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| Mister_s wrote: | You make sense, I don't doubt that. Problem is that I cant buy the 2500K used so I'll have to dish out 110 euros more compared to the i5 750  |
I know, but trust me (and most here on the forums having that cpu) it's worth the extra money!
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2012 00:59 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | @toni, the board isn't being sold anymore sadly. |
It's not on sale THERE, you mean 
But I advise to do what saus said.
I know exactly how you're thinking, but it's worth the money (and the wait... for the rest of the money) to just get a 2500K+Mobo+DDR3.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2012 01:17 Post subject: |
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To be honest, I didn't think the i5-750 was all THAT much more powerful in comparison, but we did tell you that the Core series is most definitely the best choice.
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sausje
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2012 01:22 Post subject: |
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@Mister_s:
Yep, one i'm using now for over a year.
That's why i did recommend it, it's not very expensive and does it's job properly (and i have the same ram with it aswell as listed)
Edit: i actually have 2x 4gb strips (and not the 8gb kit): http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/277166/kingston-hyperx-khx1333c9d3b1-4g.html
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 01:38 Post subject: |
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Okay I am here again, asking me questions. The price difference between the 2500K and the 3570K seems to be 15 euros (3570K is more expensive). Would it be wiser to go for the newer tech (even though it doesn't seem to be faster)? The only difference I can see in favor of the 3570K is the lower energy consumption and native USB3 support (I can't figure out what is meant by "native" since almost all 1155 mobos have USB3 ports), while the 2500K seems to be the better OC CPU (opinions seem to very widely but overal the 2500K wins by small margin). So which one should have the preference for a gamer and a potential overclocker if the price difference is just 15 euros?
Why didn't Intel put out any non-GPU SB and IB CPUs?
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 01:43 Post subject: |
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AFAIK the 2500K OC's better AND runs slightly cooler than the 3570K.
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 02:13 Post subject: |
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Plus i think the old chipset mobo's are slightly cheaper.
2500k can go with z68 chipset, while 3570k goes best with z77 (atleast that's how i see it)
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 03:30 Post subject: |
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Around here the 2500k is overpriced, or same price as 3570k. Got my 3570K for 199 usd on amazon.com which was the best price on the order of 20 or so bucks.
check em out they may have some deals in your region.
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sausje
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 11:04 Post subject: |
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Well then it's up to you.
The IB is a little bit faster, but runs a little hotter aswell (thus limiting OC).
Friend of mine has the 3570k with same cooler as me (Mugen2), not OC'ed, and it has the same temps as my OC'ed 2600k (plus i have 2 videocards cooking under it, he just has just 1 )
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 11:09 Post subject: |
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Yeah it seems the 2500K is the better choice since the small edge the Ivy has can be easily closed by an OC. I'll also go for the z68 chipset since I highly doubt I'll upgrade to the Ivy (and Haswell uses a different socket so zero upgrade potential for me there). I'll probably take that GB board you mentioned.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 13:11 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Yeah it seems the 2500K is the better choice since the small edge the Ivy has can be easily closed by an OC. I'll also go for the z68 chipset since I highly doubt I'll upgrade to the Ivy (and Haswell uses a different socket so zero upgrade potential for me there). I'll probably take that GB board you mentioned. |
Isn't the only thing you get extra with a z68 board the ability to use the on-chip GPU which sucks at any rate? Or are there other reasons to get z68 over p67? I remember comparing the H67, P67 and Z68 and ended up getting a military grade P67 board (Sabertooth P67.b3).
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 13:26 Post subject: |
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onboard gpu always comes in handy when your other gpu brakes down 
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 14:12 Post subject: |
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| sausje wrote: | | onboard gpu always comes in handy when your other gpu brakes down |
Pffft noobsaus.
When you're a true  you always have a spare GPU/PSU around...
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 14:35 Post subject: |
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I have x1950 pro, 2x HD3870, HD4890 here as spare gpu's (plus don't forget my 2x HD6870), so i'm sorted
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 15:38 Post subject: |
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I have bad VRM1 temps with my Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X - in excess of 125c in Furmark (seems like this whole series is faulty which is why Sapphire apparently made a version with a new PCB + X01 instead of V03/V04 bios) so I'm getting the same Gigabyte 7950 Windforce 3. I've seen some insane overclocking results on it, much better than this Vapor-X I have plus it has 3 years of warranty instead of "just" 2.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 15:58 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Mister_s wrote: | | Yeah it seems the 2500K is the better choice since the small edge the Ivy has can be easily closed by an OC. I'll also go for the z68 chipset since I highly doubt I'll upgrade to the Ivy (and Haswell uses a different socket so zero upgrade potential for me there). I'll probably take that GB board you mentioned. |
Isn't the only thing you get extra with a z68 board the ability to use the on-chip GPU which sucks at any rate? Or are there other reasons to get z68 over p67? I remember comparing the H67, P67 and Z68 and ended up getting a military grade P67 board (Sabertooth P67.b3). |
The price difference is insignificant between P68, Z68 and Z77 in NL.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 16:30 Post subject: |
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In Poland too.
