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ToCS

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 02:18 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

the cops a thug ehh chinup? takes one to know one bud. if cops are so imature when it comes to handling an unlawfull person then why dont you try to change it... hold on... i get it, your going to play the role of the "bleeding-heart" liberal and cast down everyone who opposes you yet, not do a damn thing to change the way it is. its fucked up that he had to tase her but she got herself in the situation, even tho you obviously think its the cops fault as if he had a hard-on for a speeding silver trooper with a busted tail-light, busted windshield, with a suspendid licence.... RIGHT! im gonna laugh my ass off when you try to play the good guy in your "anarchist" world and opose direct orders and you get slammed. "I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON" - its very true. oh yeah, next time you watch the clip... turn the audio up so you hear the whole story.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 09:59 Post subject:

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the cops a thug ehh chinup? takes one to know one bud. if cops are so imature when it comes to handling an unlawfull person then why dont you try to change it... hold on... i get it, your going to play the role of the "bleeding-heart" liberal and cast down everyone who opposes you yet, not do a damn thing to change the way it is. its fucked up that he had to tase her but she got herself in the situation, even tho you obviously think its the cops fault as if he had a hard-on for a speeding silver trooper with a busted tail-light, busted windshield, with a suspendid licence.... RIGHT! im gonna laugh my ass off when you try to play the good guy in your "anarchist" world and opose direct orders and you get slammed. "I FOUGHT THE LAW AND THE LAW WON" - its very true. oh yeah, next time you watch the clip... turn the audio up so you hear the whole story.

Officers of the law are supposed to be the mature ones ..

I have lived in the US, UK, Canada .. & I can tell you its only the Americans that stand for that sort of ignorant authoritarian bullshit .. You like the fact that America is leading the way to destroying personal freedom .. that’s so sad .. land of the free .. more like land of the afraid ..

Keep supporting injustices in the name of the law & you will have no liberty left before you realize just how stupid you were to let it go on for so long ..

The Chinese police behave like that .. bully the public & force their will on the private individuals .. & you like it .. if your happy with this .. exactly how much belligerents will you accept .. your fear is destroying your nation .. crushing the spirit of the last bastion of freedom .. America is dead .. America was founded to give people a land where they would never have to live in this sort of oppression again .. or have you forgotten that ..

Traffic offences do not add up to violent criminal, who needs to be subdued .. Why make excuses for this fascist bullshit ?

"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 10:13 Post subject:

ChinUp wrote:

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Ur completely right about the US in the sense its gravitating more and more towards Facism rather than promoting Liberty, Democracy and Freedom...but still Democracy is Facism under the illusion of Freedom.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 10:36 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

This is the sort of mentality that calls people a criminal for downloading a maddona track .. the mentality that would turn in their own mother .. Frikken Nazi youth .. & they don’t even realize .. liberty & freedom are very personal .. if you cant stand up for it, in your day to day life .. Don’t ever expect your pubic servants to do so .. When the people tell each other to be submissive & do what ever the police tell them .. civil rights are gone .. you cant demonstrate, you cant speak out against the man, your vote is manipulated .. gone . all gone Spineless sheep .. you have thrown away one of the greatest chances our world had .. & it only took you 10 years .. pissed it all away .. "Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 11:28 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

So unfair, if this girl doesnt wanna come out the car you gonna tase her? This is so american bullshit.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 12:11 Post subject:

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So unfair, if this girl doesnt wanna come out the car you gonna tase her? This is so american bullshit.

I have to point out that ur talking about excessive force and u have a stick figure shooting a gun saying DIE! as an avatar... Wink

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 14:06 Post subject:

an interesting take on this situation .. I do not support any of the racism present within it ..

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YOUNG BLACK WOMAN ASSAULTED BY POLICE

Exclusive MOCK Interview with Sgt. Sedrick Aiken, a training officer in the Boynton Beach Police Department, and officer Rich McNevin.
Written by Marlon leTerrance
Link to the audio/video (full length version) of the incident can also be found HERE

Police brutality happens everyday in my old neighborhood. The folks I grew up with never stop for the cops until a well-lit and public place is found. In this MOCK interview, we follow up on a case in Boynton Beach where a young 22-year-old black woman was hit twice with 50,000 volts from a Taser by a white police officer. After watching the video and listening to the audio, it appeared to many people in my circle to be a case of excessive force. I wanted to give my readers the chance to hear the officer’s side of the story.

