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sabin27,
I doubt there is hate around pointed twards your ego. The replies you get are only the feedback of your attitude. And that attitude transpires quite some arrogance and superiority. Wait! Don't jump! Keep reading.
The fact that you are 27 doesn't prove too much. The fact that you fail to think that there are older and more experienced people than you when it comes to games proves a slight ignorance and raises the thought in your mind that you OWN. Just like the games you wrote about eh 
You also have failed to understand, in your looooong experienced life that people's preferences are subjective, based on personality, life experience etc. Thus the list of games you point as "owning" games is based on your OWN personality, wich, obviously, ain't the objective truth.
Also you seem to try to force people into acception your opinion as THE ONLY ONE there. But I never saw anyone bashing you for loving Space Siege and disliking Morrowing, a game superior in many ways (except looks and the easiness of playing) to Oblivion. Those were YOUR choices and the rest should simply respect them, even if they dont' agree with you, but you also must understand that even if they are your choices that doesn't mean that on a larger scale they are the only ones to be accepted or even the RIGHT ones.
There is no problem with you, kid. You only need to lay down a bit your superior attitude and remember that by bashing things around you also may bash people's preferences. And that's not nice or even respectfull. Those people have the right to their options just like you do. Adding "plain and simple" to the list of your preferences shows a clear and indisputable judgement you already made on those games. And I guess we both now that there will be ALOT and I mean ALOT of people who will not share your thoughts.
Just take it easy and think that nothing is pointless. Not even my "pointy" message to you.
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Back on topic*cough*
Morrowind rules, Oblivion is souless and I still hope there will be a cow level in Diablo 3.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 15:25 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So you're going to attack me because I have a differing opinion than yours? Yep, that just about sums up the populace on this board. |
more or less what you're doing..
interesting how subjective opinions work isn't it?
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 15:50 Post subject: |
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Well Sabin I guess I fit into your little rant.
However first thing I would like to point out is that I have no care in the world for graphics. So long as it blends in well with the game its fine for me.
As for a storyline it should be better than the average movie. Think about it a movie is averagely about 2 hours within that 2 hours they have to pack in as much storyline as possible making it quite hard for a detailed story even more so if it the movie is based off a book. However with videogames the games like a RPG for example that takes 40+ hours thats 20X longer than a movie. Plus any good game takes time to make this gives plenty of time to work on a solid storyline.
| Quote: | | Fallout 3 is going to own. Plain and fucking simple. |
| Quote: | "Fallout 3 fucking sucks!!"
"Have you played it?"
"No, but it's Bethesda making it"
"So?"
"So they fucking suck and you fucking suck for not agreeing with me!!!" |
So its okay for you to prematurely say the game is going to "own" but clearly any criticism is unwarranted because we haven't played it? Well heres a damn clue neither have you so who are you to praise it? Hypocritical of you.
The reason why I don't expect Fallout 3 to be good is because I like many people that can look past graphics didn't like Oblivion. The AI was horrible. The quests were boring. The main plot uninteresting, the world was dull. I think it would be unfair to ourselves and putting to much weight on Bethesda's shoulders to expect anything better when it comes to Fallout 3.
| Quote: | "I hate Space Siege"
"Why?"
"Because I can't use WSAD to move!!!!! Cry Cry Cry Cry" |
Haven't played it yet. Though I tend to use the mouse on those types of games anyways so that certainly is a odd complaint to me...
| Quote: | "Mass Effect sucks balls!! Bioware should be fucking sued for making such an awful game! I want my 4hrs of gameplay time back!!"
"Why do you say that?"
"Because I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE white, blue and red conversation choices!! I want to be able to influence the story with the powah of my miiiiiiiiiind!!!!!"
"DIAF" |
The game play was dull. The AI was horrible. Repetitive enemies that are presented as new when they are the same damn thing just recolored (you know the ones I'm talking about can't recall what they were all called in the game) The storyline was laughable at best. The gameplay itself being dull is warrant enough to deem it a bad game as gameplay is the most important thing as it is a video game after all. Its no wonder why they put in sex in the game.
| Quote: | | It's obvious most people don't even LIKE videogames, hence the constant bashing and slagging-off of every game on the market. So why don't you just sell your consoles or your PCs .. get a damned rocking-chair and go sit in front of the fire, whining about "back in my day.." |
Just because some of us demand quality doesn't mean we don't like the the form of entertainment that we may may dislike at times. What your basically saying is if one person doesn't like every Rock song then they don't even like Rock n Roll which of course is untrue. People who have realistic and fair criticism towards a game are obviously are the ones who like videogames more than anyone as we have standards.
A game doesn't have to be perfect it just has to overall be good. Why should we hold our tongue if its not? Why should we smile and act like it was good when it wasn't?
