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tonizito
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Do you actually hate them or do they just make you uncomfortable? The latter I'd kinda understand, the former... well, maybe you have some issues there that you might want to look into.
Or not, it's always one's decision ofc 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| tonizito wrote: | Do you actually hate them or do they just make you uncomfortable? The latter I'd kinda understand, the former... well, maybe you have some issues there that you might want to look into.
Or not, it's always one's decision ofc |
I do find them disgusting, but i wouldn't go as far as to say i hate them. If a friend decided to become one then i certainly wouldn't hate him, and would rather support him. It would certainly be really uncomfortable, but that's none of my business as it's not my place to dictate others lives.
| AmpegV4 wrote: | | Stormwolf wrote: | Well, i certainly hope i don't come off as extreme as to say i hate people who take tattoo's, fix ugly parts of their appearance etc  Well, it's my own fault for not thinking through my words of choice, but well, even i'm not that bad |
Just stop man  |
Why don't you just say what you want to say? Posts like that just makes you look like you don't really know.
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Nalo
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LeoNatan
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LeoNatan
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Something that is often lumped as "hate" by the PC police is lack of sexual attraction. If you listen to twatter, anyone who isn't attracted to a male to female, they are obviously nazi transphobic toxic assholes. I don't think that's true. As I said previously, hormones and genital change does not remove the manly face and body lines, which often is what is causing the lack of sexual attraction. Evolution has though us to look for specific traits in a woman, and some stuff has been cemented by culture.
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Nalo
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couleur
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I cant say that I dont feel a little uncomfortable around trans people. I cant exactly point out why.
I had a trans guy->girl in a class of adult students last year. Sometimes I would call "him" and sometimes "her" according, to what he/her looked more like that day. Since he/she seemed more like a man but sometimes very effeminate make up. (Not over the top though)
Not very PC, I guess, since I didnt pay special attention and just called it as I interpreted it. The more I got to know the class though, I saw how unimportant the distinction really was for him. When you discuss the subjects, the person becomes unimportant.
What I remember most about the guy though, is that he made an enormous effort in two years time to pass his exams and get a proper diploma. (This is a school for adults who broke with school for whatever reasons and want back into the system) So there is that.
My point is: In everyday life, these subjects become more and more unimportant. People are getting used to being around trans or gay people and what counts is performance and proper social interaction and not apperance.
But on the internet people seem to be stuck in american bubbles and overblown useless discussions on sochuul merdia. The social media really blow these topics out of proportion for clicks and bait. Which is I why I just ignore that shit. Its mostly US based and I am very tired with it.
The forum here is kind of an inbetween. When I'm with my friends we do very Un-PC comments all the time, but we know its 2nd degree. The forum is a bit like that. But we are also a public place. So there is this fine line, thats not always easy to see, and I guess is different for everyone.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Something that is often lumped as "hate" by the PC police is lack of sexual attraction. If you listen to twatter, anyone who isn't attracted to a male to female, they are obviously nazi transphobic toxic assholes. I don't think that's true. As I said previously, hormones and genital change does not remove the manly face and body lines, which often is what is causing the lack of sexual attraction. Evolution has though us to look for specific traits in a woman, and some stuff has been cemented by culture. |
You can't dictate what makes your boner go wild. You wanna call my boner racist or transphobic? Go ahead. I already know he is a dick  Regarding pax's video: I think ContraPoint puts it very well there.
Sexuality is very much a spectrum. I worked in a video store for some years and we also had porn dvd rental and there were plenty of men that rented straight stuff. But also a lot of people that rented the bi stuff, the gay stuff or trans porn.
I too was very opinionated towards people that enjoyed that kind of stuff as I am simply not interested in people of the same sex at all, so it seemed to uneducated me as "unnatural" for a lot of years. Heck, even as recently as some months ago I didn't feel 100% comfortable watching contra points videos, simply because I had no contact with trans people or their online content at all. Now I watch her content and whole heartedly laugh or think.
Also recently watched a video with Matt Dillahunty where he was talking about his upbringing and how he went "eeuugh" when he saw men kissing in film, but years later when his gay friends got married and he saw them kiss he went "aww". You don't need to feel the sexual attraction yourself to be compassionate and understanding. And if you feel the sexual attraction that you perceive to be "unnatural" you should maybe reevaluate what you consider "natural". |
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LeoNatan
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| couleur wrote: | I cant say that I dont feel a little uncomfortable around trans people. I cant exactly point out why.
