So basically, what you are saying is I was conned at buying a 680 GTX as a premium card. It wasn't a bad card in its time, still isn't - for games.
GF104 also has advantages over GF100, since they were newer. They had much better hardware acceleration support, something that was missing from 480 GTX.
But the reason I squint at the 290 is because it's a reminder of an era where AMD attempted to compete in the high end market, while still having a competitive price. Shitty drivers be damned.
Yeah, you pretty much were
And for gaming, the mid-size chips are usually better value, because Nvidia needs a lot of die-size for their GPGPU stuff and the mid-size quite simply don't have most of it. The GTX 460, 560, 680/770 all are fantastic cards, it's just that the 680/770 is misleading in terms of what it is in reality
As for the 290, as I said, it's a weird chip because it was a forced size increase. 20nm (with or without FINFETs, they call it "16nm" with FINFETs) will change things drastically; AMD and Nvidia moved to 28 nm almost 3 years, usually we would've had 20nm about 8 months ago
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BTW, using "defective" chips is a strategy everyone does. Intel does it with Xeon -> Extreme (but interestingly, not Haswell-E), AMD does it in their CPUs. I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing.
No, but with GPU manufacturers it's not intentional for the flagship product
Flagships are fully featured chips, the first step down is what defective are used for
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@sabin1981 Didn't say anything because I know who I'm talking to
If he wants 1000W, I'll just advise him on better choices
Fuck you asshole. I am not DV2.
Mission accomplished
(but no, I meant it as "Leo isn't dumb enough to blindly go for bigger is better...at least I hope not")
I meant it as "Leo isn't dumb enough to blindly go for bigger is better...at least I hope not"
Don't worry Paul, Leo won't judge us. He's personally confided me that stimulation as well as motivation are immensely more important than the size itself xD
In all seriousness, don't have any useful advices because I'm on the same (old) boat as you, but congrats for the future new hardware
Im thinking of finally doing a new build as well. My CPU is from 2010 and Im looking to go with Haswell also. Im going to upgrade just the main components (CPU, mobo, RAM). Im keeping my case and cooling components
Good luck with the build mate!
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Just a quick PSU recommendation: EVGA Supernova 850 G2. It is based on the Superflower Leadex Gold platform which is on par with Delta, Seasonic if not better. It is also considerably cheaper than other units of comparable quality plus it comes with 10 years warranty.
Just a quick PSU recommendation: EVGA Supernova 850 G2. It is based on the Superflower Leadex Gold platform which is on par with Delta, Seasonic if not better. It is also considerably cheaper than other units of comparable quality plus it comes with 10 years warranty.
That is a really good choice as well, but strangely not sold everywhere.
Most of the former one trick ponies have expanded into multiple areas; some of them quite successfully
Yup, just like when i heard that Corsair makes cases. They used to make RAM modules back in the day
i have corsair case/ram/psu and their customer support is phenomenal. i once had a problem with usb port on my new case, they sent replacement with fastest possible shipping option, no questions asked. i didn't even have to send bad part to them. and i live in a country where most international companies wouldn't even bother shipping to.
Fractal Design are also great with their replacement parts departement. I've had the front audio-ports die on me twice and they just shipped new ones without any issues. ^_^
Help me find a good DDR4 memory. Not sure if I want 16GB or 32GB, depends on the price, I guess. There are the Corsair LPX but they seem out of stock at Amazon.
I feel like it's been so long since I've seriously looked at hardware... My last serious build was in 2010! In the mean time, I have added more HDDs and a new GPU, but really, the build is 4 years old. Bought it with a scholarship grant I got in the last year of studying.
I guess this thread will be a work in progress for a long time (several months), until I find what I like, order it, and finally get all components. I will share my thoughts, and would love to hear people commenting and recommending.
So why I want a new PC... I feel like my CPU is holding me back in games. I think it's time to upgrade for the next long period. And since upgrading the CPU means a new system, I want to upgrade it all, finally moving to a water cool system to make it as silent as possible. My case is a mess right now, so that's an additional high priority for me.
At some point I thought replacing my current RAM sticks (3*2GB) to a more modern count, but my motherboard would
I've been liking the Mac Pro form factor. Several concerns I have; I am not sure I really need Xeon CPUs and ECC memory. I do work on the PC, but not so much to require these. Also dislike the Xeon's locked design, meaning little to none overclocking capability. Another concern is the dual workstation-grade AMD GPUs. I am not fan of AMD, workstation GPUs are not optimized for gaming and most importantly, due to the custom design of the form factor, upgrading the GPUs would be nigh to impossible.
So, a custom build it is. I am looking for as much as possible a future proof build. The new Haswell-E stuff looks interesting. A new chipset, DDR4, AVX2, 40 PCIe lanes, eight or six core...
Skylake looks interesting too, but it's far away. The quad core K versions are expected at the outside of 2015, while Skylake-E will probably arrive late 2016. And I do not feel like buying temporary hardware. If Skylake-E keeps the same socket (LGA 2011-3), I could see myself upgrading the CPU.