I'm not going to lower my standards especially as low as yours obviously are. Besides don't you realize by lowering our standards we will only get more bad games as they won't need to try as hard to get the sales. Your method of accepting everything as gold when its dung will only give us dung.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 15:54 Post subject: |
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Quality!? You're fucking joking, you've got to be!!! You go on about demanding quality -- and we get trash like Crysis or the newest season of Madden. Yeah, that's real fucking quality that is.
Quality is games like "Call of Duty 4" -- yet there are people who slag THAT off!! I mean, Jesus .. what does it take to impress you people these days!? Oh wait, nevermind, GRAPHICS.
"Crysis rules"
"You mean in spite of the crippled and shoddy AI, the lacklustre story, the same boring jungle environments?"
"Yeah, it looks beautiful!! You just hate it because you can't run it, noob!"
"Go fuck yourself, sheep"
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 16:12 Post subject: |
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Never thought that there might be ppl that don't care about (what you consider) quality, and only care about graphics.
Opinions are like assholes, we all have them and they all stink.
But you seem to think like this:
Opinions are like assholes everyone has one...some stink more than others
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 16:13 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | Quality is games like "Call of Duty 4" -- yet there are people who slag THAT off!! |
The only thing I have against COD4, but that unfortunately kills the game for me, is the heavily scripted single player; the GFX are pretty good and the performance is amazing, the story is good too, but those scripted sequences kill the game for me.
I won't say that it sucks tho, cause I really think it doesn't; but the scripted stuff was a really bad decision IMO.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 16:16 Post subject: |
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| Karmeck wrote: |
But you seem to think like this:
Opinions are like assholes everyone has one...some stink more than others |
Precisely, because it's true. Some opinions stink more than others. I am NOT saying mine is perfect or the only one, I'm just offering a counter-argument to the constant "this game is shit because it doesn't give me free blowjobs" nonsense.
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Surray
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 16:27 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | "Crysis rules"
"You mean in spite of the crippled and shoddy AI, the lacklustre story, the same boring jungle environments?"
"Yeah, it looks beautiful!! You just hate it because you can't run it, noob!"
"Go fuck yourself, sheep" |
I played crysis on low with 1 or 2 settings on medium when it came out because my graphics card couldn't take it.
It didn't look too good, but I still completed it. it was a good game. I had fun.
I didn't complete CoD4 btw eventhough I could run it on max settings.
I think I was relatively close to the end but I was getting sick of the lame *unlimited amount of enemies spawning out of nowhere* crap.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 16:48 Post subject: |
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ITT, Sabin and his hypocritical, skewed and illogical 'arguments'.
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 16:50 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:03 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | Quality!? You're fucking joking, you've got to be!!! You go on about demanding quality -- and we get trash like Crysis or the newest season of Madden. Yeah, that's real fucking quality that is.
Quality is games like "Call of Duty 4" -- yet there are people who slag THAT off!! I mean, Jesus .. what does it take to impress you people these days!? Oh wait, nevermind, GRAPHICS.
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Yes of course we get trash like Crysis. Why do you think we get games like Crysis that sell over a million copies and it would have sold allot more if it were on consoles. People like yourself who settle for games like Oblivion as overall good are the problem. You keep setting the bar lower and lower and of course the games keep getting worse and worse. While I'm glad you haven't lowered your standards to Crysis yet its only a matter of time before you end up praising a game just like it. Its just as much as your fault as the developers who made the damn thing because you support it.
Its just like those horrible parody movies that have been coming out lately like Meet the Spartans or Epic movie. Why do you think they keep coming out with such shitty parodies over and over again? Because idiots with low standards go to see it over and over again. The idiots keep it alive and so they will keep making them. They are simply going to get rushed faster and faster and the movies are going to get worse and worse.
Videogames are facing the same thing sadly.
Call of Duty 4 wasn't perfect and it deserves some minor criticism however it is overall a good game. People voicing that they don't like certain things should be heard by the developers so that the same won't be repeated next time. Constructive criticism is a good thing. Also don't label me as a graphics whore I already expressed that I don't care about them. Many of my favorite games aren't even 3D.
| Quote: | "Crysis rules"
"You mean in spite of the crippled and shoddy AI, the lacklustre story, the same boring jungle environments?"
"Yeah, it looks beautiful!! You just hate it because you can't run it, noob!"
"Go fuck yourself, sheep" |
Its clear that you represent the one who dislikes Crysis in your little fictional conversation.
What really gets me though is you use the same criticism on Crysis (which I 100% agree with you on) as I do on Oblivion , MassEffect, and more than likely Fallout 3. Why are are you willing to see the flaws in that game but refuse to acknowledge the SAME fatal flaws in the games you like to praise. They have the same fucking problems!
