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BearishSun




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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 17:01    Post subject:
I'd start running or biking. Leg exercises burn a lot more calories because they're a much larger muscle group. Unless you are already pretty buff and have large pecks/biceps/abs pushups and situps don't burn much. But if you do stick with them I'd do at least 200 each.
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 17:04    Post subject:
No you should have a progression plan to give yourself a goal in what you want to achieve with those push-ups and sit-ups.

But you should also add some cardio if you want to burn calories.

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 17:10    Post subject:
I got some kind of lazy-stay-fit thing going on, where I go almost everyday for walks (I tend to avoid even public transportation and go on foot everywhere if possible).
The diet part is also important, I start the day with some bootylicious breakfast (Almond milk + nuts and nut oil, mixed with a banana and half an avocado, use a blender to mix it, shit is DELICIOUS and it's just perfect food for your body, also prevents you from getting hungry for a while, while keeping you energized Smile )

I have a light build, and should start doing some pushups and the like, started it a few years ago, and with some home-gym stuff (using your own weight as, well, weight, worked quite fine at the time).

Keeps yourself active, even for a bit, everyday, and do as I do, which is drink only water, and stay away from every carb-rich sodas and such crap. Limiting/nullifying your refined sugar intake is also important, and just makes you feel a lot better.

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 17:23    Post subject:
lol WHAT? 20-30? that's like 5 minutes of working out. how is that anything?
are those 20 situps of you trying to get up in the morning, and push ups is when you inevitably give up and roll of the bed and try to get up off the ground? Laughing

you gotta push yourself. if you can only do 20 a day, try for 10 more. if you get that 10 more, try another 10. until you can't do anymore. same with sit ups. 20 is literally nothing, unless they're slow... as in each sit up is 20 seconds... those burn tho...given that you're proud with 20 each... im guessing you're going as fast as you can to get on with your day... and if that's the case, you've done nothing.

trx, daily routine, p90x for that quick solution, eat whatever the fuck you want just know your limits. eat less. duh. drink whatever the fuck you want, just know your limits, drink less, duh.
bike, jog, etc etc etc.

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 17:42    Post subject:
But that's hard work.. Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 17:54    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
But you should also add some cardio if you want to burn calories.


It irks me quite a bit when people only mention Cardio is to burn calories... even more so when they emphasis on lifting weights when talking of fitness.

Cardio does a whole lot more than just burn calories, but I'm not surprised the majority sees it only as that since most gyms are so fricking amateuristic they never use cardio zones and treat cardio as a necessary evil to lose weight.

In the end most of those gym goers have explosive power and a very short fuse. Seen enough of those types when I did kickboxing... it's quite sad and is so not the definition of being fit.



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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 18:04    Post subject:
Well then give him some alternatives. I hate people who know everything and criticize others without giving advice. He wants to burn calories, most commonly that is achieved by adding cardio to your routine. He could go for Box training aswell. I dont know. But cardio seems like the obvious way and it has worked for thousands of people.

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 18:08    Post subject:
I did, first page and then I saw more and more strength training creeping in
Guess you took it personally while I just highlighted the problem with peoples idea on cardio in general.

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 18:27    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
I did, first page and then I saw more and more strength training creeping in
Guess you took it personally while I just highlighted the problem with peoples idea on cardio in general.


You are quoting me, so obviously I took it personally. Smile


You see, that first post of yours was kind of too much of a wall of text for me to read.

Giving someone (streagle) who does 20 push-ups and 20 sit-ups a day to loose Kilos the advice of doing some cardio to burn a few calories more does not seem like such a bad idea either.

Of course doing interval training is much better since you can chose ideal heart-rate zones etc. But yeah, 20 sit-ups and 20 push-ups a day here, so have to start somewhere.


Also, I dont see what the problem with weight-lifting is. I did it to get some kind of shape, since I had no kind of shape before, not to become Hulk. Of course weight-lifting is strenght-training not endurance. But so much is known. Still it helped me feel alot better. Having some strenght in everyday life isnt such a bad thing either. Smile


Everyone is going to have his own philosophy about staying fit.

