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LeoNatan
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Of course. Dude with a cunt is still a dude, just like a chick with a dick is still a chick 
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1 and 2 are still amazing.
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JackQ
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SJWism and political correctness is ruining US.
I don't care what SHE is doing with her personal body but don't shove down my throat what personally consider her when it comes to her gender.
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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DXWarlock
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| JackQ wrote: |
I don't care what SHE is doing with her personal body but don't shove down my throat what personally consider her when it comes to her gender. |
I'm in the same boat. I'm all for equal rights for everyone on the planet...just makes sense. Be gay/queer/bi/trans/uni/identify as a circus clown, good for you!
But announcing to the world a personal decision you came to. Who cares beyond people you personally know?
Yea, your unique, just like all the rest of us. Quite trying so hard to point out how much more unique and different you are to everyone else, then being shocked and offended when some people have the nerve point out you are different. To me if they want to stop being singled out, stop singling themselves out...Just 'be'.
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Nalo
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tonizito
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| Nalo wrote: | I don't put trans into the same category as gay, lesbian, bi.. Gender disphoria is one thing but the decision must be decided in childhood otherwise the transition becomes impossible. That's why the trans movement are pushing puberty blockers in order to delay the onset of puberty. You have so called 'charities' like mermaid 'helping gender confused' children. This is insidious, child abuse.
This is a mental sickness but it's not politically correct to say so. Instead we watch as people mutilate their bodies towards an impossible ideal. |
Nailed it.
It seems to be a very dangerous slippery slope allowing something with as much of an impact as puberty to be messed with just because the parents or a prepubescent child "just know" that they're really not a boy/girl.
The normalization of that shit opens up extremely scary possibilities, namely the possible normalization of child porn ("hey, she said she loves me so what if she's 8yo? It's her decision, bigot!") 
Oh and I can't possibly imagine the "fun" that some of those transitioned kids will be having in 10 - 20 years 
Which will likely be blamed on "society" by the parents...
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Ankh
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What ever makes her happy - but she is still a female.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Wed, 2nd Dec 2020 11:50 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | I don't put trans into the same category as gay, lesbian, bi.. Gender disphoria is one thing but the decision must be decided in childhood otherwise the transition becomes impossible. That's why the trans movement are pushing puberty blockers in order to delay the onset of puberty. You have so called 'charities' like mermaid 'helping gender confused' children. This is insidious, child abuse.
This is a mental sickness but it's not politically correct to say so. Instead we watch as people mutilate their bodies towards an impossible ideal. |
Why do you classify transgenderism as a mental illness but not homosexual feelings?
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Nalo
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Y'all need some contrapoints in your life. Also of course he'd use the platform he has to encourage people to be themselves and who might be afraid of social repercussions as we can clearly see how people react to another peoples decision regarding their own body in this very thread. So Elliot came out as trans. OK. His choice. There is nothing negative in the whole statement.
| PickupArtist wrote: | | and i need to know this why? |
If it doesn't interest you, then why do you feel the need to respond? Were you adressed directly?
| tonizito wrote: | | It's been a rough year for hollywood's attention whor- erm, actors but this is something else |
Do you really think this is just an stunt to get attention?
| Nalo wrote: | | What a waste. |
Just because you fapped to ellie in last of us 1 doesn't mean you can't continue to do so. you sick fuck!
| PickupArtist wrote: | whats wrong with just saying shes lesbian and shes the alpha in the relationship  semi serious question |
Maybe she is bottom? Who the fuck cares what two adults to to each other man...
| tonizito wrote: | "Excuse me, it's Sir!  " |
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| The_Zeel wrote: | Just a thought...
If a female porn star becomes trans and changes her pronouns, do all the male pornstars she worked with before automatically fall into gay porn section? |
She announced it afterwards so... why would they suddenly be gay afterwards?
| LeoNatan wrote: | | Of course. Dude with a cunt is still a dude, just like a chick with a dick is still a chick |
So.. if a guy transitions into a chick and gets rid of the dick, you'd bang her?
| JackQ wrote: | SJWism and political correctness is ruining US.
I don't care what SHE is doing with her personal body but don't shove down my throat what personally consider her when it comes to her gender. |
Is she shoving it down your throat though? Isn't it more like society enforces their gendernorms and tells people over and over that they are not normal until they have a 40% attempted suicide rate in that community? Let 'em be man.
| tonizito wrote: | | The normalization of that shit opens up extremely scary possibilities, namely the possible normalization of child porn ("hey, she said she loves me so what if she's 8yo? It's her decision, bigot!") |
I don't get it. What do you want to say here? Accepting trans people is opening acceptance to child fucking? Only adult people can give consent. Or is this regarding the hormone therapy for kids stuff?
I mean everybody seems to agree that they don't care, but then go on how he is "wrong"
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Gender dysphoria is real and people suffering from it benefit from the right, early treatment. But it is pretty rare actually.
And currently many more people are transitioning than there should exist people with genuine gender dysphoria.