For christ sakes man your sniffing a horses dung likes its a flower while rejecting the donkey's dung like the shit it is.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:11 Post subject: |
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Stupid people are people too and they too deserve their needs catered
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:17 Post subject: |
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So you're basically doing what you're telling ME off for doing; criticising me and blaming me for the downfall of gaming. Where's the logic in that?
*YOU* think Oblivion sucks. A couple million other gamers disagree with you. As do I. I thoroughly enjoyed Oblivion and the mods make it 10x better too, whereas Morrowind - IMO - is buggy trash. Am I allowed to voice that opinion without being hated on? Apparently not. Why is my opinion frowned upon while yours isn't? Just take a look at the replies in this thread, ffs! I am getting HAMMERED by almost everyone, all of whom detest FO3 before it's even out. I voiced legitimate complaints about the gaming world in general .. and I'm hated for it.
I'm not saying FO3 is going to be the best game ever. I'm not saying Mass Effect was the best game ever - what I AM saying is neither deserve the intense hatred spat at them. I am fully capable of seeing flaws in games, even my favourite ones, but the opposite isn't true for you guys. Not one of you can admit that those games have GOOD points too.
| korkin wrote: | | Stupid people are people too and they too deserve their needs catered |
More personal attacks? What's the matter, can't reason without resorting to "name calling"?
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:19 Post subject: |
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"korkin wrote:
Stupid people are people too and they too deserve their needs catered
More personal attacks? What's the matter, can't reason without resorting to "name calling"?"
Think he meant that as a joke as stupid ppl watch those parody movies.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:23 Post subject: |
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I know what he meant but I also know what was implied.
I have strong opinions and most people can't handle that. I won't apologise for it, because I shouldn't have to - I'm just voicing a legitimate complaint about the gaming industry in general. People are hating for the sake of hating and I have no idea why.
Personal opinion is all well and good. Don't like Space Siege? Fine! Don't like it, that's your prerogative. But claiming the game is "absolute shite" and has nothing going for it is just stupid. Oh and I'm using SS as an example, nothing more. The same argument could be applied to any number of games that were slated for no more than the smallest reasons, if any at all.
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Surray
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:26 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | I have strong opinions and most people can't handle that. I won't apologise for it, because I shouldn't have to - I'm just voicing a legitimate complaint about the gaming industry in general. People are hating for the sake of hating and I have no idea why. |
But you're doing it too! You just happen to bash other games that YOU personally didn't enjoy.
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:29 Post subject: |
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"I have strong opinions and most people can't handle that."
I think you as well have a problem with ppl going against you're opinion and you for some strange reason have to take it personal and feel some need to down talk their option instead as something bad instead of respecting it and at least try to understand it.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:31 Post subject: |
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Yes, but I am also capable of admitting that these games have GOOD points to them. I'm not needlessly hating, I'm voicing an opinion. Go and read some of the comments around other games like CoD4 or Space Siege.
"I hate CoD4 because it's scripted" -- What the fuck!? The entire SERIES was scripted! It's designed that way! Come to think of it, 90% of all FPSes in the WORLD are scripted! Not every fucking game can be non-linear. You don't hear people complaining about "Super Mario Bros 3" and how "scripted it is" --- Awww man, you mean I have to beat that boss to get past that castle? That's not fair!!
Space Siege complaints include the preposterously ridiculous "I can't move with WSAD" -- Whaaaaaaaaa??? It's a SIEGE game, for crying out loud!! Those games were ALWAYS mouse-controlled! *sigh*
You can't honestly say you don't get my point, can you? :-\
For the most part, yeah, I agree .. tastes differ from person to person. It's just lately everything seems to be "hating for the sake of hating"
| Karmeck wrote: | "I have strong opinions and most people can't handle that."
I think you as well have a problem with ppl going against you're opinion and you for some strange reason have to take it personal and feel some need to down talk their option instead as something bad instead of respecting it and at least try to understand it. |
People going against my opinion? Of course I have problems with that! It's *my* opinion, it's not up for debate! The same could be said for anyone else in this thread! Go take a look; all opinions and everyone whining about how I should respect theirs while they conveniently IGNORE and ATTACK mine!
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:31 Post subject: |
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"I think you as well have a problem with ppl going against you're opinion and you for some strange reason have to take it personal and feel some need to down talk their option instead as something bad instead of respecting it and at least try to understand it."
I agree.
Gustave the Steel
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:34 Post subject: |
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*sighs*
I'm sorry, but it looks like I've been proven right. I've struck a nerve and, like everyone does when they get called out on something they take offense to, you're all just lashing out at me.