Marlon LeTerrance: I would like to thank you gentlemen for giving me the chance to interview you. I appreciate your time. I’m sure you both have been under a lot of stress over the past months.

Sgt. Sedrick Aiken: I’m glad to be here. People never get to hear the whole story anymore. They are too quick to rush to conclusions before they hear all the facts.

Officer Rich McNevin: I agree. The first thing some people did was accuse me of being a racist. These people don’t know me at all. I have a bunch of black friends. I get along with everyone.

ML: I’m sure you do. But let’s focus on what happened that day, August 6th, 2004. A 22-year old black woman named Victoria Goodwin was pulled over by you for speeding, am I correct?

RN: Yes. That’s correct. She was going 51 mph in a 35 mph zone. We were in an unmarked car and clocked her on radar.

SA: Also, when she pulled over, it became clear that the vehicle had a blown taillight. So there were two traffic violations already.

ML: I understand from watching the video that the young woman opened the driver side door of her Isuzu Rodeo once she stopped. That seemed to have posed a concern for you, officer McNevin, did it not?

RN: Yes it did. At first, I didn’t know who was in the car or what the situation was. There could have been three weed-smoking dudes with dreadlocks lying in the back seat and waiting to shoot us with sub machine guns the moment we approached the car. Things like this happen in our profession. We have to stay alert. I didn’t know what to expect when I approached the car. So, yes, I was concerned when she opened the door.

ML: So the door being opened made you feel threatened?

RN: Not threatened, just cautious.

SA: I train all of my officers to be super sensitive to situations that appear unordinary. When an officer pulls over a vehicle and the driver opens the door, that’s enough to send alarm bells off. It looks suspicious.

RN: I was just preparing myself for anything. I didn’t know what to expect. But as I got closer to the vehicle, I was able to discern that the young woman was indeed alone. So I asked her politely to please shut the door. She was very irate and uncooperative.

SA: If you watched the whole video, you would see that officer McNevin was very professional--exceedingly so. He kept his cool the whole while. I’m proud of him. The woman was cursing him and telling him that he didn’t know the law and all of those type things. She was way out of line. She even called him a racist and accused police of framing her brother or something like that. You see, most people never see the first part of the video. They just see the clip where the woman got hit with the Taser. But I think officer McNevin did a fine job of maintaining an aura of professionalism.

RN: She was a problem from the start. I had to ask her several times to please close her door. She kept telling me that she didn’t have to, like she knew the law better than I do. I didn’t like her attitude at all. She could have made the situation a lot easier on herself by just following my instructions without questioning me. She has to do what I say.

SA: The woman had issues. She was very confrontation. Still, officer McNevin had the patience to tolerate her and answer her questions several times about why we had pulled her over. I would never have done that. Officer McNevin remained calm, even when she became verbally abusive. I commend him.

ML: You say that she was verbally abusive? Considering the current climate in America regarding the relationship between the police and black youth, do you think any of her frustrations were justified?

SA: I don’t. I’m black. Officer McNevin is white. If I thought he was out of line I would be the first one to say so. But he performed well within his duty as an officer in my opinion.

RN: You know, Marlon, I just watched the movie Crash. I think it was a great movie that everyone in America should watch. It dealt with the race relation in this country very well. But I’m not that racist type cop in the movie Crash. I didn’t pull this young woman over without reason. I wasn’t trying to violate her civil rights. I’m just out here doing my job, trying to make the city a safer place to live. Not all cops are perfect; I understand that. But I’m not one of the bad guys.

ML: So you don’t think she had any reason to be frustrated with police?

RN: No I don’t. People make my job harder when they argue with me or become uncooperative. It never had to get to the Taser situation at all. All she had to do was listen to me and do as I instructed.

SA: She didn’t listen to anything officer McNevin said. She was too busy trying to tell him what his job was and what the law is. Who the hell do she think she is? She actually had the nerve to tell him that he couldn’t clock her on radar while he was driving. That’s absurd. There was just no excuse for her behavior. Again, I think officer McNevin did great for putting up with the broad for as long as he did. I would have pulled out the Taser way sooner than he did. The woman was unbearable.