I am not sure between 5960X and 5930K. 5960X looks interesting, but also a little too expensive. Looking at Intel's history with the E variants, the midrange is very comparable to the previous generation's high-range. So perhaps a 5930K now, and a eight-core 6930K later might be a good move.
I am not really concerned with the likes of "2600k is still better for gaming" and pointing to benchmarks where the 5960X gets three less FPS score, in an obvious GPU-limited test. I do more on my PC than just play, and I would like the expanded multithreaded performance. These CPUs (either 5960X or 5930K), I believe, will give me enough headroom for upgrading the GPU without limiting it for some years ahead. And if Allah Christ is willing, and games start taking advantage of multithreaded performance, it would be a clear win for the E CPUs.
For memory, I guess it is still early? DDR4 seems expensive now and it seems there are no performance chips yet, but probably coming in the upcoming months.
Not sure about a motherboard yet. Don't like Asus, so either Gigabyte or EVGA.
Regarding a PSU, I am really not sure. Any recommendations? I've been out of the PSU game for many years, since the 800W Antec I had from a previous build (2006-2008) worked great on the current build. Well, it started making noise now, and will require replacement. Also, not sure 800W would be sufficient for an Haswell-E, a GPU and all the hard drives I have. Probably a 1000W.
For cooling, I guess the standard H80i or H100i will do, depending on which I can fit in the case.
Please share thoughts and opinions.
Thanks
Depending on the size of build you're going for, Asrock has been rising through the ranks lately. I've never used their beefy boards though, but I have used multiple ITX/MATX motherboard from them the last couple years and they're rock solid.
Gskill and Kingston both are making "performance" memory for DDR4, dunno if it's available to you out there though. I'm a huge fan of both and both have amazing support.
I love fractal so much. didnt had enough space for r3/r4 so got core 3000 and love it. It's just not the quietest case and it collect dust a lot beacuse of all vents
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I love fractal so much. didnt had enough space for r3/r4 so got core 3000 and love it. It's just not the quietest case and it collect dust a lot beacuse of all vents
A shame then, the R3 is quite good at noise reduction and keeps the dust out. Used to clean my pc out every month. Now I can wait 3 months in between (yes I'm a bit OCD on dust in my case ).
Fractal makes some really awesome cases. I dunno what your price range is but Lian Li is re-releasing older models that were really popular back in the day which are mid range cases...stupid expensive as usual for a case.
How big exactly do you want to go with a case? Mid-sized?
It's pretty much fully moddable with the only need of a screw driver. Everything inside uses a basic sized small screw to hold stuff together so you can take out what you don't need without having to ruin your case by drilling out rivets.
Size is amazing for the price. Tons of awesome airflow, tons of room for water cooling if you ever decide to go down that road.
I was going to build aswell X99 setup, but then i realized im not getting pretty much anything for gaming compared to my HTPC which i have now as desktop. Bought used 3770K (delidded which does 4,6Ghz on low volts and nice temps) along with 16GB DDR3 kit, saved shitloads of cash atleast :> Gonna wait for next Intel CPU´s, then i will upgrade for sure.
Leo you might wanna check out Fractal Arc Midi R2 aswell (very good airflow), have Mini version from it and its damn awesome. Have built many PC´s at work to the midi one, its design is nearly perfect, awesome watercooling options aswell (mini also is pretty much as good as midi, just smaller).
Help me find a good DDR4 memory. Not sure if I want 16GB or 32GB, depends on the price, I guess. There are the Corsair LPX but they seem out of stock at Amazon.
It's still early for DDR4, you really want to wait a couple of months for that. All the kits out there now are insanely expensive and offerings are quite slim to begin with.
And don't go overboard with it. You don't gain that much from faster RAM (unless you run on an iGPU ).
A 2800 should be enough, I guess. I don't think I need more than 16GB right now. 32GB would be much more future proof, but I can always get more or replace all the sticks later. The problem is, all the Corsairs are out of stock on Amazomg. Here in Israel they are too expensive, might as well get Dominator Extreme from Amazong, would still be cheaper. Any worldwide shipping hardware stores?
Leo you might wanna check out Fractal Arc Midi R2 aswell (very good airflow), have Mini version from it and its damn awesome. Have built many PC´s at work to the midi one, its design is nearly perfect, awesome watercooling options aswell (mini also is pretty much as good as midi, just smaller).
It's the airflow oriented "brother" of the Define series, but it's not quiet enough. The question is, does the R4 provide enough airflow to overclock a Haswell E with H105, and one or two 970/980/Titan ZOMG/AMD Neveragain.
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It wasn't a bad card in its time, still isn't - for games.
Didn't even know EVGA were in the PSU business?
My last serious build was in 2010! In the mean time, I have added more HDDs and a new GPU, but really, the build is 4 years old. Bought it with a scholarship grant I got in the last year of studying. 