This is becoming a trend or something, they do it for likes, attention or they want to feel special. And in some cases the parents seem to have an agenda even.
These are the ones that are going to regret it later.
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Il_Padrino
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Cool, good for him. As with every other situation like this, I hope him being open about it helps other trans people feel a little bit better about themselves.
The Hump got triggered as usual by the announcement being SHOVED DOWN THEIR THROATS on his Instagram page
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And currently many more people are transitioning than there should exist people with genuine gender dysphoria. |
People keep saying this, but every study I've encountered on this issue seems to indicate there are very few (0.5-3%) people who regret transitioning.
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This is becoming a trend or something, they do it for likes, attention or they want to feel special. And in some cases the parents seem to have an agenda even.
These are the ones that are going to regret it later.
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Again, what makes you think this is widespread enough to qualify as a "trend"? As for parents with an agenda, I'm sure it's not as easy (legally and medically speaking) as a crazy mom walking into a clinic and saying "cut off my son's dick and put a wig on him". It's a multi-year process of diagnosing dysphoria, puberty blockers and hormones, with irreversible surgery occurring long after the first visit to the doctor. Of course there will be some cases of malpractice, but looking at the statistics, the overall success rate seems pretty high.
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tonizito
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| PumpAction wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | It's been a rough year for hollywood's attention whor- erm, actors but this is something else |
Do you really think this is just an stunt to get attention? |
In his case, yes. It was the same when he came out as a lesbian.
| PumpAction wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | The normalization of that shit opens up extremely scary possibilities, namely the possible normalization of child porn ("hey, she said she loves me so what if she's 8yo? It's her decision, bigot!") |
I don't get it. What do you want to say here? Accepting trans people is opening acceptance to child fucking? Only adult people can give consent. Or is this regarding the hormone therapy for kids stuff? |
Accepting that a kid (or his parents) knows better what they are and using that to delay their puberty possibly causing who knows which long term physical and psychological issues is my problem. And yes, I think that's a dangerous step that can lead to child fucking, if a kid is in love with you and consents (or the parents do) the relationship.
Honestly, aside from troons (which are more hilarious than anything else ) my main issue with trans "folx" is the whole trans children circus.
Want to bolt on a pair of titties? Go for it. Want to wear a dress and frolic down in the street? Ok. Want to mutilate your genitals and install an open wound in your crotch? More power to you. Just leave the kiddywinks out of that bullshit.
Or at the very least, wait until we're living in some kind of Altered Carbon reality 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| tonizito wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | It's been a rough year for hollywood's attention whor- erm, actors but this is something else |
Do you really think this is just an stunt to get attention? |
In his case, yes. It was the same when he came out as a lesbian. |
I don't remember anything besides her coming out. Did something else happen to call this attentionwhoring? I honestly don't remember.
| tonizito wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | The normalization of that shit opens up extremely scary possibilities, namely the possible normalization of child porn ("hey, she said she loves me so what if she's 8yo? It's her decision, bigot!") |
I don't get it. What do you want to say here? Accepting trans people is opening acceptance to child fucking? Only adult people can give consent. Or is this regarding the hormone therapy for kids stuff? |
Accepting that a kid (or his parents) knows better what they are and using that to delay their puberty possibly causing who knows which long term physical and psychological issues is my problem. And yes, I think that's a dangerous step that can lead to child fucking, if a kid is in love with you and consents (or the parents do) the relationship.
Honestly, aside from troons (which are more hilarious than anything else ) my main issue with trans "folx" is the whole trans children circus. |
Children cannot consent and I don't think that any sane person would disagree. I know too little about trans childs to comment on that. |
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LeoNatan
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Nalo
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tonizito
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| PumpAction wrote: | | I don't remember anything besides her coming out. Did something else happen to call this attentionwhoring? I honestly don't remember. |
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ellen-page-comes-as-gay-680563
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LeoNatan
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Is every coming out as gay by an actor attention whoring?
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I could write a long post about possible causes of transgenderism (changes in (brain) phsyiology, hormonal differences, variations during maturation etc.), but I doubt the hump cares. All I want to say is that claiming people transitioning from one sex to the other, it's an extreme process no one does for fun, is as wrong as saying homosexuals are confused and you can cure the gay out of them.
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So... he's straight now?
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DXWarlock
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I don't remember anything besides her coming out. Did something else happen to call this attentionwhoring? I honestly don't remember. |
It could just be my age, and who I grew up with. And how they acted, that I feel its a little..Theatrical (?), and delusion of importance to others?
I'm far from trans/gay/lgbt phobic.
And I don't mean to sound like the equal to "I'm not racist I have black friends". But my roommates for 5 years was drag queens, I spent those years spending 1/2 my weekends hanging out in a gay bar with gay/straight/bi friends watching the drag shows. And one of the few 'over 40' dudes my kids friends that are gay are open and cool with me knowing. Since I'm just "Cool, you be you dude! don't bother me one bit, act however feels natural to you around me.".