ML: You say the woman was unbearable as though she posed some type of threat. I hope you are not suggesting that we live in a country where folks have to do a Bo jangle dance in front of police in order to keep from getting assaulted. It seems possible that she has a right to be upset, so long as her actions don’t violate a just law.

SA: I’m not saying people can’t be upset. Most of the motorists we pull over are upset. I’ve had cases were women broke down and cried when I pulled them over. So that’s not the point at all. I am just saying that she made the situation worse by accusing officer McNevin of being racist. At one point she even yelled out, “This is Bullshit!” What kind of stuff is that to say in front of a police officer? It makes her situation become worse.

ML: From the video, I see that the young lady eventually closed the door, and when you asked to see her license and registration, it appeared that she cooperated fully. It allowed you the opportunity to step back from the vehicle and radio in the license plate number. Did you have any other concerns at that point in the situation?

RN: To be frank, I did. I didn’t like the fact that she was still on her cell phone. It seemed very disrespectful to me. She was telling whoever was on the other end of the call everything that was happening. It was very disconcerting.

ML: Is it possible that she remained on the phone and told the other person everything that was transpiring because she was afraid? A twenty-two year old black woman being pulled over by a white policeman during a time in America when far too many cops beat black folks down for sport can be a scary situation. Did you consider the possibility that the young woman was afraid for her safety?

RN: Why you keep making it seem like a race thing? It’s not that at all. Young people these days just don’t have the proper respect for authority. They answer cell phones nowadays in a middle of a job interview. They have no regard for the law. It’s not a race thing, its an authority thing.

ML: How can the youth maintain a proper respect for authority when so many situations in our everyday life flood us with countless examples of the police abusing their authority? There wouldn’t be a case for black people to fear the police if so many cops were not out there bashing our heads in with batons. At some point, the lack of respect for cops and the fear of police brutality are intertwined, based on the reality of our day-to-day lives. Do you understand this possibility?

SA: People always crying about police brutality, but there is a flip side to that coin. We risk our lives every day out here. We don’t get thank you cards or respect from people for what we do until one of us dies in the line of duty. When someone's house is broken into, who is there to help him or her? The police. When someone is the victim of a crime, where does that person go for help? The police. We are not the bad guys. We get shot at, stabbed, and injured every day trying to protect society, and this is the thanks we get? Baseless accusations of being a racist or using excessive force! Well, fact is, sometimes force is necessary. We are not in the business of babysitting criminals. People like you are trying to handcuff the cops instead of the murderers and rapists and drug dealers. We are not the criminals. This is not an easy job. Who else would run into a house and try to put handcuffs on a man who is armed and dangerous? We do this type stuff every day when we make arrests. And we can’t always worry about whether or not we are grabbing a person’s arm to tight.

ML: Let’s not lose focus. We are not talking about David Koresh here. The only thing this woman was armed with was a cell phone and a dose of attitude. It seems hard to justify using a Taser on her--especially twice.

RN: I didn’t want to Taser the woman. Things just got out of hand. She kept asking me for my name and badge number and all of these things. It was like she was looking for a problem. I don’t know who she was talking to on the phone, but I think they got her in more trouble than it was worth. All she had to do was be quiet and do what I said do.

SA: Don’t try to make this woman out to be a saint. We later found out that she was driving with a suspended license. She wasn’t the Virgin Mary at all. She kept saying, “This is bullshit. Straight up bullshit.” But officer McNevin was patient enough with her through all of this to keep his composure. He even asked her, “And why is that?” Here she is cursing at a law enforcement officer, and instead of getting upset, he remains calm and collected. When she started babbling about getting her lawyer and all of that, officer McNevin still remained in control. I mean she actually called him a racist in his face. That would make anybody mad, no matter what his or her job is. But he just took it. I don’t see what he did wrong at all.

