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Its fixed into only partial stupid people speak.
Tran i could say the same thing about communism being good.
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Feb 2006 19:39 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: |
Tran i could say the same thing about communism being good. |
You're ight you could do. However it would not be significant. Im not saying my argumentation is flawless. Still i gave the reasons for my opinion.
The point is you say that communism is not good. Alright i respect your opinion, but what everyone (especially me) is interested in are the reasons why you come to that conclusion.
Yes there are many examples for communism gone wrong. But thats not the same as is communism is wrong itsself, isnt it ?
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Feb 2006 20:42 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: | Its fixed into only partial stupid people speak.
Tran i could say the same thing about communism being good. |
Well the only problem is your lack of constructive critisizm and good arguments.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006 13:41 Post subject: |
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| tRanSwarP wrote: | | kirkblitz wrote: |
Tran i could say the same thing about communism being good. |
You're ight you could do. However it would not be significant. Im not saying my argumentation is flawless. Still i gave the reasons for my opinion.
The point is you say that communism is not good. Alright i respect your opinion, but what everyone (especially me) is interested in are the reasons why you come to that conclusion.
Yes there are many examples for communism gone wrong. But thats not the same as is communism is wrong itsself, isnt it ? |
I think the burden of proof would be on the person who thinks communism is good because it has failed so many times. I can claim communism is bad because it fails.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006 16:23 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: | | tRanSwarP wrote: | | kirkblitz wrote: |
Tran i could say the same thing about communism being good. |
You're ight you could do. However it would not be significant. Im not saying my argumentation is flawless. Still i gave the reasons for my opinion.
The point is you say that communism is not good. Alright i respect your opinion, but what everyone (especially me) is interested in are the reasons why you come to that conclusion.
Yes there are many examples for communism gone wrong. But thats not the same as is communism is wrong itsself, isnt it ? |
I think the burden of proof would be on the person who thinks communism is good because it has failed so many times. I can claim communism is bad because it fails. |
Never said anything about commusnism as it have been promoted through Stalin, Mao etc was/is good. We simple state that the principle of communism is good, the principle of every man being equel. I think we all can agree that what Mao and Stalin did was bad, sadly enought they did it in the name of communism, still doesnt mean that everyone that believe in communism believes that the way they did it was right.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006 21:13 Post subject: |
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Your right they may not believe what stalin did was right, but people say facism is bad because of hitler. So that means facism is good if their is no hitler.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006 21:15 Post subject: |
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There are always people who will suffer under fascism.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 01:30 Post subject: |
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Mut: There are always people who will suffer under communism.
Communism may be about equality fracih but that doesnt mean crap in the real world.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 06:04 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: | Mut: There are always people who will suffer under communism.
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In theory: "no".
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 18:59 Post subject: |
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Your a idiot. How can you denie that no one would suffer? Someone will always suffer.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 19:16 Post subject: |
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If man sticked 100% on all things regarding communism then no one would suffer. We are still talking theories. Now if you ever try to look up communism then call me an idiot cause you clearly dont no tward about this issue.
And no Deelix if the system could maintain the proper line of ideology then noone would suffer, of course that is unrealistic
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 20:02 Post subject: |
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If man stuck 100% to communism someone still would suffer. What about the people that would lose what they had to make others come to the same plain of equality? Unless you mean everyone just gets their brain wiped and starts over.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 20:07 Post subject: |
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Dude we are still talking theory here, people had to adjust and give 100% to equality. Im saying (as I've said 50 times in this thread) that communism can't work out simply because man is too greedy and too self concentrated to be equal.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 23:12 Post subject: |
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If were talking theory then why are we talking? We werent talking theory until you got your butt handed to you and your stalinst ways.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 23:19 Post subject: |
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Communism sucks.
No one will tell me what to do or what should I share with others.
On the other hand a modest socialism which will let poor people to evolve will be good enough, though people should be able to get rich.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 23:21 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: | | If were talking theory then why are we talking? We werent talking theory until you got your butt handed to you and your stalinst ways. |
Because apparently you still dont get it... Communism make sure everyone has food, education, money etc. In theory and its you who says it sucks? Though apparently you are quite unaware what Communism is.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 23:22 Post subject: |
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| X_Dror wrote: | Communism sucks.
No one will tell me what to do or what should I share with others.
On the other hand a modest socialism which will let poor people to evolve will be good enough, though people should be able to get rich. |
Hence why communism can't be practised without flaws. But the theory behind it doesnt sucks its in fact a dream coming true to many beings.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 23:29 Post subject: |
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But no one is equal on the economical state.
I for example, like to evolve my "bussines skills" while my friends like to be simple employes at some company, and some just want to do nothing for the whole day.
Communism doesn't fit everybody, i don't want to be like the guy next door who's learning torah all day long or the guy from the supermarket because he did nothing with his life.
I will not work hard until i will know that i will gain a profit from what i will do and that i will not be like the others, who want other things which do not relate to money.
I want liberal-social approach, so people won't be too poor but people will still be able to get rich.
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| Posted: Wed, 22nd Feb 2006 23:37 Post subject: |
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Yeah, Communism might fit at these poor african countries, if their goverments wern't so corrupted.
For example, in the early days of Israel, we were kinda communistic, but only in the economical side.
For example almost anyone was a simple worker who built roads and cities and the others were usually soldiers or farmers.
After we had more money and our country was a bit more evolved we got lest socialistic and the economy became more liberal.
Though still socialism was very important (since alot of peope migrated to israel- more than 100% of the population)
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006 00:06 Post subject: |
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Communism is poor because it stifles cultural evolution. How can the culture evolve if everyone is like a clone of the other? What will make the poor man strive for greatness? Nothing why should he strive to grow when he gets everything handed to him? Why should someone strive to build great companies if their is no need to generate income?
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006 00:11 Post subject: |
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Ask you self this question, if you had all the money you would ever need you would, or atleast most people would, at some point do something just for the fun or pleasure of doing it, not for the money.
Not saying that all people today work for the money.
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| Posted: Thu, 23rd Feb 2006 06:09 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: | | Communism is poor because it stifles cultural evolution. How can the culture evolve if everyone is like a clone of the other? What will make the poor man strive for greatness? Nothing why should he strive to grow when he gets everything handed to him? Why should someone strive to build great companies if their is no need to generate income? |
I see you havent followed my wiki link yet... Please read it.
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), where as facism is under the goverment of one person. Which actually is Benitu Mussolini, not Hitler even though he is often an examples of such, which many other leaders are.
... Finally ... i almost gave up hope. 
