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| WaldoJ wrote: | | _untouchable_ wrote: | None of the videos even begin to explain that, central, part of the movie. As I said Neil's "explanation" really can't be called that, all of that could be formulated by a child - "it's a higher dimension"... whatever. And the watch, omg the watch, it's so mind numbingly retarded. How does the gravity "encode" data into the watch? How does the watch keep on doing its thing once Cooper stops affecting it? If Cooper had such a control over gravity why didn't he just pick up a pen and write something down? Why didn't he just tap onto her hand or something? There's a whole bunch of other stuff that is just as dumb - he wanted to stop himself from going yet he gave the coordinates to NASA - again, he knew the word "STAY" didn't work out yet he did it all over again. He came out of a black hole and still at the same age as Brand etc etc etc
The movie itself is not bad at all, I give it 7/10, some really nice acting and special effects, but it just tries too hard to be taken seriously. |
Lol wat?
Stay bit was emotional cause he lost all hope and thought that it would stop him
Then he thought he had to do all that stupid coordinates shit to finally understand that it was him doing it all along. To understand how to send a message.
The watch thing he didn't 'encode' a message he was typing out a message and a second hand is a constant moving part that he could manipulate using the strings of time to send a message. It's not retarded. And since it's something she would obviously come back for... And the watch doesn't continue doing its thing... He stops when all the data is sent. That's it. He can only affect whatever is in that room.
The other dimension part is awesome. Needing explanation for that when straightforward dialogue explained it all. srs? If you want more explanation take on physics at school lol. |
yup , since all he could do in that dimension was manipulation of magnetic forces = gravity ... so he used it to create quakes to send messengers and then he tried something different ... it was a clever thing , as of now scientist will say the only thing that can go back in time are three things : Gravity , Consciousness and Particles
and they did all those 3 in this movie ... |
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Some people cannot just cannot be bothered to even pay attention 
It is already established that the rift in gravity remains after it is created (Cooper throws a coin long after the coordinate lines appear and it falls hard), or that the rifts are not tiny, they influence a large zone (the combines going crazy all around the house).
But leave to ____underpable____ to not notice even the largest of things. 
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shhh
Nolan knows how to write basics so that even the derps could understand...
his pacing just sucks
movie would have been better if they added an additional hour
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2015 20:20 Post subject: |
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it needed more aSS 
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 18:06 Post subject: |
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lol @ all the derps gathering yet failing to provide a single coherent answer
"bbbuuuut I was told it was full of science so I must worship it and suck Nolans cock"
"it was a higher dimension, thats all science that one needs to know!!1"
u funny guys
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| difm wrote: | Shhhh... if it's not published by rt.com, it's stupid  |
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 19:33 Post subject: |
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 Spoiler: | One of the few things I didn't understand is how anyone Cooper knew is still alive when he returned from the black hole. I mean during the one maneuver where he tried to propel Endurance away from black hole, he said "This little maneuver is gonna cost us 51 years", but when he detached from Endurance and entered black hole further it must've cost him even more than 51 years. So it's surprising he managed to meet his daughter (albeit very old) or that one of the last scenes we saw Dr. Brand on exploring the second planet while she looked as young as she was before Cooper entered black hole. |
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| tolanri wrote: | | Spoiler: | One of the few things I didn't understand is how anyone Cooper knew is still alive when he returned from the black hole. I mean during the one maneuver where he tried to propel Endurance away from black hole, he said "This little maneuver is gonna cost us 51 years", but when he detached from Endurance and entered black hole further it must've cost him even more than 51 years. So it's surprising he managed to meet his daughter (albeit very old) or that one of the last scenes we saw Dr. Brand on exploring the second planet while she looked as young as she was before Cooper entered black hole. |
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I didn't like it either, but since he touched the hand, I understood somehow the Gargantua black hole was linked into the wormhole, and they didn't lose time around the wormhole, so I assumed it was some kind of a shortcut out of the relativity. |
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 20:19 Post subject: |
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| _untouchable_ wrote: |
"bbbuuuut I was told it was full of science so I must worship it and suck Nolans cock"
"it was a higher dimension, thats all science that one needs to know!!1"
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What you don't seem to get is that there is science behind the ideas of the movie but it not being a scientific movie at all. There are hundreds of videos on youtube explaining where some of the ideas came from, same like they did with gravity.
I told you: go look it up if you are interested in it. I don't share the view that this movie is being taken too seriously tho. Most of the people I hear are talking of the science behind the ideas and not the science of the movie itself.
Which is great since it sparks some interest. If you can't grasp the fact that it had 'frontier science' as a base and then made into a more 'spectacular' version for a science fiction movie... Well this discussion you have about it will never end. 
I'll give you this tho:
If anyone is actually saying this movie is scientific (as in not based on it) well... sorry but that is rather derp.
