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DXWarlock
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This is why people should be allowed to speak and everyone should filter information as they see fit.
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But there is a difference to me, on freedom of the right to speak your mind to those around you, and broadcasting it as an authority (even if imagined by those that hear based on your apparent credit as a broadcast voice).
For example: You have every right in the world to say 24/7 as many times as you want that you hate asian people and stereotype them constantly. You would be a bigoted dick, but you have a right to your opinion and to say it to whoever you want in person (as they have the ability to converse/disagree with you in a conversation).
But you have no inherent human right to be paid to broadcast that out to the masses in a one way conversation with you as the one doing the conversing. At that point, the masses you broadcast to have the say in what you are allowed to send out on the airwaves (so to speak) as they are paying for you to say it by the product they buy that funds your ability to.
Do you not feel there is a difference of freedom of opinion and speech, and the responsibility inherent when you get paid to broadcast to the masses?
He 100% has a right to say it, he can go around all he likes telling people personally his thoughts on things (as anyone else with that right could do)..he has 0% given human innate rights to get paid to say it to millions. There IS a difference I believe.
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Tue, 1st Feb 2022 21:06 Post subject: |
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The media has been getting paid for years to constantly present highs and lows that fuck with people's minds and lead to mass depression. Your logic will lead to a point where nobody can broadcast anything because it will cross someone's line.
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DXWarlock
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Yes..and they are just as much at fault as anyone else for doing it. You are arguing that these others are wrong for doing it, while arguing that this other person should also be able to do it wrong too..simply because someone else is. Instead of going NEITHER should.
Lowering your standards of what's acceptable to meet those you disagree with doing it is not a solution, it's a 'well they do it, so shall we'. You are not expecting better from them you have just resolved yourself to expect less from your own.
My standards is easy: ANYONE, if I like them or not: Those that pay your salary, pick what they pay money for you to do.
You can still hold that belief, and shout it in the streets all day regardless on your own time. But no ones held to having to pay you to say it using their time, and money and platform.
If they back you to do so, its out of choice of them. Not because of some right you have to them doing it. Them stopping supporting you is not censorship. You can say it all your want, just they won't pay for you to anymore. ONLY if they say you have to stop, and not allowed to anywhere..is it censorship. The day you go on the street saying it, or post it on your own hosted blog/website and they approach you and tell you we said stop...THEN it is.
I am in no way saying people cannot say what they want. Im saying if those that pay you to say it far and wide see it as unviable..what reason should they have to facilitate you to do so?
Your right to shout it in the street, does not extend to others obligation to put forth money so you have more ears to shout it at.
And your logic will [and has] lead to some of the worst dictators, mass disinformation, and viral spread of hate and bigotry by false equalicancy that it being broadcast must mean its more prevalent, and must have SOME truth, than it is: Look at 90% and US 'news' as you said. One person doing it to millions, is just as harmful as a team of people in the same building doing it to millions. (I actually think the first is worse..because that one person gets the underdog/down with the man and Big 'X', benefit of the doubt from the get go).
Like Alex Jones..WHAT he is doing I think is wrong. HOW he is doing is not. (He pays/other willingly pay for his platform to do so).
Neither logic is perfect or immutable. But one is clearly less harmful to those uneducated on the subject and ripe for sponging up whatever is given to them.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Feb 2022 08:15 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Yes..and they are just as much at fault as anyone else for doing it. You are arguing that these others are wrong for doing it, while arguing that this other person should also be able to do it wrong too..simply because someone else is. Instead of going NEITHER should.
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I'm arguing for them doing it because there is no way to make this right without violating freedom and creating dangerous precedents. People should be the one to choose.
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My standards is easy: ANYONE, if I like them or not: Those that pay your salary, pick what they pay money for you to do.
You can still hold that belief, and shout it in the streets all day regardless on your own time. But no ones held to having to pay you to say it using their time, and money and platform.
If they back you to do so, its out of choice of them. Not because of some right you have to them doing it. Them stopping supporting you is not censorship. You can say it all your want, just they won't pay for you to anymore. ONLY if they say you have to stop, and not allowed to anywhere..is it censorship. The day you go on the street saying it, or post it on your own hosted blog/website and they approach you and tell you we said stop...THEN it is.
