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Spazmotic
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 19:35    Post subject:
I'd suggest the Female Android Modelling, that one is very fun. Poly/Subd the whole way through
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 20:55    Post subject:
yes I can concur the female android was a very good tutorial and I completed it,along with the strange hdr skybox they used for backdrop..

the model itself turned out well for me and I did I believe posted it for crit on the forums the tutorial came from..

great learning that one..
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 13:17    Post subject:
Ok. Arch is giving me more and more problems, no ideea how to solve them, and the guys over their forums arent much help either, so i'm back to Ubuntu for now but
iNatan wrote:
I had some time to check Ubuntu 10.10 and Kubuntu 10.10. Not sure why, but I'm starting to dislike (borderline hate) more and more. Neutral It lacks that charm that other distros have.

yeah, quite bland.
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I'd personally Suggest Fedora and turn off SELinux, Honestly, who's gonna hack your home computer?

So i was thinking of giving Fedora another try, its not SELinux, its the constant HDD activity that bothers me.
I just remember the file name, it was updatedb so i got some questions Very Happy
Is this some file indexing process?
Does it never stop ?
Cant i turn it off ?
Did God of Linux bugged this process for me only, or its just how Fedora14 behaves for everyone in terms of never-ending HDD activity?


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 13:21    Post subject:
updatedb is a file indexer, it makes it so that you can run locate "filename" and it usually only runs when you actually run it unless it has a crontab set up. It is probably located in /etc/cron.daily, or just in the normal crontab.

From what I see, Fedora does set it up to run automatically, once you turn that off, should notice a much lower CPU usage, etc..
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 13:27    Post subject:
For ubuntu, but the same applies: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87497
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 13:36    Post subject:
Hm ok. I keep reading those "defrag your HDD at least once a week !!111" advices that i have always ignored. I stop defragmenting HDDs since Windows98 era, and my current HDD are 2 and 5 years old and have never been defragmented Very Happy Maybe that has something to do with the HDD activity/file-indexer ? Very Happy Sry for quite stupid questions but i just gotta ask before i start the next ~5 hour OS installation cycle ^^
EDIT: no hdd noise on ubuntu, arch or slackware, really intense on fedora and soso on selinux .. weird stuff !!


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 13:52    Post subject:
I doubt it, I'll defrag now and then but over defragging can likely cause more harm than good. It's a fairly debatable topic but I don't handle it too often. UpdateDB really shouldn't be taking that long however unless it was still doing its first run and trying to get a list of all of the files to work as a baseline. I'd suggest trying the solution on the Ubuntu forums of either moving the crontab files, changing the permissions on updatedb, or just moving updatedb. UpdateDB is something you will want to run now and then though, as it is fantastic for finding files on the fly.

Edit: Something else I just thought of, is if you have some really large datadrives on separate partitions that it is trying to index could take a good while. Fedora will automount these I believe and you could update the crontab command to include -e /mnt/sda2 or whatever the mount points are for the large drives. ( -e for Exclude)
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 18:29    Post subject:
Thanks, I'll try doing that when/if i decide to give fedora another try. Atm I went for CrunchBang and found a new love: Openbox Very Happy Installed and configured, time for some sleep Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 18:36    Post subject:
I cant fucking stand Fedora.

Try Debian Sid, or atleast thats what I usually settle on

Although at the moment I am giving Linux Mint 10 a whirl because I was bored today


ragnarus wrote:

I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 18:56    Post subject:
I was really starting to dislike Fedora, but the new release is so much better than alot of the previous ones. The installer is sexy ass clean, and it seems to run alot lighter, I usually use Fedora KDE though instead of the normal Gnome.
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 19:09    Post subject:
I will have to have a look at Fedora 14 at some point then when I have time.

Linux Mint does a debian build as well as an ubuntu one, but as I said if you use Debian (IMO) its best to go with Sid (Testing) stable although it is stable is too outdated.

For a server though it rocks, my box runs Debian stable and its solid Very Happy


I dont think I could use it all the time, but I did actually quite like KDE4.4 when I last tried it. It still feels way to bloated compared to gnome, but if you do just a terminal install on any debian based linux and do "apt-get install kde-minimal" its pretty tidy.

I still like gnome3 more though.

Ubuntu is switching to unity with 11.04, so thats another thing to look at if you ever jump back to Ubuntu (or one of its forks like Mint)


ragnarus wrote:

I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 19:12    Post subject:
All of my linux servers run CentOS, which is definitely preferred IMO, but i'll have to poke around Mint, never really heard of it .

