In Sweden it's extremely socially unacceptable to say "neger" (nigger) so if you do say it people get all shocked by it. But then the even more stupid thing comes when you realize that all of the people that get all shocked by it don't even consider the word offensive themselves.
What? Pretty much everyone ive ever met where a black guy has been mentioned has said "neger".
What? I know alot of Swedes, and they wouldnt for the life of them use the word "neger".
And in Denmark only low IQ people, old people that dont know better or mere racists use that word. I wouldnt use it either, cant see the need to say a word that has gotten a negative wording about a whole race, when there are other words more fitting.
Oh..I suppose if a Danish guy knows alot of Swedish guys - my experience as an actual resident in Sweden doesnt count
Stormwolf wrote:
Dumbest thing i've heard in a while.
Indeed. However, its not the same thing to say "Neger" as it is to say "Nigger". "Nigger" is something I don't hear many say here..but "neger" is really common. Hell, I know a black guy who even calls himself "Peter Neger"
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What? Pretty much everyone ive ever met where a black guy has been mentioned has said "neger".
What? I know alot of Swedes, and they wouldnt for the life of them use the word "neger".
And in Denmark only low IQ people, old people that dont know better or mere racists use that word. I wouldnt use it either, cant see the need to say a word that has gotten a negative wording about a whole race, when there are other words more fitting.
Oh..I suppose if a Danish guy knows alot of Swedish guys - my experience as an actual resident in Sweden doesnt count
Stormwolf wrote:
Dumbest thing i've heard in a while.
Indeed. However, its not the same thing to say "Neger" as it is to say "Nigger". "Nigger" is something I don't hear many say here..but "neger" is really common. Hell, I know a black guy who even calls himself "Peter Neger"
I am Danish, but ive also lived 5 years in Malmö (only just returned few years ago) and have alot of swedish friends (go to parties a few places in Skåne etc) and none of them would ever use the word neger.
I am not making this up - thats indeed how its "not" used among the people I know.
If someone sees a black guy and says "oh did you see that neger just walk the street" without any kind of smirk etc that would be considered a very poor choice of words and highly offensive in the presence of a black guy (thats not a friend in on the joke etc).
And regarding blacks using the word nigger/neger - thats been beaten to death in stand up comedy since the early 80ties atleast.
I will call people what they would like to be called out of respect and common courtesy, so I dont call the Romani people gypsy, nor blacks neger/nigger etc.
A fun fact: Romani means "people" on Romani language, so Romani people is pretty funny for me to say (a fine example of over-the-top political correctness), so I regulary use the word gipsy, but not with a malicious meaning, just trying to keep it real (since they all call each other that way here).
A fun fact: Romani means "people" on Romani language, so Romani people is pretty funny for me to say (a fine example of over-the-top political correctness), so I regulary use the word gipsy, but not with a malicious meaning, just trying to keep it real (since they all call each other that way here).
But why would you use the word Gypsi, when its meaning is derogatory to that group of people?
I don't really know the source of that word (I know German variant zigeuner which indeed has derogatory meaning in original), but I haven't heard any Gipsy here actually referring to themselves as Romani for ages, so if they are OK with that, I'm OK too. And believe me, there are LOT of Gipsies here.
I don't really know the source of that word (I know German variant zigeuner which indeed has derogatory meaning in original), but I haven't heard any Gipsy here actually referring to themselves as Romani for ages, so if they are OK with that, I'm OK too. And believe me, there are LOT of Gipsies here.
My wife works as a teacher for foreign students here in Denmark, she gets alot of Romani from time to time and I can promise you the word Gypsi is not used about them.
I am Danish, but ive also lived 5 years in Malmö (only just returned few years ago) and have alot of swedish friends (go to parties a few places in Skåne etc) and none of them would ever use the word neger.
I am not making this up - thats indeed how its "not" used among the people I know.
If someone sees a black guy and says "oh did you see that neger just walk the street" without any kind of smirk etc that would be considered a very poor choice of words and highly offensive in the presence of a black guy (thats not a friend in on the joke etc).
And regarding blacks using the word nigger/neger - thats been beaten to death in stand up comedy since the early 80ties atleast.
I will call people what they would like to be called out of respect and common courtesy, so I dont call the Romani people gypsy, nor blacks neger/nigger etc.
Yeah I suppose your right...after all, ive only lived here 40 years so I must be wrong eh?
As far as the word Neger goes - it's never been about looking down at black people..Nigger however has and still is.
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I am Danish, but ive also lived 5 years in Malmö (only just returned few years ago) and have alot of swedish friends (go to parties a few places in Skåne etc) and none of them would ever use the word neger.
I am not making this up - thats indeed how its "not" used among the people I know.
If someone sees a black guy and says "oh did you see that neger just walk the street" without any kind of smirk etc that would be considered a very poor choice of words and highly offensive in the presence of a black guy (thats not a friend in on the joke etc).
And regarding blacks using the word nigger/neger - thats been beaten to death in stand up comedy since the early 80ties atleast.