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It's not a black and white matter. Unless you want a world where you'll hear only what the rich want you to hear. And in this day and age you don't need to lose financial support to lose your voice. It's quite amusing and sad that platforms like Twitter and Facebook respect the laws of Iran and Turkey but not the constitution of USA.
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So your saying 3rd parties have an obligation to pay for you to say what you want?
It would be like me going around handing out a flier that says "The pope can suck my dick" then outraged that those I gave it to refuse to pass them out to others. I have the right to hand them out myself all day long. No one I give it to asking them to share it for me is obligated to do so. I cannot complain "these people are stealing my voice, as they will not do the work of spreading what I have to say to others for me"
If I ran a website forum/social media...where is the line between I have rights of what I want on it. vs I lose all rights to what I created to its users? If it was 5 users do I still have rights of what I want on my site? 5000? What number of users does my rights to control what I made get removed?
An extreme example. But let's say I ran a free to use tech cafe. One of my customers keeps walking in and keeps loading all the laptops to loop white supremacy propaganda videos. Am I powerless to stop him since me removing him (its my store), violates his rights to use what I myself made, to spread it?
I feel you are confusing losing your voice, with losing your megaphone someone else lent you. Them taking away the megaphone they are paying for does not remove your voice. It just removes the 'easy' of using a pre-bought megaphone with someone else's money.
And that you have it backwards again. Instead of saying the rich need to stop being able to spread bullshit and should be held accountable. You are fighting to allow the 'little guy' to have the same bullshit firehose privilege with the same level of uncountability because 'the rich do it all the time". YES, and it should be fixed, not compensated for by leveling the playfield lower. We need to fix the problem, not make it so: All people can do the same problem..so now no disproportional problem.
It seems (I could be wrong) that you are saying SOMEONE is obligated to give each person the same level of exposure, that their expense, to match others. Do those paying the expense get a choice? Do they even get a choice if they are one that paying that expenditure?
I'm assuming you are speaking of the 1st amendment when you say they are not respecting the laws.
The 1st amendment only covers government stopping you from saying things:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Nothing in our laws states that others (other than govt) cannot stop supporting or funding you to spread your voice. Or that you are free from responsibility and repercussions based on what you say from those that promote/propagate it for you.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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These 3rd parties comply with the demands from other countries to stay in business there. However, they don't follow the US constitution by allowing everyone's right to public discourse (which these platforms are used for at this point in time).
The right to speak freely and be heard has been grasped by these corporations and I'm sure you realize the danger that comes with that. I don't have a solution for you, I merely state what I believe is an obvious problem that it's continuously dodged under the pretext of capitalism and whatnot.
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Social media is not public discourse, it's a private for profit business. And people using it that way and assuming what it is wrong, does not make it so.
its no more public discourse than this forum. Just because it has more users does not mean its a free and public service or gathering of unmoderatable discourse.
I am not 'pro capitalism' by saying private business but more just pro rights for all, not just 'the little man'. If it's one person with a webcam and a mic, or one person with a billion dollar web company. They have a right to say what that webcam, or website is used for equally.
You COULD try to convince the billionaire to start a website just for unmoderated public discourse. And if he does..great. But he has no moral obligation to because you asked. Just as if you asked me to with my $5000, I have none.
Social media is EASY way to have public discourse I agree. But not one created or bound by that regulation (or lack of) because people want it to be. Again at what point do I lose control of and say in my creation to its users. if I ran a soap store, and users wanted me to sell coats. At what point does it sell whatever the people say and I have no word in what it sells?
There is no way to fix that without stripping business owners of the rights of ownership of their property. Maybe that's the right answer to do that to fix this particular problem, but it will cause different other equally troubling and moral dilemmas.
Just as the right to speak freely you speak of.
I am 100% behind it and grasp it. BUT I can choose if you can inside my own home. You walk in calling my daughter a bitch whore. You can think that, you can say that..but I can tell you not in my house and make you leave. Me telling you to leave does not mean I dont grasp you have the right. its me exercising MY right of my property. Go do it in public, not on my private property. Everyone in the world can agree she actually IS one. But that does not mean I have to allow you to say it in what I own. I am not violate your right to a voice by doing so.
