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Morphineus
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 14:54 Post subject: |
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Dunno but protests and to some point riots are common there
It's the place to whine on the EU, Belgian federal state, Nato,... so lot's of things to bitch about. 
Hell even whining on the Walloon or Flanders governement ends up in Brussels most of the time xD
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TSR69
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2016 15:24 Post subject: |
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http://www.encyclopedia.com/article-1G2-3460500080/population-europe-demographic-transition.html
European countries were just fine on lower population, noone is becoming extinct, dude, just the population dropping over several decades.
I think mass immigration is throwing oil to the first, you think it's the solution. Both opinions are arguably valid, the difference is what will the future Europe be in each of these two paths? Who knows, I'd rather have politicians who avoid racial strife, religious differences, the rise of the farright and the combative liberals, nonexistant border control, terrorism and criminality.
I don't see the population being "maintained" with immigration, I see it absolutely ballooning, in a desperate attempt to keep the markets growing. Don't tell me you think this will end well.
Anyway, I don't want to turn this into an immigration discussion, it gets tiring. Besides, like you said "whether I like it or not", this will continue, so ... whatever.
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Invasor
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 15:32 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 15:53 Post subject: |
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Invasor
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 18:06 Post subject: |
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Well, ok I didn't watch the video but this compulsion to conflate every type of immigration is very annoying.
An irishman moving to London is not the same as an afghan moving to London. Half a million irishmen moving to the UK is not the same as half a million people from the ME and Africa moving to the UK.
If we can't agree on these inconvenient truths then all discussions on the matter of immigration devolve into internet arguments and omg nazism is on the rise.
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Invasor
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 18:29 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | An irishman moving to London is not the same as an afghan moving to London. |
Sure it's not the same, but they are both immigrants.
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Invasor
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 19:28 Post subject: |
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He emmigrated to the UK for work. Why is he entitled to a job in the uk and someone from morocco isn't?
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 20:18 Post subject: |
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| Invasor wrote: | | He emmigrated to the UK for work. Why is he entitled to a job in the uk and someone from morocco isn't? |
Good, good, now we can pinpoint the differences in our opinions. You believe that a moroccan is just as much entitled to live legally and get a job in London as an irishman is.
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Invasor
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 20:23 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | Invasor wrote: | | He emmigrated to the UK for work. Why is he entitled to a job in the uk and someone from morocco isn't? |
Good, good, now we can pinpoint the differences in our opinions. You believe that a moroccan is just as much entitled to live legally and get a job in London as an irishman is. |
We're not discussing legality, are we?
But yes, if he's legally living there, why is it any different?
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 20:53 Post subject: |
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How many people have got in illegally and then applied for asylum and gotten it? I mean, how many people entered illegally and *then* became legal residents?
Anyway, let's just say he doesn't want more people being let in to live legally in London. He wants out of the EU, is he entitled to that opinion? Or is he a retard for not accepting a couple of millions more?
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Invasor
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 23:33 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | How many people have got in illegally and then applied for asylum and gotten it? I mean, how many people entered illegally and *then* became legal residents?
Anyway, let's just say he doesn't want more people being let in to live legally in London. He wants out of the EU, is he entitled to that opinion? Or is he a retard for not accepting a couple of millions more? |
I don't know, are we discussing numbers now? At first your point was this:
| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | Well, ok I didn't watch the video but this compulsion to conflate every type of immigration is very annoying.
An irishman moving to London is not the same as an afghan moving to London. Half a million irishmen moving to the UK is not the same as half a million people from the ME and Africa moving to the UK.
If we can't agree on these inconvenient truths then all discussions on the matter of immigration devolve into internet arguments and omg nazism is on the rise. |
Then you moved to the legality issue, now you want to talk about numbers. Is it possible for you to answer one thing at a time?
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2016 23:49 Post subject: |
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What, we were discussing. If someone is living legally somewhere, he is entitled to the same job opportunities. The thing is that he doesn't want more immigrants getting the right to live legally there.
We made our points with regards to the differences in immigration already.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st May 2016 12:19 Post subject: |
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Things are cheaper in different areas of the UK, I live in a small town and when I travel arount the UK I see the difference in price.
I like bum.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2016 16:41 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2016 20:12 Post subject: |
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already voted, think quiet a few people will have since the postal votes are arriving through peoples letter boxes.
The night is dark and the road is long. Come on dead men, return to your homes.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2016 20:22 Post subject: |
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| dangerouseddy wrote: | | already voted, think quiet a few people will have since the postal votes are arriving through peoples letter boxes. |
What did you vote, Eddy?
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Morphineus
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2016 20:30 Post subject: |
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I actually thought you guys were wrapping it up before June... slowpokes!
Almost like they thought they could change peoples vote with argumentation. Most of it is decided by feels anyway.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2016 22:24 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | dangerouseddy wrote: | | already voted, think quiet a few people will have since the postal votes are arriving through peoples letter boxes. |
What did you vote, Eddy? |
id rather not say but I'm am tired of the arguments from both sides.
the in :- financial Armageddon and ww3 if we leave
the out :- overrun by immigrants and worshiping Allah by next Thursday if we stay
The night is dark and the road is long. Come on dead men, return to your homes.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2016 22:56 Post subject: |
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| dangerouseddy wrote: | | VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | dangerouseddy wrote: | | already voted, think quiet a few people will have since the postal votes are arriving through peoples letter boxes. |
What did you vote, Eddy? |
id rather not say but I'm am tired of the arguments from both sides.
the in :- financial Armageddon and ww3 if we leave
the out :- overrun by immigrants and worshiping Allah by next Thursday if we stay |
That about sums it up, yes  |
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jun 2016 23:18 Post subject: |
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I'll be voting to remain
And to add, I'm fucking bored of gearing both sides go at it. The politicians will tell you anything to get you to vote for the side which backs their personal cause the most.
If you're looking to the polititcans for facts, more fool you.
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