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| Perry Rhodan wrote: | Which brings me nicely to my next point, compubrain said we're judging all muslims by a very small extremist minority. Well a muslim terrorist blows himself up somewhere, the "western world" is appauled by it, but the muslim world population either stands by quietly or actually celebrates the attack. Of course there are always a few muslims who condemn the terrorists actions but you can hardly call them a majority.
I don't think all muslims are potentially terrorists of course, but the muslim extremists are a problem the muslim community has to take care of. As long as that isn't happening, the muslim community is at least partly responsible for what the extremists are doing. |
The exact same thing can be said about the western world. You don't hear them speaking out when muslims are killed by Israeli "terrorists", American "terrorists" or British "terrorists".
How do you expect them to feel sorry for you when you're very much responsible for a lot of their misery? |
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from a european perspective i d say there is ALOT of pro-palestinian "outcry" allright
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Feb 2007 16:43 Post subject: |
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| compubrain3000 wrote: | | How do you expect them to feel sorry for you when you're very much responsible for a lot of their misery? |
Is Britain responsbile for the misery of its muslim citizens? No.
Yet muslims still form terror cells on it's soild and preach hate towards the west in mainstream mosques and schools... And it's british muslims we're talking about... They should be with "their" country.
Anyway, that "small minority" rhetoric said by the jihadists and their fellow dhimmis doesn't work anymore as it seems like they're the majority.
There are numerous examples how many "moderate" imams are caught preaching hate and jihad... Or when they can't admit that hizbullah or hamas are terrorist organizations...
Even "moderate bridge building" organizations like CAIR have their hands deep in terror and even they can't condemn hizbullah or hamas.
A mosque that was praised by British MP's in Britain is actualy a base of preaching hatred.
About the mega mosque-
One would ask a rational question: Why would muslim in foreign country invest in such a tremendous facility on non-muslim soil?
the british muslim community doesn't need such mosque and they live quite well under the british government... Yet a huge ammount of money is still spent on building that mosque.
Aren't there better investements in the islamic world? Like the hunger in Somalia and SUdan or Afghanistan?
The answer is simple... fundementalist islam wants to take deep roots in the european soil.
If the mosque will be built, it's only a matter of time before it will become the "fourth holiest place of islam". Good luck Europe.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Feb 2007 16:45 Post subject: |
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It's a common issue with muslims that they cry about discrimination whenever they're (except for when they're in their muslim homelands, there they get shot for bitching)... They cry in Israel, they cry in the U.K, they cry in France, Germany and the U.S.
They should check themselves first, I think that their bad reputation among civilized societies was well earned by them, you can't be a violent thug supporting cultist ideas and terror and in the same time want to be accepted by everybody.
About hamas... If you think that purposely killing innocents in terror attacks is justified and may be called freedom fighting, then you can't expect the society to accept the western society to accept you either.
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What a load of crap Godlikez. The UK has one of the most open and friendly societies on the planet bar none. We take in hundreds of thousands of people every year without question. Even mentioning the BNP is ridiculous. I mean they're so unmain stream it's laughable. They may have the odd council seat, but they have no Parlimentary seats what so ever.
How do they persecute muslims? Because of the odd nutcase that decides to do his own thing. Hey that can happen in any country.
Saying because someone is muslim and they're not going to get the job is insulting not only to the employer, but to the guy going for the job too. The opposite is true infact. They seem to be going for immigrant workers these days as they don't want to fall into the discrimination laws.
Nice link to that terror raid though. I mean if there was something going on at that address and the Police did nothing, what would you see would happen if someone was killed as a result. Heads would roll is what. The Police acted on intelligence given to them. Going from a link that you gave is this:
| Quote: | | Mrs Pandor, 23, is part of a large Muslim community in a multicultural area where men and women in traditional Islamic dress mingle with people of all hues and shapes, against a backdrop of buildings draped in England flags. |
We all have every freedom that the average person on the street has. No differences apart from our traditions and cultures. All intermixed without problems for the vast majority.
Yet brainwashed young men still decide to kill innocent people on buses and trains because they're told that they are the enemy, they are the unbeliever. Now you tell me whom is being intolerant.
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Most ppl from the UK I know burps and farts in public (at the coffee table, at the job, no not that job  etc ) like its the normal thing to do (this is my experience, not some prejudice stuff I heard) why is that ? (this should have been posted in the UV I guess  )
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You can't know many people in the UK then.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Feb 2007 17:16 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | You can't know many people in the UK then. |
Or that just shows the kind of people he spends time with.