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 18:33    Post subject:
Also, one last protip: When you tend to sit around a lot (I do), try to put yourself in some "stress" position, usually to work on your abs, and keep it for some time, like keeping your legs up, or leaning back a bit.
You'll get a bit of a workout while being a huge nerd. Win-win

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 18:48    Post subject:
I don't. I am a fatty hedonist Mobster with a Fag
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 19:08    Post subject:
If done the right way, strength training can serve as a decent cardio workout as well. There are various ways you can do it depending on what your focus is ("fitness" or getting some bulky muscles), but it's harder to get the same effect on your cardiovascular system as with what people normally call "cardio" training, obviously.
For myself I consider it a good complementary training session to break the routine and get the rest of your body a workout as well.

Ideally you would want to do both, but one needs to be clear with what the goal is and put more focus on the workout that is most effective at getting there.

Cardio zones can also be a bit of a problem, since there is a lot of talk about those so called "fat burning zones". If I wanted to stay in those zones I literally wouldn't even break a sweat during my workouts and I don't think it's very effective.
The whole aerobic vs anaerobic is a debate on its own as well, along with HIIT vs "classic" long runs.
Personally, I try to keep it varied. I primarily go with HIIT during my workout, but if I am not feeling it I will just "cruise" at some 75-80% of HR Max (a guesstimate) for 45-60 minutes Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 20:44    Post subject:
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From watching it you don't get fit Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 20:45    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
1300 calories / day
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lol. wtf.

Had you success with that kind of diet before?
If not: you probably will get fat very fast as soon as you eat normally again. Use some calories calculator and subtract about 10% of it. That still is health and you will lose weight more natural, also slower

At least i can't live with so few calories a day. I notice it at the more exhausting exercises i do: When i didn't eat enough before i will feel dizzy or even feel like puking


I've never been on a diet before. I was like 150 lbs 10 years ago when I was 25 so this weight gain has been gradual. And I can't go back to my old eating habits anyways, they were really poor.

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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 20:55    Post subject:
I used a diet and lost 13kg in 3 month. Still after 7 years i rarly got any weight extra. I stopped at 74 and now i am at 76-77

Use google and find hospital diet / ziekenhuis dieet.

Edit: Link -> http://vatijn.hubpages.com/hub/The-hospital-diet
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 23:32    Post subject:
This might be useful to some of you guys, I'm going to do some of the workouts when I'm away from home (where I have a rack, bench weights etc).

http://darebee.com/
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th Mar 2015 23:44    Post subject:
mug2k wrote:
This might be useful to some of you guys, I'm going to do some of the workouts when I'm away from home (where I have a rack, bench weights etc).

http://darebee.com/


Hey, that looks like a nice site, providing some variation every week too. Seems a bit mentally healthier than P90X...
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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Mar 2015 00:14    Post subject:
tennis almost daily, 1-2 hour, eating without bread, no SUGAR drinks or anything with sugar, and one kilo down per week guaranteed!

Why walk, when you can ride.
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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Mar 2015 00:25    Post subject:
Must have money to tennis everyday

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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Mar 2015 00:29    Post subject:
WaldoJ wrote:
Must have money to tennis everyday


we have one free tennis court and 3 paying tennis courts, it's 4 euros per hour.
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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Mar 2015 00:47    Post subject:
keewee23 wrote:
WaldoJ wrote:
Must have money to tennis everyday


we have one free tennis court and 3 paying tennis courts, it's 4 euros per hour.

Not bad! I'd like to play everyday too, but it's 7€ per person here and there are no discounts whatsoever. Sad
Things were different years ago when I belonged to the local team, we could basically train whenever we wanted to for the various tournaments and no one would whine. Very Happy It's definitely not doable now, because I have the stamina of an anesthetized sloth xD (same reason why I abandoned the football experience, between injures and various annoyances lately I could barely last one half in the sunday league).
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PostPosted: Tue, 31st Mar 2015 04:05    Post subject:
keewee23 wrote:
tennis almost daily, 1-2 hour, eating without bread, no SUGAR drinks or anything with sugar, and one kilo down per week guaranteed!


this. what I'm finding is it is more about consistency than anything else...just keep up with it and try your best not to cheat (I find red wine rather than beer helps me consume less alcohol). also even if you can't play tennis everyday it's not that hard to get in 10,000 steps (although obviously MVPA is better for your cardiac health).

my weight loss has been fairly consistent...
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and yeah I worry about gaining it back, but having high blood pressure and chronic heart burn at 35 with a young child is pretty good motivation to keep it up Smile a low does of meds (started a year ago) plus diet and exercise I just started 2 1/2 months ago for the BP is keeping it in check and I haven't taken a Nexium in 2 months (before taking everyday for almost 5 years)! My moobs are gone, and I'm not out of breath taking the stairs up a floor or two at work.

