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 Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 18:13 Post subject: Second Sight - RLD |
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Can someone please explain to me... Why there are so many crackers, so many ppl who say RLD didn't crack it... they just took exe from this or that... If they are so good, and know so much about protections and cracking, why won't they start cracking games by themselves...
They say that exes are from betas and shit like that... It only shows that they know shit about how SF3 works...
How can someone write such shit:
| HeroMan wrote: | | When do people understand that Silent Hunter is not cracked? Reloaded did a good job obtaining a unprotected .exe but it is not a cracked.exe |
Just look at the damn crack before you say anything... SH3 is cracked... there are many more files encrypted in the game and RLD changed exe and dlls to decrypt all files... So they cracked the game...
The same goes for kraudi04 and your bullshit about Second Sight... The Power of StarForce 3 is not in exe and one or two dlls but in encryption... There are many files throughout the game which need to be decrypted in order for the game to work... RLD changed exe to decrypt all of the files, without the stupid SF3 drivers... And stop this bullshit already... Think first and write later...
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 18:23 Post subject: |
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That's the point. If you look at every really good Starforce 3 crack (expect those from Ultima) you see that it's not like 3 years ago you'll only need a new exe but you need loads off .dat and .dll files etc. When a starforce game is released with only a .exe it's most likly not really cracked (unless the cracker did a damn good job and rewrote his own exe). I don't say I dont respet reloaded because SH3 is not really cracked, I just say it is not really cracked when nooBs start to party because 'starforce 3 has been cracked'. Their is nothing wrong with SH3 as u can play it and for that RLD did a good job. But it is not cracked. If you look at the Immersion releases u got like min 30 MB extra crack files not only the exe. On the DIE release of Scrapland their is also a .dat file cracked not only the exe. So I find it very strange that reloaded only releases .exe files which means that the game is not fully cracked but they wrote their own exe (very unliky) or they could get a trail exe (second sight?) or a unprotected exe) Which are all fine but only the first one is a proper crack, which I don't give a crap if it gets nuked as long as I can play the game proper. I only say things like u quoted above when nooBs start to party like explained before.
Hope made myself clear
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 18:30 Post subject: |
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They could let the main game executable decrypt those extra encrypted files..maybe this method can't be done with all sf3 releases thats why...some sf3 cracks has multiple patched files and some an advanced cracked executable .(with decrypts those files automaticly) .
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 18:34 Post subject: |
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You really don't understand me... Even if the game has one exe in it's crack dir it doesn't mean that it's not cracked... IMS cracked games be totaly decrypting all SF3 protected files... Ultima fooled SF3 drivers... RLD cracks exe files... disables CD checks, and driver calls, and then rewrites exes or/and dlls to encrypt every file while the game is running... They did what SF3 do, but without drivers without CD checks and other stuff like that... Scrapland's dat is one of the files that is needed to encrypt files that's why it's inlcuded in crack dir... If SF3 was cracked using IMS method you would also see couple MB of files... RLD cracks are more sophisticated... They are fully cracked games, exes adn dlls from betas would not help, since there are numerous files in each game thet need decrypting... Rewritten RLD exes and dlls do the encryption on the fly... That's why you only see one or two files in crack dir...
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 18:38 Post subject: |
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| highstuff wrote: | | They could let the main game executable decrypt those extra encrypted files..maybe this method can't be done with all sf3 releases thats why...some sf3 cracks has multiple patched files and some an advanced cracked executable .(with decrypts those files automaticly) . |
That's exactly what I wrote earlier... Before posting stuff like:
it's not cracked, they've got exes from betas and stuff like that...
People should read about SF3... Than it would be clear for them how RLD cacks work...
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 18:42 Post subject: |
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Hot discussion.
Facts:
Reloaded and Hoodlum cracks Starforce but without virtual machine. It means they're able to unwrap executables but unable to deal with virtual machine.
| Quote: | | Ultima fooled SF3 drivers... |
Wrong my friend. Ultima cracked protect.dll (virtual machine), not drivers.
The point is to get the crack. No matter how does it work (of course beaten crackers will complain - as always).