But this whole "I need to make a statement to the world" ritualism seems less self therapeutic, and more grandiose rebellious peacock strutting for the sake of self martyrdom.
To me there is a difference between "I don't care who knows if I'm bi/gay/trans" and "I need to feel liberated and tell everyone that I am bi/gay/trans".
I admit maybe its the people of that type i know that skews my perception also. They are of the same mindset of "Be who you are, all the time" but when someone starts announcing it the timeline of thinking goes:
"Good for you!....Yea!...OK tone it down some...well you are going a little far there, take it down a notch....jesus, OK OK we get it. See?? These are the ones that make it hard for the rest of us to fit in by pointing out how we don't fit in..just shut up and 'just be' already. Are you trying to convince everyone your truly happy, or yourself?".
To me its the vegans of the sexual orientation world:
Vegans will not shut up about how they don't eat meat. Vocal LGBT will not shut up about how they see their meat.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
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| tonizito wrote: | | Accepting that a kid (or his parents) knows better what they are and using that to delay their puberty possibly causing who knows which long term physical and psychological issues is my problem. |
But that's the express purpose of the treatment? The child/parents don't yet know, so the blockers give them a little more time to figure it out. If the kid later realizes they're not trans, the blockers stop and puberty resumes. I haven't been able to find any compelling evidence that the drugs themselves cause any long-term harm aside from the child being a late bloomer.
All in all, seems like a better solution than letting trans children go through the physical and psychological harm of a wrong puberty permanently changing their body.
| Nalo wrote: | | The root of the problem is never focused on, so people continue to mutilate their bodies and we should all pretend that's normal and totally not harmful behaviour |
What you've described is the root of a problem (stupid gender norms leading to psychological issues), not all gender-related problems. Some of them can be solved by talking to a psychologist, some by assuming a queer identity, and some are results of actual dysphoria for which transitioning is the best known treatment.
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To me there is a difference between "I don't care who knows if I'm bi/gay/trans" and "I need to feel liberated and tell everyone that I am bi/gay/trans". |
Aside from the difference being completely subjective in each individual case, the coming outs by public figures help other LGBT people accept themselves and be accepted by society. Based on that alone they're a positive IMO. Of course some LGBT people (especially celebs) can go overboard publicizing their lives, so can straight people.
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DXWarlock
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| Sauronich wrote: |
Aside from the difference being completely subjective in each individual case, the coming outs by public figures help other LGBT people accept themselves and be accepted by society. Based on that alone they're a positive IMO. Of course some LGBT people (especially celebs) can go overboard publicizing their lives, so can straight people. |
Very true, perhaps its the approach some take that rubs me the wrong way.
Its the difference (to me) between how Martin Luther King vs Malcolm X approached the same problem.
-One spent a lot of time pointing out how in the end we are all the same, and if we quit quantifying and celebrating differences in a exclusionary way (on both sides) that the differences will one day be moot points. That there is no need to glamourize or highlight differences, as that only encourages resistance based on the differences you hold high.
-While the other spent a lot of time pointing out how and who are the bad people are for reminding them of their differences, while also encouraging those he spoke to to proudly and unapologetically brandish and embrace those differences. That there is a clear "Us" and "Them" line that defines both sides, and its a badge of honor to pick a side to win the war against those that oppose us, That the underdogs are to see the pride in being a minority and the majority is our enemy to force to submit to accepting us.
Of those two men, one had a far more reaching impact of change. Not only of the minds of some of those on the other side, but of social shift to take small steps closer to unity. While the other did facilities change, some would say at a net loss overall in the scope of universal 'oneness'.
As far as the "help other LGBT (....) be accepted by society." part I feel the opposite of. It gives no quarters to society to accept them, and paints a false narrative they get angry and frustrated over when what they expected is not how the society really reacts to them as.
Not that is RIGHT society does that..not at all. IN due time, hopefully for sure.
But it is a bit of a over encouragement that more often than not leads to those that see someone big come out full tilt all lights on them, to do it themselves and realize the world is not yet as accepting as those 'bigger than life' people seem to imply it is. Then they get angry and bitter it was not as easy to do as they was lead to believe and realize its too late to be more cautious on who they tell (for now).
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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tonizito
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| Sauronich wrote: | | tonizito wrote: | | Accepting that a kid (or his parents) knows better what they are and using that to delay their puberty possibly causing who knows which long term physical and psychological issues is my problem. |
But that's the express purpose of the treatment? The child/parents don't yet know, so the blockers give them a little more time to figure it out. If the kid later realizes they're not trans, the blockers stop and puberty resumes. I haven't been able to find any compelling evidence that the drugs themselves cause any long-term harm aside from the child being a late bloomer.
All in all, seems like a better solution than letting trans children go through the physical and psychological harm of a wrong puberty permanently changing their body. |
Agreed. How long can you delay puberty without consequences? And you mean late bloomers in what sense? 
And how does it work? Delay puberty -> hormone treatment -> engage () puberty -> profit?
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tonizito
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Thanks for the info men, that cleared up some misconceptions I had about some of this stuff 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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