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He he...I knew i should never had said something. Well all of them have been or are mates at work. Most are from the Midlands, 1 from London and 1 from Wales...cant remember the city, oh yea and 1 is from Liverpool. All in all around 20-30 guys I known through out the years at work are from the UK...and to be fair not all of them are like that...I don't really care either, just thought i would spice up the conversation a bit But it is true that especially 2 guys are renowned "bean/pork stew for lunch" eaters...but 2 bad apples don't make 3...right
Its weird in a way, most "clay" modellers come from the UK, its just the way of things I guess. Just to explain, we do car "design" models in a special clay and the ppl doing this job are called....well pretty simple really "Clay Modelers" and most of them are from the Midlands hence the ol English heritage of building cars was/is situated around there, and all of them are working as contractors all over the EU (dam good money if you ask me)
In a way I love you guys cause of the humor, no other ppl I know of has that ability to "take the piss" as you guys do, LOVE IT!
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| mark322 wrote: | Lets make it clear:
A muslim friendly -> Someone who has many muslim freinds with whom he plays poker, goes to the gym, celebrates their holidays and they celebrate his... A real mutual friendship.
A dhimmi -> Someone who agrees to give up parts of his freedom and values so just the other side (a muslim one in our case) would feel happy about him... The main reason of dhimmitude is fear.
Why we call such people dhimmis? Because if or when islam will take over their country, there'll be 2 types of people: Those who will fight and those who will be dhimmis.
Those who are called dhimmis now, are the potential real dhimmis of the future. |
Ahahah, here you are back in your binary nonsense, please -once and for all- go back to check the definition of dhimmi then compare it to your everyday use of it.
dhimmi: "non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia — Islamic law"
As there is neither a state governed by sharia in Europe -and you won't see a single one in your lifetime- nor in others countries that you insult daily by using this term as a slur, i can only conclude that all the hatred, bigotry and prejudices that you put in this term is made of your beloved & self-conditionning extreme-right -arabophobic, islamophobic & racist- readings, or maybe just from the 'values' that your family have inculcated you...
You are a cliché.
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| $en$i wrote: | | You are a cliché. |
And you're a dhimmi.
I already explained who I call a dhimmi and why, yet it's hard for you to understand... Well, whatever.
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The Dhimmi is the Arabic term that refers to its non-Islamic embracing population that has the ignominious dishonor of living in Islamic conquered lands. In a similar manner to the Jewish reference to a non-Jew as being a goy, so too the term dhimmi refers to non-Muslims. However unlike the Jewish term, goy, and much more important, the dhimmi is a distinctly subjugated second class non-citizen almost slave who is subjected to dictatorial deprivation of any legal and human rights since he is a non-Muslim permanent resident in a Muslim state.
Dhimmi is also the name of a book written by Bat Ye'or, a pseudonym, of a woman who grew up in Egypt as a British citizen and observed first hand the Islamic treatment of non-Muslims. Based on serious research, Dhimmi was first published in French in 1971, translated into English in 1985, later into Hebrew and Russian, Dhimmi is a must reading for anyone seriously desiring an understanding of Middle-East politics and the rationale of the Arab mentality.
The first part of the book describes the state of affairs of the dhimmi, the basis and development for dhimmitude in Islam, and the relationship of the jihad, the war to conquer territory for Islam to the status of dhimmi.
Throughout earliest Islamic history, the conquered peoples by advancing Muslim armies were given the choice of either converting, being killed, or living as a conquered people, a dhimmi. These subjugated people were suspended in time and space, for dhimmitude meant being barely tolerated in your dispossessed land.
Both Jews and Christians alike suffered the ignominious life of having their fate decided upon the whim of despotic rulers. Although a legal definition of the dhimmi exists, that they must pay various taxes and tolls, that they must live a second class life and give deference to their Muslim neighbors, much of their tragic existence depended on the whims of despotic rulers and frenzied Arab mobs who denied them even the little that was given to them through Islamic law.
In 622 CE when Muhammad began his systematic conquering of pagan Arab populations and territories in the Arab desserts and peninsulas, he set up a precedent of conversion, death or servitude. Mixing war and religion, he utilized and abrogated relationships with non-Muslims to gain political and eventual territorial gains. A shrewd politician, Muhammad took advantage of non-belligerency pacts to attack and subjugate populations. In 628, after a long siege of Khaybar, lasting a month and a half, the inhabitants surrendered under terms of a treaty known as the dhimma. According to this agreement Muhammad allowed the Jews living there to continue to cultivate the land on the condition that they cede to him half of their produce, but he reserved the right to cancel the agreement and expel them whenever he desired. This became the prototype of all future subjugations. Hence making agreements and then breaking them to gain political gains became a hallmark of Muslim armies.