I will call people what they would like to be called out of respect and common courtesy, so I dont call the Romani people gypsy, nor blacks neger/nigger etc.
Yeah I suppose your right...after all, ive only lived here 40 years so I must be wrong eh?
As far as the word Neger goes - it's never been about looking down at black people..Nigger however has and still is.
We most move in very different circles and I promise you that neger is frown upon in Denmark and the swedish friends I have. Neger has the same negative connotation as nigger has.
A member of Sverigedemokraterne got into trouble last year because he said:
Nej, jeg kender ingen negere, der er ikke så mange her på egnen.
That sparked a debate in Sweden that you seemed to have missed...
I am Danish, but ive also lived 5 years in Malmö (only just returned few years ago) and have alot of swedish friends (go to parties a few places in Skåne etc) and none of them would ever use the word neger.
I am not making this up - thats indeed how its "not" used among the people I know.
If someone sees a black guy and says "oh did you see that neger just walk the street" without any kind of smirk etc that would be considered a very poor choice of words and highly offensive in the presence of a black guy (thats not a friend in on the joke etc).
And regarding blacks using the word nigger/neger - thats been beaten to death in stand up comedy since the early 80ties atleast.
I will call people what they would like to be called out of respect and common courtesy, so I dont call the Romani people gypsy, nor blacks neger/nigger etc.
Yeah I suppose your right...after all, ive only lived here 40 years so I must be wrong eh?
As far as the word Neger goes - it's never been about looking down at black people..Nigger however has and still is.
We most move in very different circles and I promise you that neger is frown upon in Denmark and the swedish friends I have. Neger has the same negative connotation as nigger has.
A member of Sverigedemokraterne got into trouble last year because he said:
Nej, jeg kender ingen negere, der er ikke så mange her på egnen.
That sparked a debate in Sweden that you seemed to have missed...
No, you should try and see the difference between the media and reality on the streets. Thats a big difference. Media has outrage every now and then on this the "normal" person doesnt really care or understand what the fuzz is about. Just cos media makes it something big it doesnt mean the majority of the people does.
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I never use the word neger, nigger or negro, it's disrespectful and points towards dark skinned Africans being of a different race. But I can agree it's difficult to know what misnomer to use... Black? African? Africans stretch from pale arabs to subsaharan dark-skinned natives as well as white South Africans and Namibians.
Yeah I suppose your right...after all, ive only lived here 40 years so I must be wrong eh?
As far as the word Neger goes - it's never been about looking down at black people..Nigger however has and still is.
We most move in very different circles and I promise you that neger is frown upon in Denmark and the swedish friends I have. Neger has the same negative connotation as nigger has.
A member of Sverigedemokraterne got into trouble last year because he said:
Nej, jeg kender ingen negere, der er ikke så mange her på egnen.
That sparked a debate in Sweden that you seemed to have missed...
No, you should try and see the difference between the media and reality on the streets. Thats a big difference. Media has outrage every now and then on this the "normal" person doesnt really care or understand what the fuzz is about. Just cos media makes it something big it doesnt mean the majority of the people does.
If someone sees a black guy and says "oh did you see that neger just walk the street" without any kind of smirk etc that would be considered a very poor choice of words and highly offensive in the presence of a black guy (thats not a friend in on the joke etc).
obviously not from sweden myself.
but here, randomly saying "oh did you see that black guy just walk the street" when you had no reason to point out their race wouldn't be considered all that acceptable either. you are obviously saying it because of some stereotype you have about black guys.
but that is far from saying nigger. but I think nigger is a word started in n. america, so i would also imagine people from sweden would confuse the two because they sound similar.
If someone sees a black guy and says "oh did you see that neger just walk the street" without any kind of smirk etc that would be considered a very poor choice of words and highly offensive in the presence of a black guy (thats not a friend in on the joke etc).
obviously not from sweden myself.
but here, randomly saying "oh did you see that black guy just walk the street" when you had no reason to point out their race wouldn't be considered all that acceptable either. you are obviously saying it because of some stereotype you have about black guys.
but that is far from saying nigger. but I think nigger is a word started in n. america, so i would also imagine people from sweden would confuse the two because they sound similar.
so your both right, so stop arguing ffs
Thats not at all whats this about mate. In Denmark and Sweden the word neger has the same negative reinforcement as nigger elsewhere. Ankh says that he has no problem using the word neger and I say thats wrong and point to why that is (Frant got it right tho).
I live in Denmark, and yes - it seems the word neger was banned some 10-20 years ago, can't remember exactly when.
Before that time, though, it was quite common - and I personally have no problem with it.
I'd say Nigger is still much worse, though.
To me, words are ALL about context. For instance, it's very common to use denigrating words when kidding around with each other around here - and that includes offensive racial slurs. I suppose that's the case in other countries as well.
If someone says neger instead of whatever else, I would look at context and intent - not whether the public have chosen that it's racist. You can't expect everyone to be aware of everything that is commonly considered inappropriate - you have to look at the individual and his or her background.
