my customers every day, who are all around the city (5-30km). Hate to get stuck in traffic jams, parking prices are € 2,- per hour
and a bike is so much more cheaper in general. So if i drive safe, there shouldnt be any issues.
Im just wondering how those 125cc compare to "real" bikes... in terms of weight, sound, acceleration, how they feel. Or am i better with a bicycle.
Your Honda would just be too weak for my taste. With the save driving in mind, i still want to be able to pass cars on the highway and
country road easily, and dont get stuck on the 3rd lane with the trucks at 110kmh. 
| Werelds wrote: |
Car drivers are at fault by law here, because their vehicle is the stronger one, but I'm willing to bet that at least half of the accidents involving motorcyclists was as much recklessness on the motorcyclists' side as it was lack of attention on the car driver's side, just like with car-to-car accidents. |
Really? You cant blame a car driver for the faults of a bike driver... weird.
Well i get you, but im in no way like that. And i think generalizing a whole group of people wont help much either. We are all pedestrians, car drivers, bicycle drivers and some bike drivers. Everyone needs to pay attention, and there are idiots on either side...
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 12:41 Post subject: |
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If you are going for highways than a 125cc is not suited (everything above 100 starts to feel very unstable, hell an NSR already starts to feel unstable at 90  ).
And with a 250 you already need to get used of the weight compared to a 125cc that is easy to get into.
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fisk
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 12:54 Post subject: |
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Well, if you are reckless, careless, or like to be "macho" on the road, go over speed limits and be an all around douche, then its better that you do that on a motor cycle, because then Darwin will sort it out.
If you're aware, get proper training, listen to experienced drivers and take it to heart, stick to speed limits and train your reflexes, keep your distance, slow down to let macho retard drivers drive past you if they get too close, etc. - you'll be fine.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 13:08 Post subject: |
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A friend of mine has Yamaha YBR 125 - very nice beginner bike.
Max speed 110km/h, and at full throttle it uses up 2.5L/100km.
Very nice city bike, but a bit weak in out of city limits.
After I drove it a bit I bought the next one, which is x2 the price, thankfully I found it second hand from a driving school:
edit: YBR 250
It's a really nice bike, very maneuverable and light. Very driver friendly. Max speed 130km/h and uses up 2.5-3L/100km.
I'm very happy with the bike and drive it on the weekends, cruising around at 100km/h, it's very comfortable.
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 13:22 Post subject: |
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| Phil2003 wrote: | | Really? You cant blame a car driver for the faults of a bike driver... weird. |
Unfortunately, here they can :/
It has to be extremely obvious before a motorcyclist gets the blame. Also works the other way around; truck drivers will always be considered at fault over a car. Again has to be really obvious that the car driver's at fault (running a red light at twice the speed limit without seatbelt  ) before the claim's put on them.
| Quote: | | Well i get you, but im in no way like that. And i think generalizing a whole group of people wont help much either. We are all pedestrians, car drivers, bicycle drivers and some bike drivers. Everyone needs to pay attention, and there are idiots on either side... |
Well, good 
All I know is that after the years I've been on the road, I can safely say that 75% of motorcyclists act like complete douchebags. 95% of wannabe-professional-cyclists do. 100% of business drivers are, particularly those who get a big fat Mercedes on lease.
The relative power in motorcycles just goes to drivers' heads too quickly, the adrenaline rush (and trust me, I fully get it) is too good. The thing is that they should be extra vigilant and take extra precautions compared to car drivers, exactly because they've got the weaker vehicle and most simply don't. |
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 13:56 Post subject: |
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btw, how do you "unlock" them?
you mean chip tuning?
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Nec
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 18:43 Post subject: |
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While I only drive a scooter(400cc) nowadays, but driving a 125cc motorcycle is quite reckless. It makes you feel invincible, but it doesn't have the power to get you out of sticky situations. If you do get one, drive like the most careful grandma ever and do wear protective gear.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 18:56 Post subject: |
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NSR? You wanna die, dude?