ML: It was obvious that the young lady had had a few bad experiences with the police before. She spoke about a brother who had been pulled over and unjustly arrested. This leads me back to my earlier question. It would seem as though the problem stemmed from a collection of negative experiences with police officers. And just like in the movie Crash, officer McNevin, sooner or later a person gets fed up with it all. I’ve been stopped several times as a young black male. Cops see me in an expensive car, driving through what they consider a white neighborhood, and they pull me over all the time. Not because I’m speeding or breaking the law, but rather, because I seem to “fit the description” of some generic black guy they are looking for. If you get enough of these stops over the course of your lifetime, it invites attitude.

RN: I can’t control what other cops do. I tried to remain as clear and professional with Miss Goodwin as possible. She pushed the limits and I reacted.

ML: Lets discuss your reaction. Once you discovered that her license was suspended, you walked back to her vehicle and told the young lady to put her cigarette out, put her phone down and step out the car. Am I correct? At what point did you feel it was necessary to taser her? And why?

RN: I told her several times to put her phone down. She was trying to tell someone what was going on. I was trying---

SA: You have to understand that she was giving the person over the phone directions to where she was. We don’t know who she was talking with. She—

RN: She could have been talking to a bunch of thugs or something. I didn’t know if, at any moment, a car filled with gang-bangers was going to pull up and open up fire on us. That’s why I told her to put her cell phone down.

ML: You seem to be intent on describing the situation as though you had reasons to be afraid of this 22-year-old woman. From my interpretation of the video, it would seem as though she was more afraid of you guys. And for good reason--

SA: Good reason? We are police officers for Christ’s sake! We have sworn to serve and protect.

ML: That’s even more of a reason to be afraid, for some people. In the video, you told her to step out of the car. She refused. She wanted to know why you were arresting her. But one thing that stuck out in the video was the fact that you opened her door and reached inside the vehicle. Why?

RN: The woman wasn’t following my orders. She kept talking on the cell phone. Finally, I decided to take matters further. I opened the door and reached into the vehicle to hang up her cell phone. I was going to help her out the car. At some point I have to act. I can’t sit around and wait for suspects to obey my instructions. I gave her countless opportunities to get out the vehicle. Once she pulled away from me and resisted arrest, I snatched out my Taser.

ML: The young woman seems to have thought you had a gun pointed at her. She is heard, almost panic-stricken, telling the person on the other end of the phone that you were going to shoot her. This sounds more like a frightened woman, not a woman who needs to be restrained or subdued. What am I missing?

RN: You are not taking into consideration that I told this woman to get out the car several times. I told her I would tase her if she didn’t obey me. She didn’t listen. I warned her repeatedly. Finally, I felt as though I had no choice.

SA: He gave her several chances to hang up her cell phone and get out the car. I would have done—

ML: Ok, officer McNevin. I am a logical man. Let’s say that I agreed with your reasoning and approved your choice of actions up to that point. You hit the young woman with 50,000 volts from your Taser. No problem. You did what you felt you had to do. A reasonable man could possibly understand this. But what I have a problem with, personally, is the fact that you used the Taser on the woman again, a few moments later, while she was on the ground writhing in pain. This is where it seems to be excessive force used. I can’t figure out why she had to be hit twice, especially when it is clear from the video that the woman was on the ground, flat, and screaming out in pain. Please clear this up for my readers, for it is the one point in this situation that bothers me the most. It seemed unnecessary, even brutal.

SA: You have to understand. The woman hadn’t been searched for weapons. She could have injured herself or others. She had to be subdued.

ML: So you taser her again? That’s a ridiculous answer.

RN: I told her to lie on her stomach. She didn’t listen. The woman was just hardheaded.

ML: The woman was frightened, shocked, and writhing around on the ground in pain. It’s hard to be obedient in that type situation. Another thing that bothered me was a comment you made just as you were leading her to the police car. You insinuated that the woman had tried to swing at the other officer and hit him. After watching the video repeatedly, there is absolutely no indication that she made even the slightest physical resistance. She didn’t have a chance to resist. Was that a lie on your part to cover up your actions?

RN: No. She did resist arrest. I had to tell her over and---

ML: We understand the verbal resistance. But the woman didn’t try to hit you or the other officer as you later claimed. That sounds like a lie. It seemed like you made it up expressly for the video in order to lay the groundwork for a cover-up should it become necessary.

SA: That’s absurd!