In the end, you give me the same impression as in the Ruskie thread... close minded with not a real intention to look past your own view (tho I'm sure you convinced yourself the others don't ).
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 20:25 Post subject: |
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| Yondaime wrote: | The biggest problem with the movie is still:
| Spoiler: | That without the wormhole, the transcendent future humans do not exist.
And if they don't exist, then the wormhole can't exist, since they (according the what's heavily implied in the movie) created said wormhole.
And if the wormhole doesn't exist, then Cooper doesn't send the gravity solution to humanity and humanity dies.
There is only one way humanity survives and that is for the wormhole to be created but it's a paradox. They can't just create themselves out of nothing, there has to be an origin... But there can't be an origin without the wormhole since that would imply humanity survived without it and coopers journey, which would make the whole thing pointless and mean that the wormhole was pointless.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie for a lot of reasons but this thing right here annoyed me the moment I saw it in the cinema the first time. It's so obvious. Some people, when I've confronted them with this claim it's alright because they're transcendent humans, they work on higher dimensions and bla bla bla bla. Those are just extremely lazy excuses for having no explanation to absolve this paradox.
The only explanation that makes sense is that the wormhole was not created by future humans, but by some other third party whos existence is not reliant on the survival of humanity itself. But it's heavily implied from Coopers speech inside the black hole "facility" that it is indeed done by future humans. |
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Who had proof it was placed by humans? That was just a guess from them in the movie.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Mar 2015 20:28 Post subject: |
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| Yondaime wrote: | The biggest problem with the movie is still:
| Spoiler: | That without the wormhole, the transcendent future humans do not exist.
And if they don't exist, then the wormhole can't exist, since they (according the what's heavily implied in the movie) created said wormhole.
And if the wormhole doesn't exist, then Cooper doesn't send the gravity solution to humanity and humanity dies.
There is only one way humanity survives and that is for the wormhole to be created but it's a paradox. They can't just create themselves out of nothing, there has to be an origin... But there can't be an origin without the wormhole since that would imply humanity survived without it and coopers journey, which would make the whole thing pointless and mean that the wormhole was pointless.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie for a lot of reasons but this thing right here annoyed me the moment I saw it in the cinema the first time. It's so obvious. Some people, when I've confronted them with this claim it's alright because they're transcendent humans, they work on higher dimensions and bla bla bla bla. Those are just extremely lazy excuses for having no explanation to absolve this paradox.
The only explanation that makes sense is that the wormhole was not created by future humans, but by some other third party whos existence is not reliant on the survival of humanity itself. But it's heavily implied from Coopers speech inside the black hole "facility" that it is indeed done by future humans. |
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| Spoiler: | I thought the very same thing. A friend who happens to be a big fan of this movie suggested that it may be created by humans from another dimension who somehow weren't affected or survived the earth. |
Either way that theory is 
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| Lathieza wrote: | | Yondaime wrote: | The biggest problem with the movie is still:
| Spoiler: | That without the wormhole, the transcendent future humans do not exist.
And if they don't exist, then the wormhole can't exist, since they (according the what's heavily implied in the movie) created said wormhole.
And if the wormhole doesn't exist, then Cooper doesn't send the gravity solution to humanity and humanity dies.
There is only one way humanity survives and that is for the wormhole to be created but it's a paradox. They can't just create themselves out of nothing, there has to be an origin... But there can't be an origin without the wormhole since that would imply humanity survived without it and coopers journey, which would make the whole thing pointless and mean that the wormhole was pointless.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie for a lot of reasons but this thing right here annoyed me the moment I saw it in the cinema the first time. It's so obvious. Some people, when I've confronted them with this claim it's alright because they're transcendent humans, they work on higher dimensions and bla bla bla bla. Those are just extremely lazy excuses for having no explanation to absolve this paradox.
The only explanation that makes sense is that the wormhole was not created by future humans, but by some other third party whos existence is not reliant on the survival of humanity itself. But it's heavily implied from Coopers speech inside the black hole "facility" that it is indeed done by future humans. |
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Who had proof it was placed by humans? That was just a guess from them in the movie. |
+1 As I understood it, that was just Matthew getting cocky #alrightalright
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| garus wrote: | | Yondaime wrote: | The biggest problem with the movie is still:
| Spoiler: | That without the wormhole, the transcendent future humans do not exist.
And if they don't exist, then the wormhole can't exist, since they (according the what's heavily implied in the movie) created said wormhole.
And if the wormhole doesn't exist, then Cooper doesn't send the gravity solution to humanity and humanity dies.