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 18:48 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If you look at every really good Starforce 3 crack (expect those from Ultima) you see that it's not like 3 years ago you'll only need a new exe but you need loads off .dat and .dll files etc. When a starforce game is released with only a .exe it's most likly not really cracked (unless the cracker did a damn good job and rewrote his own exe). I don't say I dont respet reloaded because SH3 is not really cracked, I just say it is not really cracked when nooBs start to party because 'starforce 3 has been cracked'. Their is nothing wrong with SH3 as u can play it and for that RLD did a good job. But it is not cracked. If you look at the Immersion releases u got like min 30 MB extra crack files not only the exe. So I find it very strange that reloaded only releases .exe files which means that the game is not fully cracked but they wrote their own exe (very unliky) or they could get a trail exe (second sight?) or a unprotected exe) Which are all fine but only the first one is a proper crack, which I don't give a crap if it gets nuked as long as I can play the game proper. |
| Quote: | | The point is to get the crack. No matter how does it work (of course beaten crackers will complain - as always). |
100% agree. that's all 'bout this thread
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 19:06 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Second Sight has pcodes... Obscure also... (I don't know about other games) So RLD cracks VM |
Then why they cannot crack Toca2, Xpand Rally, Colin 2005, Splinter Cell? No offence but it seems they cannot crack virtual machine.
Ultima releases appeared much later than retail dates so Reloaded had a lot of time to do it (even in Colin 2005 nfo you can read: "we gave you guys enough time to prove what you really are").
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 19:24 Post subject: |
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| MartinW wrote: | | Quote: | | Second Sight has pcodes... Obscure also... (I don't know about other games) So RLD cracks VM |
Then why they cannot crack Toca2, Xpand Rally, Colin 2005, Splinter Cell? No offence but it seems they cannot crack virtual machine.
Ultima releases appeared much later than retail dates so Reloaded had a lot of time to do it (even in Colin 2005 nfo you can read: "we gave you guys enough time to prove what you really are"). |
That's how SF3 works... Every game can be protected in another way, more files... In one game 20 files can be encrypted and in another one 300... In one game the are 50 pcodes... and in other even 500... (that's the max number of pcodes...) Every SF3, will be cracked you will see... I just needs time...
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 19:33 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Every SF3, will be cracked you will see... I just needs time... |
Don't get me wrong but it sounds a bit strange looking at Toca 2 for example.
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 19:41 Post subject: |
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Just want to say something
in Taiwan , one SF3 game use VM
it took 3 months to crack the dll by one guy
so.....i don't think that sf3 with VM can't crack by RLD
even one guy can,why one group can't?
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 19:49 Post subject: |
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| kachain wrote: | | Quote: | | Every SF3, will be cracked you will see... I just needs time... |
Don't get me wrong but it sounds a bit strange looking at Toca 2 for example. |
Yes but they started cracking games easier only a month ago...
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 19:53 Post subject: |
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So don't you think they should begin with Toca?
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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TheDuck
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 20:30 Post subject: |
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| kachain wrote: | | So don't you think they should begin with Toca? |
I think this game is too old to worry about/waste time on it, I'd like to see new games like SCCT instead of Toca which most likely isnt a big prob these days.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 20:50 Post subject: |
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u have to be kiddin! look at the "latest" releases by Reloaded. look at their dates. don't you see that most of them are rusty?
Toca 2 is a state of the art game, especially for all rally geeks like me. it's also the first officially uncracked game. don't tell me that it's a waste of time
ok, i just got it. i know what is it all about. Reloaded won't crack Toca because it's a waste of time and they won't crack SCCT neither because it's too old already. they have many other games to hunt for trial or beta weak protected executables. that we know already
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 21:00 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | u have to be kiddin! look at the "latest" releases by Reloaded. look at their dates. don't you see that most of them are rusty?
Toca 2 is a state of the art game, especially for all rally geeks like me. it's also the first officially uncracked game. don't tell me that it's a waste of time
ok, i just got it. i know what is it all about. Reloaded won't crack Toca because it's a waste of time and they won't crack SCCT neither because it's too old already. they have many other games to hunt for trial or beta weak protected executables. that we know already |
.....so much speculation...and no one really knows.....and everyone is so fuckin pessimistic. When it does get released, i hope reloaded or whomever responds to everyone bashin them...i think all the groups are takin heat for this release...from a buncha noobs like us lol they really should respond  |
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 21:26 Post subject: |
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| lAmBaDa wrote: | | they have many other games to hunt for trial or beta weak protected executables. that we know already |
You still don't know how SF3 works... Even unprotected exes give them shit... Each of the cracked games have atleast 20 encrypted files... You think that unprotected executable will be able to decrypt these files... ?
Their crack from Second Sight works with orginal Second Sight... Every game they released is porperly cracked...
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 21:33 Post subject: |
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| bigboy177 wrote: | | Their crack from Second Sight works with orginal Second Sight... Every game they released is porperly cracked... |
Now that certainly isn't true, RLD have been nuked in the past for releasing uncracked beta EXEs.