The way to trivialise race and racial differences is NOT to talk about it constantly and get unrealistically PR about it. I'll oppose racism whenever I detect it - but I won't have my imagination replace my common sense and go crazy because of a single word without context.
I don't know why, but negro is the politically correct word in portuguese (at least here in brazil), while preto(=black) isn't quite acceptable.
Anyway, we all know (or should know) that nigger is offensive and shouldn't be used to address someone, not even in jokes. What the original poster said, IMO, is that the word shouldn't be censored, which is different. Like if I say "that racist used the n-word", well, that's just stupid, he used what word? ...
Was wondering - Casus and Frant? You guys live in bigger towns right?
Maybe Ankh lives in a more rural area I am guessing. Because I have a hard time believing he wouldnt get into trouble in Malmö or Copenhagen with those choice of words (or rather that someone would tell him otherwise).
There are two kinds of people I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
i wonder why the word Arabs has not taken into similar, more offensive, meaning as nigger. Probably because of US media.
Somewhat related.
I recently experienced a bar fight between a colored person and a white man.
The latter guy was quite drunk, probably looking for a fight, but it all started from one sentence
(i heard it quite well, because i was sitting near them).
paraphrasing a little bit:
"hey you, sand-nigger, what the fuck are you doing here?"
Was wondering - Casus and Frant? You guys live in bigger towns right?
Maybe Ankh lives in a more rural area I am guessing. Because I have a hard time believing he wouldnt get into trouble in Malmö or Copenhagen with those choice of words (or rather that someone would tell him otherwise).
I live right next to Malmö. Im there quite often and the majority of people I work with are from Malmö. So nope.
edit: to be more precise Trelleborg
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Was wondering - Casus and Frant? You guys live in bigger towns right?
Maybe Ankh lives in a more rural area I am guessing. Because I have a hard time believing he wouldnt get into trouble in Malmö or Copenhagen with those choice of words (or rather that someone would tell him otherwise).
I live right next to Malmö. Im there quite often and the majority of people I work with are from Malmö. So nope.
edit: to be more precise Trelleborg
In Denmark we used to have negerboller just as you did in Sweden; here its from wiki about negerboll/chokladboll:
The traditional name for the pastry is negerboll ("negro ball"), and was coined in an era when there were virtually no people of Sub-Saharan African descent (see Black people) in Sweden. Due to its arguably offensive character by contemporary standards, the name has fallen out of favor in cooking books, for example. It is still in use in less formal circumstances though, and whether or not the word negerboll should be used has been a subject of debate in news papers[1] and Internet blogs. The word neger was considered neutral a few decades ago but has become controversial and today it is recommended to use other words if you have to describe someone's skin-color. (This could be compared to the English equivalent negro.) Since the word neger is no longer considered a neutral word,[2] many people feel that the word negerboll is not appropriate.
Thats 100% how it is in Denmark as well.
Could be fun to hear where Frant is from in Sweden now - because its getting pretty weird about whats socially acceptable in Trelleborg and the people you know.
I've recently moved - but I lived for most of my life in Albertslund - which is close to Copenhagen. As such, I'm the equivalent of a big city-person for purposes of this discussion.
I wonder how many of you guys had ANY problems saying gypsy 5 years ago or so (no clue when people started saying "Romani"), before the media manipulated you into thinking it's such a degrading word. It's funny how easy people get manipulated and i look upon people giving others shit for saying gypsy as major fucking hypocrites as i'm sure as hell you didn't have any problems with saying it yourself before.
Same goes for "Dwarf" and any word people suddenly in their weak minds find offensive. And again i bet it's not the actual dwarfs who initially complained about it.
I bet it's not many gypsies who have ever complained about it, just silly white people needing to do a good thing in order to feel better about themselves. It's not even a fucking race, but a group of people living a specific lifestyle. If i'm not mistaken there have been or might even be gypsies of different countries.
I know i'm going to get shit for this, but i don't really care.
If someone sees a black guy and says "oh did you see that neger just walk the street" without any kind of smirk etc that would be considered a very poor choice of words and highly offensive in the presence of a black guy (thats not a friend in on the joke etc).
obviously not from sweden myself.
but here, randomly saying "oh did you see that black guy just walk the street" when you had no reason to point out their race wouldn't be considered all that acceptable either. you are obviously saying it because of some stereotype you have about black guys.
but that is far from saying nigger. but I think nigger is a word started in n. america, so i would also imagine people from sweden would confuse the two because they sound similar.
so your both right, so stop arguing ffs
Thats not at all whats this about mate. In Denmark and Sweden the word neger has the same negative reinforcement as nigger elsewhere. Ankh says that he has no problem using the word neger and I say thats wrong and point to why that is (Frant got it right tho).
Well, I have lived in Sweden (Malmö) for almost all my life, moved here from Poland when I was a child. And in the circles i move around in, the word Neger is the equivalent of Nigger and is NOT socially acceptable.
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