Sell your car and get a 250cc scooter for the city.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 19:02 Post subject: |
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| StrEagle wrote: |
It's a really nice bike, very maneuverable and light. Very driver friendly. Max speed 130km/h and uses up 2.5-3L/100km.
I'm very happy with the bike and drive it on the weekends, cruising around at 100km/h, it's very comfortable. |
Looks gorgious! Unfortunately its a 4 stroke engine, so its stuck at about 100kmh. Not sure how you get to 130kmh with that thing. 
| StrEagle wrote: | btw, how do you "unlock" them?
you mean chip tuning? |
Nope, it depends if the bike has a throttled 2 stroke engine or a 4 stroke engine...
| Werelds wrote: |
All I know is that after the years I've been on the road, I can safely say that 75% of motorcyclists act like complete douchebags. 95% of wannabe-professional-cyclists do. 100% of business drivers are, particularly those who get a big fat Mercedes on lease.
The relative power in motorcycles just goes to drivers' heads too quickly, the adrenaline rush (and trust me, I fully get it) is too good. The thing is that they should be extra vigilant and take extra precautions compared to car drivers, exactly because they've got the weaker vehicle and most simply don't. |
Not sure where you live, but its definitly different in my country. There are some stupid racers, but not 75%. With all those generalizing you rather seem to me like that guy, who blames everyone else on the street, but has a blind spot for own mistakes... lack of social intelligence there.
| sabin1981 wrote: | I'm with Nec and VGA; get a maxiscooter  250/400cc machines, they're large and fast and incredibly stable with a lot of new tech niceties. |
Well the reason i think about it anyway, is because its no hassle to get the license for 125ccm (tuned up to 250). Getting the A license, on the other hand, takes a lot of money, time and those darn doctor's certificates... hate those tests at the eye specialist. Then again, those stronger bikes are more expensive too.
Im already thinking about keeping the 2 cars and get the bike just for fun. I mean, with about € 2000,- its possible and to keep the bike healthy isnt such a problem as with the cars.
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fisk
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 20:55 Post subject: |
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| Phil2003 wrote: |
Looks gorgious! Unfortunately its a 4 stroke engine, so its stuck at about 100kmh. Not sure how you get to 130kmh with that thing. |
That's YBR 250, 21HP
From the stop light the acceleration is that of a 100hp car, up to 100km/h, after that it falls off
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Nec
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 21:55 Post subject: |
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They might be more expensive than the bike 
if they're full
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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Nec
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 21:57 Post subject: |
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The motherboards and CPUs are under the seat. It's amazing the amount of stuff I can carry.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2014 22:12 Post subject: |
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I would usually be against buying a motorcycle to replace the car, but I believe Austrian 'standard' roads are a teeny-weeny bit different from ours when it comes to amount of traffic and general risks of becoming a human rug. So yeah, why not, I mean if you have the possibility and don't mind the cold, it's not a bad decision. Just do like the men say, behave!
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mug2k
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2014 02:23 Post subject: |
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lets all sound like a screaming wet fart annoying all the public....
if anything please take a test and get something that sounds like an engine and not like a bumble bee...
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fisk
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 25th Aug 2014 09:37 Post subject: |
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| Phil2003 wrote: | | Not sure where you live, but its definitly different in my country. There are some stupid racers, but not 75%. With all those generalizing you rather seem to me like that guy, who blames everyone else on the street, but has a blind spot for own mistakes... lack of social intelligence there. |
Now who's generalising and making assumptions? Lack of social intelligence and blaming everyone else for my mistakes? I'm pretty sure my insurance company disagrees, since I'm still completely claim free since 18. Only damage to any car I've driven ever was some asshole with a set of keys in a bad mood. No tickets for anything anywhere either.
But it's okay, you can kindly go fuck yourself |
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I was thinking more like the Honda Silverwing, Piaggio X10, Yamaha TMAX, Suzuki Burgman or the Aprilla SRV.