I apologise if I hurt your feelings. Feel free to criticise and attack me all you wish, if that's what it takes to make yourselves feel better.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:44 Post subject: |
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Space Siege complaints include the preposterously ridiculous "I can't move with WSAD" -- Whaaaaaaaaa??? It's a SIEGE game, for crying out loud!! Those games were ALWAYS mouse-controlled!
Those games also always had big skill trees and an inventory system with various loot for the player to collect.
Space Siege isn't one of those games.
In fact Space Siege is closer to Shadowgrounds in both design and structure than Dungeon Siege.
Even the developers have mentioned that the game is an Action RPG with a very heavy emphasis on action. As such, game functions like 'dodge' come out clumsily and the game suffers because of it. Dodging just doesn't feel right, and the implementation isn't very logical.
Making use of the keyboard to move, like Shadowgrounds, would have been more in line with the game they were trying to create, which was not a Siege game in design and structure.
Gustave the Steel
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:45 Post subject: |
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"People going against my opinion? Of course I have problems with that! It's *my* opinion, it's not up for debate! The same could be said for anyone else in this thread! Go take a look; all opinions and everyone whining about how I should respect theirs while they conveniently IGNORE and ATTACK mine!"
It's called being polite, you listen to what other have to say, you don't agree you may say that, they start saying hate, shit,fuck, then you turn away and ignore them. You do not a topic about it, just to prove you are right in you're view, then you are as bad as them.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 17:47 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | Space Siege complaints include the preposterously ridiculous "I can't move with WSAD" -- Whaaaaaaaaa??? It's a SIEGE game, for crying out loud!! Those games were ALWAYS mouse-controlled!
Those games also always had big skill trees and an inventory system with various loot for the player to collect.
Space Siege isn't one of those games.
In fact Space Siege is closer to Shadowgrounds in both design and structure than Dungeon Siege.
Even the developers have mentioned that the game is an Action RPG with a very heavy emphasis on action. As such, game functions like 'dodge' come out clumsily and the game suffers because of it. Dodging just doesn't feel right, and the implementation isn't very logical.
Making use of the keyboard to move, like Shadowgrounds, would have been more in line with the game they were trying to create, which was not a Siege game in design and structure. |
Yet here I am, able to complete the game using the mouse movement controls -- and I didn't die ONCE. How's that for clumsiness?
I won't deny the vast similarities to "Shadowgrounds" - but I will remind you that Space Siege *isn't* Shadowgrouns!
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 18:01 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | So you're basically doing what you're telling ME off for doing; criticising me and blaming me for the downfall of gaming. Where's the logic in that?
*YOU* think Oblivion sucks. A couple million other gamers disagree with you. As do I. I thoroughly enjoyed Oblivion and the mods make it 10x better too, whereas Morrowind - IMO - is buggy trash. Am I allowed to voice that opinion without being hated on? Apparently not. Why is my opinion frowned upon while yours isn't? Just take a look at the replies in this thread, ffs! I am getting HAMMERED by almost everyone, all of whom detest FO3 before it's even out. I voiced legitimate complaints about the gaming world in general .. and I'm hated for it.
I'm not saying FO3 is going to be the best game ever. I'm not saying Mass Effect was the best game ever - what I AM saying is neither deserve the intense hatred spat at them. I am fully capable of seeing flaws in games, even my favourite ones, but the opposite isn't true for you guys. Not one of you can admit that those games have GOOD points too.
| korkin wrote: | | Stupid people are people too and they too deserve their needs catered |
More personal attacks? What's the matter, can't reason without resorting to "name calling"? |
You seem to be misunderstanding me completely. Your criticism of games is fine. However your praise of video games that suffer from the same problems as the games you criticize is just something I can't understand.
If I were to say I dislike Italians and then turned around and claimed to love Al Pacino don't you see a little problem with that? Because thats exactly what your doing right now. Oblivion suffers some many of the major problems that Crysis also did yet you hate one while praising the other.
Your argument has also seemed to have completely random on this topic now. You start off bashing people who have criticism towards games. Then you open criticize Crysis and Morrowind and act like a victim because people argue with you when you criticize them. You seriously seem like your bi polar.
Also I would like to point out that Oblivion was a graphics whore game thats why it has so many people who like it and why it was such a hit even on the consoles. Thats the only reason why you will get so many people to defend it. As far as gameplay or story it fails.
Also a game should never be judged on its mods its not up to nor should it be expected for the modding community to make a game good.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 18:18 Post subject: |
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SOMEONE! PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE IT ESCALATES INTO WORLD WAR 4!
oh wait, forgot about Russia and Georgia. Err...
WORLD WAR 5!
"YARR! We be stealin' yer games an plundrin' yer gold!" sez the pirate.
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There's no other explanation for the amount of hate and vitriol people heap on me.