I had a trans guy->girl in a class of adult students last year. Sometimes I would call "him" and sometimes "her" according, to what he/her looked more like that day. Since he/she seemed more like a man but sometimes very effeminate make up. (Not over the top though)
Not very PC, I guess, since I didnt pay special attention and just called it as I interpreted it. The more I got to know the class though, I saw how unimportant the distinction really was for him. When you discuss the subjects, the person becomes unimportant.
What I remember most about the guy though, is that he made an enormous effort in two years time to pass his exams and get a proper diploma. (This is a school for adults who broke with school for whatever reasons and want back into the system) So there is that.
My point is: In everyday life, these subjects become more and more unimportant. People are getting used to being around trans or gay people and what counts is performance and proper social interaction and not apperance.
But on the internet people seem to be stuck in american bubbles and overblown useless discussions on sochuul merdia. The social media really blow these topics out of proportion for clicks and bait. Which is I why I just ignore that shit. Its mostly US based and I am very tired with it.
The forum here is kind of an inbetween. When I'm with my friends we do very Un-PC comments all the time, but we know its 2nd degree. The forum is a bit like that. But we are also a public place. So there is this fine line, thats not always easy to see, and I guess is different for everyone. |
I don't think it's just the internet. I think it's also USA vs Europe (and others), and it's not even all of USA. I think all this PC nonsense is coming mostly from specific regions of USA. Or it could be that this is what I am mostly exposed to? Is this happening in Europe too?
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LeoNatan
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| PumpAction wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | Something that is often lumped as "hate" by the PC police is lack of sexual attraction. If you listen to twatter, anyone who isn't attracted to a male to female, they are obviously nazi transphobic toxic assholes. I don't think that's true. As I said previously, hormones and genital change does not remove the manly face and body lines, which often is what is causing the lack of sexual attraction. Evolution has though us to look for specific traits in a woman, and some stuff has been cemented by culture. |
You can't dictate what makes your boner go wild. You wanna call my boner racist or transphobic? Go ahead. I already know he is a dick Regarding pax's video: I think ContraPoint puts it very well there.
Sexuality is very much a spectrum. I worked in a video store for some years and we also had porn dvd rental and there were plenty of men that rented straight stuff. But also a lot of people that rented the bi stuff, the gay stuff or trans porn.
I too was very opinionated towards people that enjoyed that kind of stuff as I am simply not interested in people of the same sex at all, so it seemed to uneducated me as "unnatural" for a lot of years. Heck, even as recently as some months ago I didn't feel 100% comfortable watching contra points videos, simply because I had no contact with trans people or their online content at all. Now I watch her content and whole heartedly laugh or think.
Also recently watched a video with Matt Dillahunty where he was talking about his upbringing and how he went "eeuugh" when he saw men kissing in film, but years later when his gay friends got married and he saw them kiss he went "aww". You don't need to feel the sexual attraction yourself to be compassionate and understanding. And if you feel the sexual attraction that you perceive to be "unnatural" you should maybe reevaluate what you consider "natural". |
Never understood why people get offended by dicks or gay kiss/sex. If you are not attracted, that's fine ("you toxic cis homophobe!" ), but you have a dick too. Are you also offended when you shower? Never understood why "shock sites" were mostly naked men doing something, and it was "ewwwwwwwwwwww". I mean NSFW is NSFW, so I wouldn't want to be caught watching anyone naked when I am in a social situation that doesn't call for it, but such a case, a naked women suddenly popping up would be "shocking" too, as I'd have to scramble to close it quickly.
By "you", I mean people in general, not someone specific.
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Nalo
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couleur
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Why did they cover up rape gangs? edit: NVM. I googled it up. Disgusting story.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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LeoNatan
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couleur
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That depends if it is systemically related to islamic culture or not.
For example: The child abuse scandal in the catholic church is systemic. Sexual repression etc.
Is that also true here? Are the numbers of perpetrators high enough to be representative of the whole community?
You find child abuse cases in many closed communites like Jehovas Wittnesses f.e. So I dont know if its the belief system that somehow triggers the child abuse or if its the power structures that attract such dranged individuals.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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Nalo
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LeoNatan
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This has happened elsewhere in Europe too (Sweden, Germany, Bulgaria). I didn't connect the two discussions, but I agree, it's the same thing.
In Bulgaria, which took relatively small number of migrants from Syria, there was a wave of crime as a result of the migrants and the media attempted to cover this, but it spilled because people were angry. If anything, these cover ups create the reverse reaction from people, making them hate everyone rather than just the criminals.
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