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CobbMk2

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Posted: Fri, 13th Oct 2006 18:33 Post subject:

ChinUp wrote:

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I think we are confusing two separate things here. What the dictionary is trying to define is the 'word' - god. And they try to include as many definitions based on the main religions so as not to offend any of them, as well as idiomatic usages of the word. But someone from an island in the south-pacific will not recognize any of those definitions. To him, god is a dragon that swallows up the sun at night and throws a star-studded blanket over the world. Very Happy

I am not making this up, this is a 'belief' about god on a remote island not touched by the dominant religions.

There is also the 'concept' of god. What do people think of when they think of god? That is defined by the religions people follow and the rules there are pretty much set.

agreed .. well put .. what i want to show is that those folks who have there own views on god should not be undermined by the dictionary .. its the dictionaries job to define words that can be defined .. not press definitions on people for words that cannot be defined because there definition is particular to the individual .. there is no universal meaning or definition for the word god .. & the dictionary should represent this .. rather than taking sides & putting forward the belief that god is a super being who oversees all of existence .. only one of an infinite variety of possible definitions for god ..

Guess it all depends on who writes the dictionary. I had a similar view to yourself Chinup when I was studying philosophy. One person's concept of God may differ to another's and this perhaps should be reflected more. Whenever someone in lecture mentioned God, the first thing I would ask is what they meant by God.

Another thing worth mentioning is that the language ppl use is buried deep in history and culture. That is why ppl with different languages tend to think differently as language is a precursor to advanced thought. Each word is a concept for which some languages need a whole sentence or even paragraph to define. Hence, for example, why German is good for Philosophy and why English is good for Business (Economics was derived using the English language) and this extends to ideologies too.

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Posted: Fri, 13th Oct 2006 18:49 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Yes I wholeheartedly agree .. this is why it is so vital that in the current climate of religion vs science/government .. we need an unbiased foundation in language regarding words like religion & god .. the old definitions that favored deity worshiping & domination of people conscience via church dictates of morels & write & wrong need to be updated to the current standard regarding god & religion ... any presumptions that monotheist religions & viewpoints on god are the sole example of religion &* a belief in god .. need to be brought up to the global level .. the old narrow view on religion & god needs to change .. & changing how god & religion are represented in the dictionary is an important step towards real liberty from those who would presume to tell what god is .. When confronting those who use the word god to control & manipulate .. we need to have a level foundation with language .. so those who wish to remain independent have backing to the roots of the word god itself .. Liberty to believe what you see fit about god .. needs to be the standard .. not theism "Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost

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Posted: Tue, 17th Oct 2006 18:53 Post subject:

I don't believe in god, however, i don't believe there is no god, I try to stay neutral on all subjects.

I think it is dangerous to limit what private institutions can say about god, its a lot like the thinking in the EU, that by making sure no one with a religion can be offended by what someone says about that religion or religion in a general sense, the sense is that by protecting the speech of religious people your protecting there freedom of speech.

However, by making laws and enforcing those laws about religious speech you are infact puting doubt in the vary idea of freedom of speech, and damaging its vary nature.

There has been a huge amount of religious oppression in the EU all though out there history, howeven by making those laws inpending freedom of speech, the EU is simply overreacting to its history.

The biggest reason however of the making of such laws is not the whole history of the EU, but rather of WWII, with the oppression of judaism and the result of the holocaust, as well as the US oppression of freedom of speech after WWII in germany.

The thinking in the EU is that freedom of speech is somehow pure, that by a racist saying racist remarks, is somehow inpure or corrupting to freedom of speech, when infact it is its greatest triumph.

It is the thinking that freedom of speech should only be used for great speechs of love or tolerance, that somehow , freedom if speech shouldn't be used for trash talk of any kind or to express the emotion of hate or intolerance, that you have to have somekind of
responsibility for you own freedom pf speech, which isn't freedom of speech at all.

In truth most results of freedom of speech are complete trash, but one can learn just as much from fools as from the wise.

They are in one sense overreacting and in another running away from there own violent history rather than facing it face to face.

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Posted: Tue, 17th Oct 2006 19:53 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Well said .. & a kid should be able to look in the dictionary & tell there teacher .. who is telling them they will burn in hell, because god will punish them for not doing what the bible tells them .. that god is whatever we want god to be .. & the teacher is being deeply dishonest & hostile & putting forward beliefs as facts .. People should have the right to believe god is whatever they like .. without that there is not religious freedom . .only theist domination in the realm of religion & god .. a very hostile religion that would enslave people for there entire lives in the name of a safe death .. "Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost

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