I agree KDE can have a wierd bloated feeling to it, and even in the newer Fedora release you have to spend some time to tweak things down a bit. But the general Fedora release alone feels like it minimizes alot of stuff that it used to fire up on startup. Not sure if that's correct I would have to burn a copy of old Fedora to check the chkconfig and see what is set in the runlevels on boot for each one. The only problem i've had with the new version of Fedora is SELinux, and that was just my fault in the end.
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 19:26    Post subject:
I have CentOS on my dedicated box, its my personal one at home I have Debian stable on, just because I know it better than CentOS (although I admit thats a lazyness thing) but the home one only has to handle sharing video's and backup stuff etc... for my media centre so its all good Very Happy


ragnarus wrote:

I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Dec 2010 22:47    Post subject:
I use Arch on my desktop, have been for the last year, shame I didn't notice this thread earlier I might've been able to help you with some of your Arch woes.
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Vikerness




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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Dec 2010 07:26    Post subject:
Well its not too late Very Happy
Here are my 2 problems
 Spoiler:
 

EDIT : FIXED by disconnecting the drive from the intel sata controller and connecting it to the jmicron one. YEY !
and
 Spoiler:
 


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Saner




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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Dec 2010 14:13    Post subject:
su
nano /ect/selinux/config
change enabled to disabled
reboot


fucking scummy SElinux

trying fedora 14 now


ragnarus wrote:

I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Dec 2010 14:40    Post subject:
Have no clue on those two Viker, good luck with Fed 14 saner, and good on ya for disabling selinux
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Dec 2010 15:34    Post subject:
I have little doubt its because I am use to debian based systems, but I find fedora just fucking shit.

Every time I want to do something it seems to be more hassle than debian.

and what the fuck kind of distro does not have nano or wget installed as default.

the first distro I ever used was Red hat 5, and that was shit, and it seems to have improved very little, although on redhat 5 I had to build X from scratch for some reason so thats got better.

I honestly cant put my finger on what is wrong with it, but I just find it a complete pile of shite.

Starts debian testing download


ragnarus wrote:

I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Dec 2010 15:44    Post subject:
Well remember mate with Fedora you can just Yum grab those things really quick, I think they stopped putting Nano on because on Nubs like it (Me), not sure why no Wget however, but i'd imagine it's due to the quickness of the Yum repositories. Just Yum install nano | yum install wget | Yum install everything Smile

I can see how you would hate it with using Debian though, Debian was my first linux distro and I could not stand not having apt when I first switched over but I don't think i could livewithout YUM at this point.
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Saner




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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Dec 2010 15:49    Post subject:
as I said I am sure its because I am used to apt, it took me a while to get used to apt when I first started using debian so its all personal taste.

One of the joys of linux I suppose, something for everyone (apart from openSUSE )


ragnarus wrote:

I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Dec 2010 17:19    Post subject:
Saner wrote:
Every time I want to do something it seems to be more hassle than debian.

And every time I want do so something on every distribution including debian it seems to be MUCH more hassle than Arch Very Happy Except for the installation process, the thing thats putting people away from the best distro ever Very Happy

Edit: Btw if anyone wants a ready to run, out of the box Arch install try ArchBang, i'm downloading it right now, just to see if it has the same booting problems as Arch Very Happy

Edit2: Just tried ArchBang and it sucks. I hate its default programs, themes. fonts and openbox configurations so i kinda need to reconfig everything. A regular ArchLinux installation would be much faster Very Happy
Btw here's something funny i found today
Ubuntu Satanic Edition 666.9 http://ubuntusatanic.org/news/

Spinoffs suck. Except maybe for CrunchBang


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Saner




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PostPosted: Thu, 30th Dec 2010 11:49    Post subject:
I was going to try Arch (and I am sure I will still do so at some point) but for now I am back to sid and it rocks


ragnarus wrote:

I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Jan 2011 02:20    Post subject:
how do you install nvidia drivers on fedora? i remember last time i had the same problem with kmod and had to manually create a file xorg.0.conf ? not sure, a file with "0" in it Very Happy but i cant find the dam website anymore
what i did this time:
- edit etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf - added - blacklist nouveau
- edit grub.conf - added - rdblacklist=nouveau nouveau.modeset=0
- install akmod-nvidia from that GUI packager along with the required dependencies
- run nvidia-xconfig to create new conf file
- i have etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-nvidia who calls for modulepath /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia and the modules are there
Yet x doesnt start "fatal error:nvdia module not found". same thing if i try to run modprobe nvidia

I've tried adding
Section "Files"
ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"
ModulePath "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules"
EndSection
to xorg.conf but nothing changed

I also found a nvidia-xorg.conf in /etc/X11, with the lines
Section "Device"
Identifier "Videocard0"
Driver "nvidia"
EndSection

but i suppose X needs xorg.conf, not nvidia-xorg.conf ?
also, again, i remember creating a file with a "0" in it, in /etc/X11 Very Happy
so what next ? Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Jan 2011 02:31    Post subject:
Fedora has made some nice improvements for graphic cards and getting them installed quickly, especially using some 3rd party repositories.