If people wanted to use my pool for a skate dip because they have nowhere else to skate and too much work they dont want to do to build their own. If enough skaters wanted it to be, do I have to drain it and lose control over what its used for other than in name of ownership?
A more 1 to 1 (ish) comparison: If X millionaire youtuber's audience demanded they start making muckbang food porn videos. Do they have to? The mass of his millions of users want his youtube video business to show what they want..does he have to stop making videogame content and start doing food porn? if he and his 20 man youtube crew has a say in what they do and don't show...why doesn't youtube itself?
or what if everyone in twitter wanted it to be turned into an elderly man gay porn link and short clip video site? Does twitter have to? If not because they can pick if they show that content or not...why does other content make it so they have no choice?
I agree it's not black and white. its ALL shades of grey..with no defined answer that fixes one thing, without making another equal problem to counter cancel out the good the fix did.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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It might not fit the definition. But if you have to be there for your political views to be heard and to matter, then it kinda is, either you like it or not.
This backwards evolution of our society is causing a lot of unforeseen problems and has given power to even more people that cannot be trusted with it.
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You dont HAVE to be there for it to be heard. It's just a 'one click' easy way for it to be heard.
I have joined in making changes to my local govt that had impact..and I dont even have a twitter, and go on facebook like once a month just to clear out my notifications..my last post on facebook was 5 months ago. And that was just to thank people that said happy birthday.
You can go out on the street telling people, hand out fliers, join open public govt meetings, petition govt officials, join/start local community groups with a cause, gather like minded people to start spreading the word.
But that all is a lot of work, and most people don't want to do that to actually MAKE change. They just want to type on a convenient keyboard and push a button to let people know they wish someone else would make change.
Social Media is the microwave dinner of social discourse. It's the quick and less useful way to do it with no fuss or muss on your part of making a full dinner. But food can be made without one. But so many people got use to 'open door, put in opinion, hit TV dinner button and wait for the ding'. That anything else seems like a LOT of work to do anymore. It's literally a sit in a comfy chair and post: This is what we all want..now someone else actually make it happen for us.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Yes, go back to live your normal live Maher you priviledged numbskull. Let the virus spread, let's create more mutants, let's infect the people that can not be vaccinated. Fuck children! Yeah, children are not immune to covid and long and post covid can also occur in them. Oh and fuck the elderly too, because even if you are vaccinated, you can still get it and die from it... As long as Maher himself is safe and can go out to dine in his 5 star restaurants without the immense and disgusting burden to wear a simple mask until he is seated.
And who cares about mutants in the wealthy nations? We can react quickly to changing viruses. Our vaccines can be adjusted quickly if necessary and are provided to everybody in a quick fashion. Poor countries can't do that? Fuck em too! Actually fuck everybody whose name doesn't start with B and end's with ill Maher.
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Can you stop overexaggerating for a second, you gonna give yourself a heart attack playing the white knight here. And while at it, maybe try to look past your bias a bit.
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@Nodrim
Not quite white knighting when people have been forcing 'back to normal' by just doing it (well not even 'back to normal' as many never left acting 'normal nothing to worry about' from the start), and we are now 2+ years in and back to where we was to start with with numbers.
It's not the people that DO stay home and take precautions that causing all the fuss now is it? Or at least not even remotely responsible for the bulk of our crisis.
My question always is this: If we are two years in, with a basketful of variants...who, ultimately is the bulk of the reason for that? To say "well everyone" is whitewashing and dodging the concept of WHICH of everyone is more responsible...by lumping those that are careful but still do spread it, with those that are not careful that spread it WAY more.
Of the two groups of people, those that tried to mitigate risk, and those that did not at all. I hope there is no way you can say its 50/50 on them getting them to where we are at. That there is no difference in the burden of current situations between them.