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Oooo it will be so cool to create a graph out of it and analyse that Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Apr 2015 03:07    Post subject:
I have Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Disorder and a fucked up left arm, which has about a 5th of the strength of my right...

I'm about 20 stone, which is obviously too big, I'm keeping my eating down to a lower level, but I simply cannot think of a way that would help me to lose the pounds without causing immense pain (walking, standing even, is impossible for any useful length of time), and leaving the house is impossible because of the above 'issues'.

Apart from being melted into glue, does anyone have any other suggestions? And swimming isn't possible either as I can't actually get to a pool - plus I have a habit of sinking... Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Apr 2015 03:41    Post subject:
A 'costly' suggestion (tho you can get something decent between 200/500€): Recumbent excercise Bike maybe. Plus side of buying one is that you can dictate your own time and not have to go out on bad days.

But... with your condition it is better to ask your physician and work out a plan with him/her and go over options.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Apr 2015 03:47    Post subject:
Kaltern wrote:
I have Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Disorder and a fucked up left arm, which has about a 5th of the strength of my right...

I'm about 20 stone, which is obviously too big, I'm keeping my eating down to a lower level, but I simply cannot think of a way that would help me to lose the pounds without causing immense pain (walking, standing even, is impossible for any useful length of time), and leaving the house is impossible because of the above 'issues'.

Apart from being melted into glue, does anyone have any other suggestions? And swimming isn't possible either as I can't actually get to a pool - plus I have a habit of sinking... Laughing

Damn it, this sucks mate. Sad I'm not an expert or anything like that, but you have to start somewhere, and I think that stretching plus low-impact aerobics (if done progressively of course) for example can help you a lot, and reduce the stiffness of your joints.

Then you can upgrade to normal walking and that would be already a great step, so you can reach a pool and start swimming Very Happy, because that would probably the best way to lose some weight and reinforce muscles while minimizing the pain. In the worst case scenario, you can build your own duck pond and swim in it like a boss!

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Indeed it's better if you consult a proper physician like Morphi said, this is a delicate issue, and it's easy to do more harm than good. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Apr 2015 04:16    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
A 'costly' suggestion (tho you can get something decent between 200/500€): Recumbent excercise Bike maybe. Plus side of buying one is that you can dictate your own time and not have to go out on bad days.


You know, I never even knew that was a thing Laughing

I will definitely take a look at that!

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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Apr 2015 15:43    Post subject:
Kaltern wrote:
I have Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Disorder and a fucked up left arm, which has about a 5th of the strength of my right...

I'm about 20 stone, which is obviously too big, I'm keeping my eating down to a lower level, but I simply cannot think of a way that would help me to lose the pounds without causing immense pain (walking, standing even, is impossible for any useful length of time), and leaving the house is impossible because of the above 'issues'.

Apart from being melted into glue, does anyone have any other suggestions? And swimming isn't possible either as I can't actually get to a pool - plus I have a habit of sinking... Laughing


Losing weight is about 70% of diet, you can shred a lot of weight even while living a sedentary life. Aim for 2000 calories per day, spread over 3 meals. I recommend trying out LCHF, but of course consult a doctor first.
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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Apr 2015 15:48    Post subject:
But I like food!

No you are absolutely right, I have been making a conscious effort to reduce my calorie intake, but I think for those who don't understand how difficult that is, it's a lot harder than you might think.

I do not stuff myself with crisps, chocolate and sodas, I limit my food to just 2 meals a day, but as I have huge issues with sleeping at night, I end up snacking on little bits here and there.

Anyway, this isn't all about me, so I thank you guys for your help, and return you to your regular broadcast Smile

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PostPosted: Wed, 1st Apr 2015 16:05    Post subject:
Eating habits ... you can improve on so many levels, but it's all soo yummy and working in shifts makes it nearly impossible to make a plan work (like don't eat after 20:00). If I return from work I'm hungry, doesn't matter if it's 6 in the morning or late in the evening. I just try not to eat heavy meals then.

@Kaltern
just don't eat snacks then. eat something else - an apple, banana or whatever that sounds better than chocolate or something with a huge load of salt. Same with drinks, just drink water to kill thirst. We have to be honest here, we often eat because we are bored, when watching tv or browsing the web ... and it's hard to resist Razz
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