RN: I told her to turn on her stomach and put her hands behind her back. She didn’t do it. I told her several times. I warned her that I would tase her again if she didn’t obey me. I warned her every step of the way. She just kept resisting me.

ML: So you don’t think it was a bit excessive to taser the woman twice?

RN: No, it wasn’t. What people don’t know is, Tasers are not as bad as they seem. Every officer has to get tased before they are able to use it. I’ve been tased. I know how it feels. I think the woman was just exaggerating a little.

ML: Interesting. What did your superiors have to say about the situation?

SA: My lawyer has advised us to not to comment on that part. Our superiors reviewed the incident and I am satisfied with their decision. I don’t think officer McNevin did anything inappropriate.

ML: Were you disciplined or suspended or anything as a result of this incident?

SA: Like I said, we are not allowed to comment on that at the moment.

ML: So what happens now? Where do you go from here?

SA: There has been a lot of press coverage brewing ever since the interview with Dani Davies from the Post. I just hope people get to see our side of the story before the Jessie Jacksons and Al Sharptons come in and twist everything up. I’m a black man. This had nothing to do with race. I would have done the exact same thing in officer McNevin’s place, probably sooner.

ML: I don’t think you have to worry about Jessie Jackson for the time being. He’s too busy trying to snatch camera time away from Michael Jackson. What about you, officer McNevin, where do you go from here?

RN: I’m sorry that it had to happen. I gave the woman several chances. I warned her over and over again. She just wouldn’t listen to me. I am not a racist. You people have contributed a lot to this country. My best friend is black. This wasn’t about race at all. This was about a young woman who disobeyed the orders of a law enforcement officer. It’s that simple.

ML: I thank you both for coming and allowing me the chance to do this interview. In closing, let me say that I consider you both extremely lucky men. It’s been several months since Victoria Goodwin was assaulted. She obviously doesn’t have a brother or a loved one in her corner who thinks the way I do. Still, I feel her humiliation and pain. I have a kid sister who is now 19-years-old. If this situation had happened to her, we wouldn’t be here discussing the particulars. My family wouldn’t waste the time to sue the police department or the city. We wouldn’t worry about pressing charges or filing a complaint. Instead, I would resolve this problem my way. I’d follow you home one evening or catch you lounging at some doughnut shop and murder the both of you. I would empty every clip that I own into the front of your skulls, right between the eyes.

My sister would be the last female you ever used a Taser on. So consider yourselves very lucky, gentlemen. Most folks in my race are cowards. You cops keep finding the spineless Rodney Kings of the world to beat up on. But know this: I’m not the only one in my race or my generation who thinks like this. If you keep assaulting my people unjustly, you are going to one-day stumble across someone who won’t let it go--someone who will administer his own form of justice. And when that day comes, gentlemen, neither one of you will live to tell about it. That’s a promise.

http://www.marlonleterrance.com/Mock%20Interviews/PoliceInterview.htm

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 14:56 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Oh yeah that reporter seems like a desent fella, duh! Of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most! "Ozzy Osbourne" _ _ _ _ _

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A lot of you don't seem to understand something. This doesn't scare me AT ALL. I am a law-abiding citizen and when a cop pulls me over and tells me to get out of the car, I do it. I don't need a reason, I don't have to have done anything wrong. I just do it. I am not a sheep. If a guy in a business suit tried the same thing, or a thug with a gun, I'd have a different reaction. It's not about fear. It's about public safety. That cop has a REASON for what he is saying. It could be he's in the wrong, and is about to violate my rights. We have a court system for that. I don't need to fight him personally. That is illegal and very very dangerous. He has a GUN as well as that tazer. Police are not the enemy of anyone except CRIMINALS. As I am not a criminal, cops are on my side. They are doing what they are doing to protect me and everyone else. On the other hand, if I were doing something illegal, I imagine I might act just as she did. I would refuse even the most reasonable demands and attempt to get someone to come and get me out of the situation. Maybe even someone with a gun. The policeman probably should have pulled her out of the car by the arm, yes. That I agree with. But for some reason, he felt that was too dangerous. He used the next least dangerous response, the tazer. If the taser had not affected her, and she showed further signs of danger, he probably would have had to pull his gun.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 22:01 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

