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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | MORPHINEUS wrote: | Edit:
Without disrespect: some nations in Europe (when you go more east) still need to go through a lot of stuff that they are a bit behind on. In time it will change and you'll see what happened in central/north Europe. |
I don't want to be rude, but this is stupid. This problem with rabid believers is not related to backwater east and progressive west/north, it's related to Catholicism only, because Catholicism is based on GUILT. Kids (which are raised as Catholic Christians) are learned from small age that they are born guilty from the sin of the first man, and this creates a big psychological impact if a person is not strong enough to break those "chains" (e.g. not inteligent enough or simply raised too strictly, so she becomes a grown up person living in constant fear of damnation in hell). This is not the case with Protestantism and Ortodox church. There is a lot of literature on this topic, even wikipedia explains it. Especially in eastern European countries where Ortodox church is dominant, religion is a joke because popes don't make a big fuss about you being damned from the birth and 95% of so called believers are giving lip service.
The reason Scandinavians don't give a shit about this is due to Christianity was never strong there in the first place. So please read some more about differences between Christian churches (I consider myself to be an agnostic, but this topic is very interesting to me because it explains many events from history). |
So the whole problem with the Church is the Original sin? 
Anyway i fail to see what's the difference if they are doing lip service or not. They still go. Actually i don't even know if i ever met someone who i would consider a true believer. Most people i know are religious only when it suits them and usually they justify their poor behavior with religion and i feel these are the worst. Saying that religion is a joke in Serbia...well maybe the practice of it, but i wonder how many would classify themselves as religions? I'd bet a lot (im too lazy to check). Not to mention bad mouthing the church in Serbia isn't a good idea...
Scandinavia was Christianized around 1000 years ago. So you're saying they basically weren't into it? The whole continental Europe was subject to some kind of reformation, somewhere it stuck, somewhere it didn't. And to me the poor east/progressive west is a much more valid hypothesis than Original Sin....
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Apr 2014 20:05 Post subject: |
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Well for a start, there's no such thing as organized going to church on Sunday morning in Serbia (or at least I haven't met anyone who is doing it in my life). Also, badmouthing church is not a good idea in front of football huligans, taxi drivers and similar idiots. Other people genuinely don't give a shit, except maybe too sick or too old people who remember god only when death comes near. Sometime in the nineties, it became a sort of "fashion" to be religious after decades of false communism etc, but it's fading out. Maybe young parents sometime take kids to church but that's mostly because, let's say, church is the only institution which "survived" centuries here compared to everything else which failed over time, but that's not genuine belief, it's more like tradition for the sake of tradition.
AFAIK, Chirstianity in Scandinavia was always considered to be "alien" and forcefully brought religion.
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Apr 2014 20:10 Post subject: Re: Religion and family... |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: |
I bring this up because tomorrow is easter. As usually we are going to a church at 8am on sunday easter but this year I've said that I will not go. my mother went totally apeshit. Started yelling at me, that I am a stupid fuck and so on so on. She also said that COMPUTER made me the terrible way I am and .. |
Reminds me of the time when I was ~16 and I did the same. Hard in the beginning, but at some point they'll accept it. There will be less and arguing till at some point a simple no will be enough when the question for church will come up.
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Apr 2014 20:28 Post subject: |
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the sooner in life u say no to retarded people the more u will enjoy your own, they lied to u when u grew up about santa n shit, who are they who lied to their loved ones, hypocritss
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Apr 2014 20:54 Post subject: |
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Seems like you have a mother problem, not a religion problem.
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Apr 2014 21:12 Post subject: |
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | AFAIK, Chirstianity in Scandinavia was always considered to be "alien" and forcefully brought religion. |
You did make the Scandinavian bit a bit too important tho, my impression was mostly based on Belgium (and it's surrounding countries). 31 years living over there and just 1,5 here in Sweden. That's why I used the word 'seems' in that sentence nor did I want to base my statement on it due to it indeed being more of a 'pagan' country to begin with.  |
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Apr 2014 13:44 Post subject: |
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That's why most people don't live with their parents after twenty something.
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Apr 2014 20:44 Post subject: |
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It makes sense to respect what she believes KC. After all it's a personal choice, if you can establish an understanding that no one is trying to convert each other than that is a big win compared to before 
Now let's hope you two can have a better relationship
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| Posted: Sat, 26th Apr 2014 21:50 Post subject: |
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| MORPHINEUS wrote: | It makes sense to respect what she believes KC. After all it's a personal choice, if you can establish an understanding that no one is trying to convert each other than that is a big win compared to before
Now let's hope you two can have a better relationship |
| KillerCrocker wrote: | she is my mother ffs  |
The great misunderstanding with this sort of discussions is that people forget that respect is earned, it is not something that is intrinsically owed to others. And the means by which someone grants respect to someone else will vary from person to person, it will depend from our personal values, our tastes, and the sort of things and behaviors that we both admire or disdain.
With this I just want to say that there is nothing disrespectful about being religious, just as there isn't anything respectful about being a critical thinker, there is no universal or exterior guideline for measuring someones qualities or flaws, for that will depend entirely from the interpretation that each one of us makes from a certain person or situation.
Before being her son you are yourself, before being your mother she is herself. The kinship that you both share only comes after, but before any sort of social relation there exists only yourself, and in that regard, your considerations and personality comes before everything else, even your mother or your sons.
What I think its disrespectful of both ourselves and others is to open exceptions based on personal affiliations, if we fundamentally disagree or feel shameful of someone because of their identity, personality and value systems, we should act on it, not prostitute ourselves because it is our father or our son, our sick friend or our dying brother. I do believe that contexts are irrelevant, everything that matters is that we are true to ourselves, and in my view when we're opening the exception from special circumstance we're not only being untrue to ourselves but we're in fact disrespecting ourselves and above all, our integrity.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Apr 2014 00:49 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | Tho I got to terms with my mother... she wants me to respect everything she does even if I don't believe in it. whatever sense it makes  |
I think I know what she means.
Every time she tells you to attend the mass, or eat jesus' body with some Chianti or confess your sins and weird masturbatory habits to pervert 60 yo men, you must obey, as a sign of respect. Otherwise no Oculus Rift v.2.0 for you!  |
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Apr 2014 01:30 Post subject: |
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 Son I am proud
She might be a lil' bit annoying about the religious stuff, but I'm pretty sure the whole thing won't be an issue, even if your views are diametrically opposite. Just tell her :"Mom, Jesus would want our differences to coexist pacifically, so that love always prevails. Let me give you a hug" and she'll go all "aww yes!!". No more problems/divergences  |
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Apr 2014 01:50 Post subject: |
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Like a true Kurwa!
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