All of this information comes from my favorite site at getting fedora up and running at :

http://www.fedorafaq.org


First add the 3rd party repository (needed for Mp3 support / etc anyway)

1. Open a Terminal.
2. Become root:

Code:
      su -

3. Run the following command:

Code:
      yum --nogpgcheck install http://rpm.livna.org/livna-release.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-stable.noarch.rpm


Now to add the Driver proper:



2. Open a Terminal.
3. Become root:
Code:

      su -

4. Install the driver:
Code:

      yum install kmod-nvidia

5. Rebuild your kernel configuration (otherwise it may try to load a conflicting driver during boot):

Code:
      new-kernel-pkg --mkinitrd --dracut --update $(rpm -q --queryformat="%{version}-%{release}.%{arch}\n" kernel | tail -n 1)

6. Reboot your machine:
Code:

      reboot

And now you should have working 3D with your nVidia card!

Note that if you have an older card, you may need to install kmod-nvidia-173xx or kmod-nvidia-96xx. There is a list on the nVidia site that says which cards are supported by which driver.

If you need support for the nVidia drivers, check out the nV News "NVIDIA Linux Forum". (Thanks to Exile in Paradise for this tip.)
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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Jan 2011 03:17    Post subject:
Spazmotic wrote:

4. Install the driver:
Code:

      yum install kmod-nvidia

damn akmod! it failed building the driver for some reason
yum remove akmod-nvidia
yum install kmod-nvidia
everything works! should have been so easy Very Happy

Edit: since pluging my HDD to the jmicron sata controller, arch boots everytime and i dont get constant HDD activity on fedora anymore .. looks like it was a hardware problem, nothing wrong with fedora, its running pretty smooth actually


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PostPosted: Sat, 1st Jan 2011 03:30    Post subject:
Glad to hear it mate, I had a feeling it was an external or some HDD issue throwing Fedora through a loop. Visit that page I linked at the top of that post and browse though some of the things, that pages solves alot of problems preemptively that you think you may run into.
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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2011 15:08    Post subject:
Funny thing happened on Fedora today. I was downloading some updates and in the same time messing with xfce 4 settings manager (not sure if it has anything to do with it) BUT Fedora throwed me out to the login screen ?! and wouldnt let me login again ?!
?!?!??!!?!?!?
I switched to the second terminal (ctrl+alt+f2) and tried to yum install something and noticed that the update manager was still running in the background. Went for a coffe, came back after half an hour, yum was unlocked (which ment that update manager was done) so i could safely reboot.
After reboot, the new kernel wouldnt boot - kernel panic error something, and the old kernel wouldnt let me login ?!
But booting with 'init 3', then running 'startx' worked.
?!!?!?!?
So yeah.. back to Crunchbang Very Happy Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2011 16:26    Post subject:
arch is a nice distro
pacman -S xorg xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse xf86-input-evdev xf86-input-joystick xf86-input-vmmouse xf86-video-vmware nvidia nvidia-utils lib32-nvidia-utils kde-meta zsh sudo vlc libdvdcss vdpau-video kde-l10n-doublecharactercountrycode

nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals --composite --twinview "twinview is for dualscreen"

nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev~tabcompletion
fix "Option" "XkbLayout" "doublecharactercountrycode" for keyboard layout in device is keyboard

nano /etc/rc.conf
add nvidia to modules
hal udev dbus alsa kdm to daemons

do pacman -S cdemu-client - if you want daemon tools for Linux
then add vhba to modules in rc.conf and cdemud to daemons
fix alsa sound device in /etc/conf.d/cdemud and set amount of virtual devices
then later on install kde-cdemu-manager through aur for gui interface

useradd -m -g users -G lp,optical,storage,video,audio,games,wheel -s /bin/zsh "or bash" username
passwd username

reboot and you have graphical environment ready to go, with an avg download speed of 5mb/s you have the system up and running inside of 15 minutes -if you've memorised the commands.
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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2011 18:33    Post subject:
The kickout sounds like something related to tweaking the XFCE setting but it is hard to be sure. No need to panic if the new kernel didn't boot, just boot the old one and you will be good to go, it is likely that since you logged out it may of had some issue downloading the new kernel, can set the old one up to go in grub and it will load it automatically instead.
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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2011 18:53    Post subject:
The new kernel wouldnt boot due to kernel panic and with the old kernel i was stuck at the login screen.. Anyway it doesnt really mather, it was just a quick Fedora test to see how many packages are installed with the XFCE live CD and how well it runs. And as expected, its bloated as hell, same as xubuntu.
I think i'm done! trying out distros (i pretty much tried them all except for gentoo and sabayon) and so far i've settled with a dual boot of crunchbang and salix on my first HDD. Sabayon coming next, probably tomorrow, on my second HDD Very Happy


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