I think the fact that she kept screaming and moaning so long after the fact shows just what kind of person she is. Once the electricity passes out of your body, its gone, theres no more pain, you might feel a little "odd", maybe a tingling sensation, but there certainly isnt any pain, and even the officers who are REQUIRED to be tazered themselves to carry those things know this. She disobeyed, she got tazed, then after that taze ran out she had full control of herself and no pain, but she decided to play up her bullshit, got tazed again, and then handcuffed. From there on out it was just a bitchy women who didnt get her way and decided to try and play this shit up for all its worth in hopes of a lawsuit in the future.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 22:19 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Are you people utterly devoid of any feelings .. she was upset .. perhaps you have never had to deal with an adult that is in shock .. emotional .. ect .. Being able to deal with emotional situations without loosing it .. is a police officers job .. that is why this police officer failed to do his job & required a weapon to do his job for him .. I blame to a degree the people who let him out with a badge & weapons .. without training him properly .. training him how to control his emotions & calm down emotional people .. total shambles .. when an officer of the law needs to use a weapon to resolve a traffic violation arrest .. you have total incompetence as a keeper of the peace & purveyor of law & order .. How can you respect a cop who behaves like a spoilt child .. who attacks someone because they don’t do what he told them too .. fuck a primary school teacher could have dealt with it better .. "Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 22:23 Post subject:

the tazer will continue shocking until the officer lets go of the trigger ...

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the M26 and X26 tasers are programmed to set off an automatic five-second electrical charge, this happens if an officer pulls the trigger and releases it. The electrical charge can be prolonged beyond five seconds if the officer keeps his finger depressed on the trigger. A Taser International training manual states that "holding the trigger continuously beyond the 5 second cycle will continue the electrical cycle until the trigger is released".

so ... he could have been electrocuting her the entire time...

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here is also evidence to suggest that, far from being used to avoid lethal force, many US police agencies are deploying tasers as a routine force option to subdue non-compliant or disturbed individuals who do not pose a serious danger to themselves or others. In some departments, tasers have become the most prevalent force tool. They have been used against unruly schoolchildren; unarmed mentally disturbed or intoxicated individuals; suspects fleeing minor crime scenes and people who argue with police or fail to comply immediately with a command. Cases described in this report include the stunning of a 15-year-old schoolgirl in Florida, following a dispute on a bus, and a 13- year-old girl in Arizona, who threw a book in a public library.

In many such instances, the use of electro-shock weapons appears to have violated international standards prohibiting torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment as well as standards set out under the United Nations (UN) Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials and the Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials. These require that force should be used as a last resort and that officers must apply only the minimum amount of force necessary to obtain a lawful objective. They also provide that all use of force must be proportionate to the threat posed as well as designed to avoid unwarranted pain or injury.

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Although described by the manufacturer as a suitable tool for "aggressive, focused combatants", the taser appears to be a relatively low level force option in many US police departments. A survey by Amnesty International of more than 30 US police departments (including 20 of the largest city or county agencies) indicates that tasers are typically placed in the mid-range of the force scale, below batons or impact weapons rather than at, or just below, lethal force. (35) Some departments place the entry level for tasers at an even lower level, after verbal commands and light hands-on force.

For example, a number of law enforcement agencies allow tasers to be used against "passive resisters" – people who refuse to comply with police commands but do not interfere with an officer and pose no physical threat.(36) Others authorize tasers at an entry level of "defensive resistance", typically defined as "physical actions which attempt to prevent officer's control but do not attempt to harm the officer".(37) The Miramar Police Department, Florida, told Amnesty International (in response to concerns raised about the stunning of a schoolgirl during a minor disturbance) that tasers were available "prior to the use of intermediate weapons" such as batons. A Philadelphia Police Department directive states that tasers may be used, among other scenarios, to "overcome resistance to arrest". Indianapolis police told Amnesty International that the entry level at which tasers could be used was "at any point force is needed".(3 Cool

While many departments authorize tasers at the level of "active physical resistance", according to a number of policies Amnesty International has seen, this can be in the form of "bracing or tensing" or "attempts to push or pull away". These scenarios hardly depict the "combative" or "aggressive" individuals described in promotional literature.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/countries/usa/document.do?id=1A01E91E134A327080256F190042408D

This case is sadly only one in hundreds of examples of tazers being used in any situation. So much for talking to suspects anymore ...