As the Muslims grew more powerful, their holy wars spread out beyond Arabia. The jihad became a war of conquest subject to a code which was the elimination of infidels. Truces were allowed, but never a lasting peace.
The jihad became a concept that divided the world into two separate groups. One was the dar al harab, the territory of war, and the other was the dar al Islam, the territory of Islam, which was the Muslim land where Islamic law reigns. Jihad is a normal state of being in the dar al harab which will only end with the conversion of the entire world to Islam.
The concept of jihad was simple - conquering the world for the true religion, Islam, translated into forced conversions, killings, taking slaves, seizing properties. This method enriched the perpetrators of the jihad, paid for their armies and brought wealth to the Arab nations. Participation in jihad was obligatory, either by participation or by aiding in one of many manners.
The manner in which the rules of dhimmitude were applied varied according to the political circumstances and the disposition of the ruler. There were periods of tolerance which gave a small degree of security to the dhimmis. However the fanaticism which could be riled up by the clergy could change the situation in small time. If the local Muslim population became intolerant or jealous of the successes of the dhimmi, then a pogrom would ensue. Communities could find themselves evicted, women raped, exorbitant ransoms placed on them, children abducted and forced to convert, and in other cases mass murders of the dhimmi population was condoned.
Rules would be formulated to deny the dhimmi due process of the law. Discriminatory and restrictive dress and behavior codes would be enacted and severely enforced to reduce the dhimmi into a state of despair and poverty. Dehumanization of the dhimmi was not uncommon, and generally the rule. Various forms of physical abuse were common.
Many times distinctive dress was specified to identify a dhimmi that he would be unable to either mix with a Muslim or even walk in a Muslim area of a city. Other rules specified such demeaning dress codes as not wearing shoes or sandals, not using certain colors, wearing stars on their clothing. Dhimmis were often prohibited from working in many occupations. Even rules were made as to how a dhimmi could ride a mule to distinguish him from a Muslim.
The non-observance of these rules would entail a severe beating. Often passing a Muslim on the wrong side would begin a beating that could leave a dhimmi mortally wounded. Since the dhimmis were denied the ability to testify against a Muslim, there was absolutely no recourse
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The book is rich in sources both from Islam, from the communities subjected to dhimmitude, and from third party observations of the predicament that the restricted communities were subjected to. The author spent much time on research and documentation to produce a substantial look at the true face of Islam through the centuries in their relationship to other peoples living among them. The message is clear that Islam is not a tolerant religion; it fosters and condones belligerent and aggressive actions towards those people who choose not to embrace Islam.
This book is backed with much documentation of various dhimmi communities from all areas of Muslim rule. Included in the book are speeches of various influential Arabs, texts from various middle-age sources and reports taken from British consuls through out centuries from archives testifying to the conditions of the dhimmi communities.
Included in the book are rare pictures and photographs depicting the dhimmi and his community.
Dhimmi is easy reading and perhaps the most needed reading for the serious student of Middle Eastern politics in our time. The Dhimmi is published by Associated University Presses, 440 Forsgate Drive, Cranbury, New Jersey 08512. It can be ordered via the net, local bookstores, and should be in your local public library.
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| mark322 wrote: | | $en$i wrote: | | You are a cliché. |
And you're a dhimmi.
I already explained who I call a dhimmi and why, yet it's hard for you to understand... Well, whatever. |
Ahahaha, according to your own special understanding of the term i am not. I have never given anything of my freedom and values to please anyone, muslim or not.
| mark322 wrote: | | A dhimmi -> Someone who agrees to give up parts of his freedom and values so just the other side (a muslim one in our case) would feel happy about him... The main reason of dhimmitude is fear. |
What i found funny is the fear part in your 'definition'. The only fear i can actually see here is the irrational one from fear-mongering ignorants who prophesy and fear of an 'islam take over' based only on their conditioned and biased perception of the reality.
The last time your hated arabs/muslims tried to take over Europe it was in 732 AD, i hope you are patient coz you won't see them retry before dying...
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| $en$i wrote: | What i found funny is the fear part in your 'definition'. The only fear i can actually see here is the irrational one from fear-mongering ignorants who prophesy and fear of an 'islam take over' based only on their conditioned and biased perception of the reality.