There is only one way humanity survives and that is for the wormhole to be created but it's a paradox. They can't just create themselves out of nothing, there has to be an origin... But there can't be an origin without the wormhole since that would imply humanity survived without it and coopers journey, which would make the whole thing pointless and mean that the wormhole was pointless.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie for a lot of reasons but this thing right here annoyed me the moment I saw it in the cinema the first time. It's so obvious. Some people, when I've confronted them with this claim it's alright because they're transcendent humans, they work on higher dimensions and bla bla bla bla. Those are just extremely lazy excuses for having no explanation to absolve this paradox.
The only explanation that makes sense is that the wormhole was not created by future humans, but by some other third party whos existence is not reliant on the survival of humanity itself. But it's heavily implied from Coopers speech inside the black hole "facility" that it is indeed done by future humans. |
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Your biggest problem was a regular time-travelling paradox? |
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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The greatest problem with this movie was not scientific, it was artistic. It had terrible pacing, and some terrible characters as well. TBH, I was really hyped for the movie, watched it the day it came out in cinemas, was kind if disappointed. Wasn't a bad movie, but it wasn't good either.
In any science-fiction movie, you can suspend your disbelief, if the universe presented is consistent int its laws. I think this movie was consistent, but it lacked ... well, it just wasn't that interesting.
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About the time travel paradox: most time travel movies, that are worth watching (and there's not so many of them, tbh) tackle this paradox in some way and another. I found no problem at all understanding it.
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| Radicalus wrote: | | The greatest problem with this movie was : terrible pacing. |
Fixed
Welcome to Nolan world of movie making . His Batmans had the same shit , great movies but terrible story pacing ... Inception same thing ... his movies are great and grip your heart but have terrible story progression |
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The time thing as to them finding him within seconds of him going bye bye world can be attributed to that he was in the 5th for all of time until deemed necessary. The construct falling apart because his mission was a succes. It's all implied throguh dialogue of someone who had to figure out how to use Gravity to communicate. Who built it? They.
Just because the characters say what it is doesnt necessarily make it so. It's them jumping to conclusions within the story without fact. Here's a character who just went into the 5th and automatically assumes humans built it.
Who's they? Who knows. Is it us from the future? Maybe?
The whole he was sent up there to send himself back there loop thing is all what came first chicken or the egg? It can be assumed that someone else sent him there as well with others (as they were all joy to the world the girl said gravity! She knows something) so with their expressions it has happened elsewhere.
As to the whole why she young? she prolly was in the thing too long and she only aged 10 years on the planet. She's a yooth to begin with. So lets say they were near the garg long enough for his daughter to age enough to be just a dying old person. And add on top of that the months of getting to planet. And settling down. And restarting humen race. 10 years or so if I recall. so it's plausible.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2015 15:57 Post subject: |
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Even simplest "play with time-continuum" movie such as Back to the Future or Terminator have to deal with paradoxes, without anyway to find a reliable "egg vs. chichen" solution, but this is far beyond point anyway.
Although, using a multiverse solution there's a way to make all thes plot work.
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Well he was communicated.
Like to me all I can think of is all the foreshadowing where she talks about 5th dimension and what they think time is. Could be a mountain they climb and such. And the whole talk about love transcending time. So for derpy derp derp when he was all plop and gone and done in black it was love that built the construct and since they told him about 5th and what can go through time... His mind and his heart and his love for his daughter were what built the construct and allowed to message through time.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2015 16:58 Post subject: |
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Arguing about these paradox stuff (or alleged plot holes) is still like arguing if that spinning top was about to tip off or not: the right answer is "who gives a shit about it".
The "why" still overpasses the "how".
As Planet of the Apes is simply not about time traveling, or Battlestar Galactica is not about evil robots trying to kill the human race, Interstellar is not about time travelling, again.
What I personally dislike is as LOVE could be used as 5th dimensional constant: as a sci-fi fan that is actually derpy, even beyond 6th dimension.
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The best way to fix the paradox is if they had Matthew chase someone through the halls of time. And we would never see who it is until Mathew realizes where he is.
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The whole love through dimensions and time is so tacky 
It doesn't matter where the person is (4th or 5th dimension, here on Earth or in another galaxy), if the person's 'love' doesn't change, right?
There are people in love with their god ffs, so what does that say about love? That it's nothing but chemistry in ones head?
I didn't see it that way, however, how it was depicted in the movie. It was just a strong bond between 2 people, and with only crude means to communicate, you need people with strong affection/empathy to understand the little things.
(but you might even argue that 2 arch nemesises, who know each other thoroughly, could do that as well, so it's not even about love at all  ). Imo, of course 
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | | There are people in love with their god ffs, so what does that say about love? That it's nothing but chemistry in ones head? |
It means that you will be able to find your loved god in the seventh dimension, where such possible universes exist that have a omnipotent omniscient omnipresent god who is jealous when people it created in its image choose to believe in a different god. |
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