Granted people ARE tired of lockdown, and tired of rules, and vaccine passports, and news about it. BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD why do they get mad at govt, and pharma, and politicians, and businesses, and everyone BUT who they should lay the bulk of the blame at: Those of them, among us, that kept us in this by refusing to do all but the bare required minimum...if that (many didn't try at all to do their part).
If both my kids was painting a room, and one tried their best to stop getting paint on the floor. One did fairly well with some drops here and there, and the other got it all over the place...no way I could go "Damn you both, you are equally at fault for the huge mess we have to clean up" much less go "Damn the Paint Company for making such spillable paint." While the 3rd neighbor kid blames ME for making such damn tedious rules about where and when paint should be applied and its unreasonable to expect all 3 kids to follow the rules..
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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How are we back to where we started if the number of deaths has dropped considerably? Maher makes a good point about protecting those that need to be protected.
Or they could be mad at the politicians, media and pharma for pushing their own agendas. We've already seen how poorly the government has handled this. More and more studies show that we haven't prevented all that much anyway if at all. In some cases like having the kids not go to school which parents have left in the care of their grandparents has lead to negative outcomes.
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We've already seen how poorly the government has handled this. Because before that we saw how bad the pubic (you..and me) was at handling it when asked to do it ourselves.
If nothing else the govt is no worse at handling it after we failed, than we was failing to start with.
The govt didn't spread it around the world, and to every neighborhood on the planet..we did.
We as a collective whole of people that was warned, asked, begged, and pleaded with to stop flying all over the world for a few damn weeks and stop wandering around like toddlers bumping into each other with our dirty toddler mouths and hands..and we couldn't even do that.
We are to blame, pure and simple..
Granted politicians and pharma may be pushing their own agendas, BUT they would have none to push if we did not setup the wide net of lack of personal responsibility for them to catch us in. We pulled out the net, set it up, put our own favorite treat into it, and then wandered into it for them.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| PumpAction wrote: | Yes, go back to live your normal live Maher you priviledged numbskull. Let the virus spread, let's create more mutants, let's infect the people that can not be vaccinated. Fuck children! Yeah, children are not immune to covid and long and post covid can also occur in them. Oh and fuck the elderly too, because even if you are vaccinated, you can still get it and die from it... As long as Maher himself is safe and can go out to dine in his 5 star restaurants without the immense and disgusting burden to wear a simple mask until he is seated.
And who cares about mutants in the wealthy nations? We can react quickly to changing viruses. Our vaccines can be adjusted quickly if necessary and are provided to everybody in a quick fashion. Poor countries can't do that? Fuck em too! Actually fuck everybody whose name doesn't start with B and end's with ill Maher. |
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Viruses mutate all the time. Influenza goes through a bunch of mutations per year and a more notable outbreak every now and then.
This virus has reached its climax and now it's obviously going mild. But the fearmongering hasn't stopped, coming from those who benefited the most from the pandemic like the media and pharma while a lot of people over the world have lost their jobs and the economy is dwindling.
DXWarlock gives poorer countries as example, well, omicron didn't do all that much in Africa compared to delta and the wave has flattened quickly.
I like how you are all so dramatic and so focused on the "reality" of the situation. But when I presented you the information I recently found out about vaccines given my deteriorating health, none of you had anything to say about it.  So, maybe you should dial down on this righteousness, because we've all seen the actual reality by now.
I'm not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated if they want to. But banned opinions, concentration camps? (good job Australia!), all the fuckin' misinformation that we are now supposed to ignore, expiring passes despite having antibodies and so much more. I think there are plenty of red flags here.
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gOiNg MiLd meanwhile hospitals in Israel are going busy with all-time high hospitalization from MiLd infections. 
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The problem is that big share of the critically sick is vaccinated already. Yes, there are many unvaccinated retards, they are getting hospitalized in higher proportions to their size in the population, but still, many vaccinated are getting hospitalized and dying. But hey, they are old and sick, so fuck them, right? LeTs GeT tO nOrMaL
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All my buddies from NL are totally pissed at how the government handles this. They also say that you guys copied the way the northern countries handled this, but now you are reluctant to lift restrictions.
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It is Retardogen himself that insists of talking about COVID with every guest he has. So everything here is โonโ โtopicโ.
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