The last time your hated arabs/muslims tried to take over Europe it was in 732 AD, i hope you are patient coz you won't see them retry before dying... |
Actualy I'm quite sure I'll get the chance to see them starting a real intifada in France,
I admit I won't feel sad at all about it.
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Ha-ha $en$i - the wiki man.If something is written in wiki,then it's truth and nothing but the truth.
But here you are ...an article from wiki on the etymology of the neologism "dhimmitude"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude
| Quote: | The word dhimmitude is a neologism, imported from the French language, and derived from the Arabic language word dhimmi...
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The associations of the word "dhimmitude" vary between users:
Bat Ye'or originally defined dhimmitude as the condition and experience of those who are subject to dhimma, and thus not synonymous to, but rather a subset of the dhimma phenomenon.
It may be simply a replacement for the — compared to dhimmi — relatively little known noun dhimma and carry the same meaning. This has already widely happened in French usage (where "-tude" is a productive suffix, too)
A more recent pejorative usage variant of "dhimmi" and "dhimmitude" divorces the words from the historical context of jihad and applies them to situations where non-Muslims in the West are allegedly championing Islamic causes above others’; "dhimmi" is synonymous with "Quisling" within this context. See, for example, the site Dhimmi Watch by Robert Spencer.
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| nouseforaname wrote: | ^^ oh look, a jew that doesn't like muslims 
Bat Ye'or is a stupid whore |
Local moron spoke.I'm not surprised to see that coming from you.
But I'm still surprised,how the hell you have become VIP here.
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I though I'm only NF person who doesn't know what da fuck it means 
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| anarxist wrote: | | But I'm still surprised,how the hell you have become VIP here. |
infinite diversity in infinite combinations
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| anarxist wrote: | Ha-ha $en$i - the wiki man.If something is written in wiki,then it's truth and nothing but the truth.
But here you are ...an article from wiki on the etymology of the neologism "dhimmitude"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude |
Ahahah, ty but i already know what is and who use this neologism. Everything relevant in Wikipedia is sourced, thus it rarely suffers of partiality and is a good start for an unbiased debate.
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| $en$i wrote: | | Ahahah, ty but i already know what is and who use this neologism. Everything relevant in Wikipedia is sourced, thus it rarely suffers of partiality and is a good start for an unbiased debate. |
The very nature of any language is fluent.You'll be surprised with the speed of spreading this very definition of dhimmi around the world in the nearest future.  |
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| Freakness wrote: | | Anthirs wrote: | Right, I wrote a post earlier but I have no idea where it went so 'ere we go again:
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First i'd like to point out that I am in no way a muslim friendly person, something some of you might have understod from other posts by me. I don't think they are less worth as humans - but I just don't want them in my country as I think their way of thinking is too different from the culture I come from. This have been discussed before and its NOT what this post is about - so please, don't get started on it.
My post is about the constant use of the word "dhimmi". Each and every second post in the World News section (apart from the ones by the ones who are on the muslims side ofc) - the word dhimmi is being thrown at every muslim defending person or country. I might be the only one who feels like this - but constantly calling people or countries dhimmi's as soon as they are positive to muslims is starting to sound as bad as calling a black guy nigger. I've heard europe being called dhimmis shitloads of times in the World News section and tbh its starting to get anoying. I don't mind if You pint point some leader or person and call them muslim friendly - but to constantly yell Dhimmi at everyone is starting to get very anoying. Now I don't expect people to care about my feeling towards this and thats actually fine - but I still just wanted to share how I feel about it. |
In case you havent noticed it, the word 'dhimmi' is used to annoy. It works and it will be used in the future and maybe even dhimmis will be legislated by law in some countries[maybe in your country too?]. Have a good dhimmi time, dhimmi. |
It's simple.. Islamists invented the word islamophobes to use against anyone criticizing islam in any way, esp. the anti-democratic and racist parts of the more radical and fundamental elements within islam.
When you're conscious about how they work, demand more and more special treatment (that NO other minority would even dream of demanding) like sharia in certain neighbourhoods, their own toilets in school so dirty kufirs doesn't ruin their prayers etc. etc. you can't help thinking that someone defending islam in an ignorant way (not seeing the bad things) have been dhimmified and will be the first one to regret it when it's too late.
ps. Islam isn't a race. And islamism isn't a religion, it's an ideology of conquering the world and replacing democracy and all other religions with Islam. Most people in here are ignorant to most of the facts and repeat the PC-mobs rethorical statements.
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