I just got p67 because it is the most populat model for 2500k and users are vouching for it.
for 3570k I recommend z77
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 17:36 Post subject: |
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Wouldn't Z77 be the best choice no matter what CPU you get? It's the newest tech for the same price.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 18:10 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Wouldn't Z77 be the best choice no matter what CPU you get? It's the newest tech for the same price. |
He's not getting a new motherboard, he chose between H67, P67 and Z68 (H & Z support the on-CPU-GPU, the H is the entry part, the P67 is pure performance without on-CPU-GPU, The Z is H+P basically).
If I was buying a board TODAY I'd probably pick a x77 board (not necessarily though since it has no new functions that would help my 2500K, and PCIe v3 is even less useful), but Ivy Bridge wasn't around when I built my new system, which is:
ASUS Sabertooth P67.B3
Intel Core i5 2500K @ 4500 (first CPU I don't feel I need to max out (stable at 4900).
G.Skill Ares 2x4GB @ 1866
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 18:47 Post subject: |
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Yes I see he already has the mobo. The motherboard you have looks very nice, but sadly completely over my budget. I never bought top of the line motherboards, I can't remember ever being disappointed. Good budget Z68/77 motherboards go for 80-90 euros, I think I'll get one of those.
Edit: well here it is. The left one is for my cousin (he has money to spend and he absolutely wants the 3xxx series), the right one is mine. So any comments?
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 20:31 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | Yes I see he already has the mobo. The motherboard you have looks very nice, but sadly completely over my budget. I never bought top of the line motherboards, I can't remember ever being disappointed. Good budget Z68/77 motherboards go for 80-90 euros, I think I'll get one of those.
Edit: well here it is. The left one is for my cousin (he has money to spend and he absolutely wants the 3xxx series), the right one is mine. So any comments?
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You'll be happy and have a cooler CPU that you can get 4.0GHz out of without even trying. If you're willing to go through the overclocking steps you could go beyond 4.5GHz.. I managed to boot mine @ 5GHz but it wasn't stable (too hot, have an old crappy cooler), got it stable at 4.9GHz but realised I didn't actually need 4.9, 4.8, 4.7, 4.6... First time ever where I have settled for less than the maximum performance I could squeeze out of the CPU. The 2500k is the best value/performance CPU that Intel has released in years and will be relevant for quite a while, making the switch to Ivy Bridge unnecessary.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 20:43 Post subject: |
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Will the Corsair Vengeance modules be able to pull off an OC to 4.6Ghz?
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 20:48 Post subject: |
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You can just underclock if necessary, RAM bandwidth is not an issue these days. Games don't get anywhere near saturating it at least, almost nothing does.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 20:51 Post subject: |
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I thought keeping the ratio 1:1 was always wisest. Is that not the case anymore?
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| Mister_s wrote: | | Will the Corsair Vengeance modules be able to pull off an OC to 4.6Ghz? |
On Ivy/Sandy Bridge CPUs you can only raise CPU multiplier (hence the letter K in 2500K and 3570K, which stands for unlocked multiplier). Everything else basically stays the same, so it's quite different than raising FSB frequency in the past.
RAM frequency may always stay the same, it's not bound to CPU speed. If you're buying Corsair Vengeance, just make sure your MOBO supports XMP (or whatever it's called) for maximum performance without any issues.
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 21:01 Post subject: |
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Got it thanks, never knew they actually unlocked the multipliers. Almost all modern motherboards seem to have XMP support, so that shouldn't be a problem.
@Frant: what's your Vcore at 4.5Ghz?
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2012 22:54 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | Got it thanks, never knew they actually unlocked the multipliers. Almost all modern motherboards seem to have XMP support, so that shouldn't be a problem.
@Frant: what's your Vcore at 4.5Ghz? |
1.34v (using.. uhm.. whatever it's called.. instead of setting a specific voltage you set a + or - sign and a value to decrease/increase over the CPU's own calculated voltage. I can't remember what it says in UEFI at the moment.
I really need to get a new CPU cooler (although this one is enough for 4.5GHz), I have an old Noctua DH12U (or whatever). I've always wanted a H80 or some other integrated water cooling system but I can't justify the investment when my current setup works flawlessly without overheating.
And as said before, with Sandy Bridge and forward you no longer overclock BCLK/Frontbus and thus you don't overclock the RAM when you overclock the CPU. The RAM have it's separate overclocking settings, but anything over 1866 is diminishing returns.
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