[::NUKE::] - Release:(SRS.Street.Racing.Syndicate-RELOADED) Reason:(uncracked.and.beta.exe)
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 21:43 Post subject: |
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Hey Lambada, you seemed to me smarter when you agreed with my post in the other thread.
all this noise only because sf is not as easy to crack as other protections are...
reloaded can't crack VM, ultima maybe, a lot of bla bla bla...
play toca2 with your mini-image, play sh3 with the reloaded work around, just play and shut up.
If uncrackable protections will never exist, the opposite is also true: why do you think that everything should be flawless and easy?
THE SCENE SHOULD BE ONLY A WAY TO FORCE DEVELOPERS TO CHANGE THEIR POLITICS TOWARDS THE MARKET: cheaper prices, more support, and nothing else.
It's a battle for freedom, any other arguments are only sad and dumb.
halfluke
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 21:49 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | [::NUKE::] - Release:(SRS.Street.Racing.Syndicate-RELOADED) Reason:(uncracked.and.beta.exe) |
of course Bigboy177, as Reloaded faker, didn't want to talk about such uncomfortable accidents revealing THE REAL SOURCE OF RELOADED CRACKS...
summarizing:
1 there are many Reloaded fakers, simlar to the fake of Reloaded itself
2 Reloaded cracks everything and everywhere but Tocas is "a waste of time" and SCCT is probably too old already
3 Reloaded don't hunt for new crackers (as they claim in nfo) but beta and patch suppliers
| Quote: | | THE SCENE SHOULD BE ONLY A WAY TO FORCE DEVELOPERS TO CHANGE THEIR POLITICS TOWARDS THE MARKET: cheaper prices, more support, and nothing else. |
you seemed smarter to me too (before). if you really believe that someday this situation will happen then i suppose you've been really long out of the market because this situation (expensive prices....) was, is and will be. no crack will change it
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swebarb
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 21:59 Post subject: |
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hm this blows.. RLD wtf are u doing.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 22:07 Post subject: |
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| CableMunkeh wrote: | | halfluke wrote: |
THE SCENE SHOULD BE ONLY A WAY TO FORCE DEVELOPERS TO CHANGE THEIR POLITICS TOWARDS THE MARKET: cheaper prices, more support, and nothing else.
It's a battle for freedom, any other arguments are only sad and dumb.
halfluke |
Perhaps someone should tell the scene that, rather than it being as self-serving as it is at the moment?
What happened to when the scene existed for things other than the scene, releases cracked for the challenge rather than the credit, and groups weren't bitching at one another.
The best crackers aren't and want nothing to do with the scene, which has shrunk significantly since I remember it being c. 1999 and earlier 
Oh well, happy days Nostalgia trip over. |
lol
true |
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 22:10 Post subject: |
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A little out of the topic: I suppose Bigboy177 regrets starting this thread.
| Quote: | | What happened to when the scene existed for things other than the scene, releases cracked for the challenge rather than the credit, and groups weren't bitching at one another. The best crackers aren't and want nothing to do with the scene, which has shrunk significantly since I remember it being c. 1999 and earlier |
That's the problem gentelmans (or should I say Reloaded & Hoodlum warriors?). If there is someone like CableMunkeh (including me) who may remember, or have heard about, the old times then he knows that the actual crap you actually see (with all respect to the hard working lads) has nothing common with the real scene and friendship. Even the style of releases have nothing common with real releases. Not to discuss the culture of groups using NFOs in their war and introducing new difinitions like "crack" and "loader". At the same time the same group (to make it clear: Reloaded) dare to use betas (or similar) and release it as a real retail crack.
Where the scene lost its fairness and truthfulness? It's not even worth commenting.
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 22:17 Post subject: |
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| swebarb wrote: | | hm this blows.. RLD wtf are u doing. |
cracking. srs was nuked because it was uncracked, but the exe was taken from european retail that wasn't protected.
and in reloaded info of srs there no the usual point /copy the cracked content in crack dir, but /copy executables.
they never said srs was cracked.
every other release is fully 100% cracked. if you have any doubt just look at superpower 2. they cracked the retail version and few hours later they completely crack 1.4 patch, whoever comes here to say rld uses unprotected exe must be really blind, or worse
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| Posted: Sat, 16th Apr 2005 22:21 Post subject: |
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Sorry but before you call any of us "blind or worse" then let me ask you something:
first you say:
| Quote: | | srs was nuked because it was uncracked, but the exe was taken from european retail that wasn't protected. |
and just after that:
| Quote: | | whoever comes here to say rld uses unprotected exe must be really blind, or worse |
With all respect, aren't you... "blind or worse" (your words)?
I was thrown out of college for cheating on the metaphysics exam; I looked into the soul of the boy next to me.
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