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nouseforaname
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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 22:30 Post subject:

oh ... btw .. too bad for this woman that Boynton Beach is in Palm County, FL .. if it had been in Orange County, FL then this tazering for passive resistance wouldn't be allowed ..

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In July 2004, it was announced that eleven police agencies in Orange County, Florida, had agreed to restrict their use of tasers following a year-long review which suggested that some officers were too quick to resort to their weapons. Before the restrictions were imposed, officers were permitted to shock anyone who prevented an officer "from taking lawful action", including people engaged in "passive resistance": those who disobeyed an officer's verbal command without engaging in any threat or act of physical harm. The new rules allow officers to stun only people who show "active resistance". However, tasers can still be used well below the "lethal force" level, including under such broad circumstances as "preventing an officer from making an arrest". Some US police agencies may continue to allow tasers to be used at the level of "passive resistance". Records from the Orange County Sheriff's Department, Florida (the largest county police agency), showed that the agency used tasers in 180 cases in which individuals were engaged in "passive resistance" from 2001 to October 2003, although this policy was reportedly under review.(43)

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 22:38 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

wow im sure many got a hard-on watching how authority shouldnt be questioned. and by a woman! hearing those agony screems must have made your brown shirts throbbing to your excited heart beat. you disgust me. the only one having attitude problem here is obviously the fucking cop that couldnt take a soccer mom questioning him. hang him in the dawning and piss on his corpse. this was truly disturbing. like a fucking rape. macho pigs with sticks and tazers...what a nightmare.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 22:39 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

ahhh .. my favourite anarchist finally decided to pipe in asus z170-A \|\| core i5-6600K \|\| geforce gtx 970 4gb \|\| 16gb ddr4 ram \|\| win10 \|\| 1080p led samsung 27"

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 23:25 Post subject:

Nailbiter wrote:

wow im sure many got a hard-on watching how authority shouldnt be questioned. and by a woman! hearing those agony screems must have made your brown shirts throbbing to your excited heart beat. you disgust me.

the only one having attitude problem here is obviously the fucking cop that couldnt take a soccer mom questioning him. hang him in the dawning and piss on his corpse.

this was truly disturbing. like a fucking rape. macho pigs with sticks and tazers...what a nightmare.

Thats fine if you dont agree with what they did but its obvious she was faking it with all her moaning and screaming, except for those 5 seconds when she was receiving the stun of course. I doubt theres such thing as ...allergic to electricity...lol...and unless there is, it was all an act.

I would have more sympathy for this women if she wasnt such a bitch (and a dramatic bitch at that), sure the officer could have handled it better, I doubt she portrayed herself as a real threat but what she did do is piss off a cop, and like it or not thats asking for trouble.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 23:45 Post subject:

D4rkKnight wrote:

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U wouldnt scream like that if u were tased? get the fuck out outta it
isnt it like 50 thousand volts (obviously not high amps, as 6.something means death) or something?

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Posted: Thu, 6th Oct 2005 23:58 Post subject:

ChinUp wrote:

Are you people utterly devoid of any feelings .. she was upset .. perhaps you have never had to deal with an adult that is in shock .. emotional .. ect ..

If she had followed the law like she's supposed to, she wouldn't have anything to be upset about would she?

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 00:23 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

That horse manure for brains policeman .. wouldn’t know public relations if it bit him .. Professional policemen & women are very well trained in dealing with shock & emotional people .. its the bread & butter of their job .. any decent cop could have resolved that situation easily . Hell she waited like a good girl without even peeping .. she wanted to talk about it .. & he was all do what I tell you woman .. what an incompetent boob "Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 01:33 Post subject:

ChinUp wrote:

That horse manure for brains policeman .. wouldn’t know public relations if it bit him .. Professional policemen & women are very well trained in dealing with shock & emotional people .. its the bread & butter of their job .. any decent cop could have resolved that situation easily . Hell she waited like a good girl without even peeping .. she wanted to talk about it .. & he was all do what I tell you woman .. what an incompetent boob

what is your problem... he asked her to get out of the car then he asked again and again and again, patience for that kindof person runs out quick when you keep trying to coaxe them out of the car and they come back at you with "you cant use your radar gun on me when your driving". its a fucking order and she just kept running her mouth and disobeying him... so what if he fucking tased her, follow the fucking rules. she was in the wrong damnit, do you not get that?

