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Parallax_
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This article seems to sum up the argument quite well.
| Quote: | Many arguments about the Existence of God have been proposed by philosophers, theologians, and other thinkers. This article lists some of the more common arguments, especially those covered in the area of philosophy of religion. In philosophical terminology, this article introduces schools of thought on the epistemology of the ontology of God.
This article provides an introduction to the philosophical issues, arguments (for and against) and conclusions concerning the existence of God or gods.
# 1 Philosophical issues
* 1.1 What is God? (Definition of God's existence)
o 1.1.1 The problem of the supernatural
* 1.2 Epistemology
# 2 Arguments for the existence of God
* 2.1 Metaphysical arguments (for)
* 2.2 Empirical arguments (for)
* 2.3 Inductive arguments (for)
* 2.4 Subjective arguments (for)
o 2.4.1 Arguments grounded in personal experience
# 3 Arguments against the existence of God
* 3.1 Empirical arguments (against)
* 3.2 Deductive arguments (against)
* 3.3 Inductive arguments (against)
# 4 Conclusions
* 4.1 Theism
o 4.1.1 God exists and this can be proven
o 4.1.2 God exists, but this cannot be proven or disproven
* 4.2 Atheism
o 4.2.1 Strong atheism
o 4.2.2 Weak atheism
* 4.3 Agnosticism |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguments_for_the_existence_of_God#Subjective_arguments_.28for.29
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 19:43 Post subject: |
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Well quess some of us needs an explanation on what is going to happen whenever our heart stops.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 19:47 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | Well quess some of us needs an explanation on what is going to happen whenever our heart stops. |
I think that is true.
I seen lots of people become religious when they are about to die or when someone they loved died. Their families don't always understand it.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 19:57 Post subject: |
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There are no atheists in a ship that is sinking.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 20:08 Post subject: |
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'...if god was alive he would hate you anyway...' 
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 20:34 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | Mutantius wrote: | | Well quess some of us needs an explanation on what is going to happen whenever our heart stops. |
I think that is true.
I seen lots of people become religious when they are about to die or when someone they loved died. Their families don't always understand it. |
True, two month ago my grandma passed away, literally in front of my eyes. Seeing someone you love die and being helpless to do anything about it makes you realise how week and insignificant you really are.
The whole experience of watching a loved one die and beholding the dead body to watching them being buried is an eye opener. It kind of puts life into perspective, as no matter how long you live or whatever you do, eventually, you too will end up in the ground  |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 20:54 Post subject: |
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| mark322 wrote: | | compubrain3000 wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: |
I think that is true.
I seen lots of people become religious when they are about to die or when someone they loved died. Their families don't always understand it. |
True, two month ago my grandma passed away, literally in front of my eye. Seeing someone you love die and being helpless to do anything about it makes you realise how week and insignificant you really are.
The whole experience of watching a loved one die and beholding the dead body to watching them being buried is an eye opener. It kind of puts life into perspective, as no matter how long you live or whatever you do, eventually, you too will end up in the ground |
Believing in god won't change your destiny. Everyone of us will rot in the end. |
Maybe i'm being naive, but i'd like to believe that there is something more beyond the grave. I just can't comprehend the idea that my life is simply a quirk of evolution. |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 21:18 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | compubrain3000 wrote: | | mark322 wrote: |
Believing in god won't change your destiny. Everyone of us will rot in the end. |
Maybe i'm being naive, but i'd like to believe that there is something more beyond the grave. I just can't comprehend the idea that my life is simply a quirk of evolution. |
I think I am going to become worm food or fish food which is OK because that means I will be recycled. Hyperthermia is the way to go. You get so cold you feel warm and you just go to sleep.
I had a boss that went that way. Got lost on the mountian and made a snow cave, took off all his clothes and went to sleep. |
Not a good way to go, i hate the cold. I'd like to die at room temperature  |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 21:39 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | compubrain3000 wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: |
I think I am going to become worm food or fish food which is OK because that means I will be recycled. Hyperthermia is the way to go. You get so cold you feel warm and you just go to sleep.
I had a boss that went that way. Got lost on the mountian and made a snow cave, took off all his clothes and went to sleep. |
Not a good way to go, i hate the cold. I'd like to die at room temperature |
Well you start off cold but then you get really warm. I have this weird thing about people messing around with my body or something. I would rather it not be found. |
It's actually hypothermia not hyperthermia and (not to discourage you or anthing) it is not as comfortable as you think. You become paralyzed and then suffocate to death. Sorry |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 22:16 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | mark322 wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: |
Yes hypo not hyper. When they found my exboss they said it was a peacefull way to go. I guess it was said for our benifit. I always though and still do that the guy commited sucide. He was 48. |
But what about the cold burns? I'm sure there are moments of hysteria until your body completely freezes... |
Well I wasn't really thinking of freezing to death more like really cold water or something. I thought would just fall asleep and then stop breathing. Then get eaten by the fish. Then people would eat the fish and then I could haunt them. (Last bit is a joke) |
What's with the fish thing, get away from my food. I like my fish dead people free |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 22:31 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | compubrain3000 wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: |
Well I wasn't really thinking of freezing to death more like really cold water or something. I thought would just fall asleep and then stop breathing. Then get eaten by the fish. Then people would eat the fish and then I could haunt them. (Last bit is a joke) |
What's with the fish thing, get away from my food. I like my fish dead people free |
Remember that CSI eps where a women was fed to a bunch of paranas. The fish had human chol. that was how they found out what happened.
(off topic I know)
It is the circle of life thing and the food chain. That is why I don't eat pork. They eat anything. Meat, shit, people. We have a Pickton pig farmer trail on right now. He is a serial killer who killed 50 hookers. Anyway he feed them to the pigs. |
That's just disgusting, the pig farmer thing. I don't envy his customers  |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 22:54 Post subject: |
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this might be a bit offtopic, but i wonder why some people "believes" in infinite life. What is so great about it? Think about it, if you would choose between death and living forever.. well, i would go for death. Forever is just quite a long time.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 23:27 Post subject: |
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I guess it all depends on ones definition of religion. I equate religion with spirituality so I voted yes.
Im religious, just not in a conventional way. But I pray and worship on a regular basis.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 23:48 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006 00:02 Post subject: |
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I only know a couple of people who go to church but yet we have 2 churches per block on busy streets. Canada was 16.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006 00:05 Post subject: |
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Anyone ever read the book,( Jack of shadows )????
That would be a cool afterlife.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006 17:21 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | | compubrain3000 wrote: | | mark322 wrote: |
Believing in god won't change your destiny. Everyone of us will rot in the end. |
Maybe i'm being naive, but i'd like to believe that there is something more beyond the grave. I just can't comprehend the idea that my life is simply a quirk of evolution. |
Most people would like to believe that.. but there aint no point in wasting half your life by practising what some nut wrote in a book "Just in case"
If there is a afterlife im sure following a guide that some nutcase wrote is not gonna get u there any faster.
Can you imagine today if som eone said "LOL LOOK MY NAME IS JEBUS AND I CAME TO DIE FOR YOUR SINS" or *Insert 1000 other crap things here that people followed in history*
They would be put away in a mental hospital |
Don't waste your time thinking if there's and afterlife or not!
Just enjoy your life and get the best out of them, because nothing can change the fact that you will die someday, no matter what. So whatever happens happes, you can't change it.
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