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:44 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Yes, she was in the wrong. She is a dangerous criminal breaking traffic laws. Did you miss this? "Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials. These require that force should be used as a last resort and that officers must apply only the minimum amount of force necessary to obtain a lawful objective" Can you explain to me why she was such a threat? how about this ... taser used on 9 year old girl http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&story_id=052504a4_taser bet she deserved it too ... asus z170-A \|\| core i5-6600K \|\| geforce gtx 970 4gb \|\| 16gb ddr4 ram \|\| win10 \|\| 1080p led samsung 27"

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 03:06 Post subject:

nouseforaname wrote:

Yes, she was in the wrong. She is a dangerous criminal breaking traffic laws.

Don't matter, they are still laws, don't break 'em, not that hard a concept.

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 03:06 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

The cop taught she was hiding a ak-47 in the car . like if you cant handle a women , lol . This cop a faggot .

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 03:18 Post subject:

sTo0z wrote:

nouseforaname wrote:

Yes, she was in the wrong. She is a dangerous criminal breaking traffic laws.

Don't matter, they are still laws, don't break 'em, not that hard a concept.

Yes, I get that she broke the law. She should get whatever punishment is coming to her.

But the cop responded with way more force then he was allowed to respond with. She wasn't a threat. He over-reacted.

He should be disciplined. That police force could use some standards for when it is acceptable to tase someone.

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 03:35 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

There are many examples of American Police brutality that would add weight to some of the arguments being made. This is not one of them.

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 04:10 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

I disagree. I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of legislation to guide new acceptable force regulations for police. Do you really think Amnesty International would be wasting their time with this if tasers weren't being used inappropriately? asus z170-A \|\| core i5-6600K \|\| geforce gtx 970 4gb \|\| 16gb ddr4 ram \|\| win10 \|\| 1080p led samsung 27"

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 06:59 Post subject:

CobbMk2 wrote:

There are many examples of American Police brutality that would add weight to some of the arguments being made. This is not one of them.

Its a great example how cops may act like complete retarded faggot thought .

anyone beating a girl is a faggot in my book anyway .

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 17:12 Post subject:

sTo0z wrote:

ChinUp wrote:

Are you people utterly devoid of any feelings .. she was upset .. perhaps you have never had to deal with an adult that is in shock .. emotional .. ect ..

If she had followed the law like she's supposed to, she wouldn't have anything to be upset about would she?

Exactly.

And we dont know the rest of the circumstances do we. It was said that she took a swing at the other police officer when he went around the other side. Its it a police officers job to get punched, or worse get shot becasue you just assume she a soccer mom. Fuck that, my life is more important than some scumm than can even keep her car maintained, and to boot she was speeding through a residential area.

And who ever thinks this cop is a fagot or other choice words. You wouldnt last a day in his shoes, and if you did you probably would get shot in your first year for being so fucking nieve.

Its the world we live in, and if you dont realize that, you will always be the playing the poor me role. yawn. My car got stolen and i didnt have theft, oh cry. You know what world we live in, protect your shit. I got zapped becasue i was disrespectful to an officer of the law, i didnt cooperate, and i tried to hit another cop. Fucking cry. Its you fault.

If you have nothing to fear hide, ya know be a possitive member of society; you will never ever get into a situation like this. heck you would have proably never been pulled over.

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Posted: Fri, 7th Oct 2005 21:09 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Listen & listen good .. do not ever let the police think they can tell you what to do .. they are public servants afforded with the job of enforcing the law .. period .. you are not in a police state yet .. the police cannot lord around purveying their own private will on the public .. that is Nazi ego mania .. do not support that shit .. if you see it report it .. because it is ruining everything & undermining hundreds of years work to build a democratic society .. Man Tasered By Police In Salad Bar Disputel "Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost

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