As some may have noticed I post a lot of Dave Rubin, Gad Saad and other videos which have to do with apologetics of Islamic doctrine and the regressive responses of screaming racism and bigotry for the rejection of tenets that are incompatible with individual freedom, secular law and universal rights.
Until now we have randomsly posted any news or videos related to such topics wildly and incoherently spread accross WN refugee / ISIS and so on such threads.
Well, I thought maybe it makes more sense to separate the two topics and leave those other WN threads to pure topic-related news (refugees, ISIS only, respectively).
I start by reposting this:
"There will be no end to the troubles of humanity, until philosophers become kings, or kings become philosophers.", Plato.
"Hyperbole will destroy us all.", Matt Dillahunty.
"The hyperbole, the demonization of the other opinion and the unwillingness to even read the opposing opinion destroys the so important political discussions necessary for the well functioning of society.", Couleur
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
Paxsali, you have to take the mistranslations, misinterpretations and misunderstandings into account. Thanks to these millions of muslims are able to live their relgion peacefully
@ pax
I'm not sure I follow you there. Didn't pumpy mean, that thanks to those 3 M's we have peaceful people, despite their religion? This is not an actual defense of the religion. Same goes for christian's with your example.
Or perhaps that the religion split into diverging groups, of which some are much more tolerable, than others?
@ paxsali
Actually he just said that the 3M's exist und thanks to them we have millions of peaceful muslims. Is that not true?
How is that defending the religion? That's merely saying something like 'luckily, most people don't take their religion literal/seriously enough and adapt it to better suit their views'. Otherwise we'd have even bigger problems. So at best he may defend some individuals, because they seem to do what other cultures did before them, slowly put the scriptures behind them.
Islam, especially the 'interpretations' closer to their actual base texts is horrible (apparently, I didn't read them and hopefully never will). I am not defending Islam now am I?
Nowadays I regard western religions as a cop out to responsibilities and/or to give weight to their decisions. They are making their own decision, and then claim that god wants it that way.
I wonder where you draw the line when it comes to private discussion...
Anything else you wanna share -- about someone else?
Oh and I actually watched a few atheist experience shows on youtube. Found it very interesting. And it made me realize how bad it apparently still is in america for some...
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
For someone who likes to argue a lot, your reading comprehension skills are on the level of a blind mule.
Dude, you did never force me to watch AE. I saw you watching it every day at work and I started to watch it too. The intriguing was how everything was based on reason, then I stayed for the lulz of the stupid callers, slowly understanding how I am basically on their side and why my thoughts and reasoning was flawed... I even wrote a thank you email to ae
But to justify your biased view of me you pulled my beliefs into this discussion I didn't say that I was an atheist because at that time I didn't know that I was an atheist. Not that complicated
I actually agree with him on all statements that he made.
What he said is basically:
- Britain is about the British (00:07)
- some people want to impose Islamic Law onto Britain and this cannot be allowed to happen (00:46)
Sure, he said "iraqi" and "muslamic" and he seems obviously drunk, but I find it astonishing how people fail to acknowledge and address the actual propositions he is standing for and how easily people are fooled by appearences.
Can you please provide some reasoning why the two identified statements he made from above are not reasonable?
There is no way for you deduce whether I find his reasonig sound or not, so I do not need to provide anything. I made a joke on his choice of words, for which you provided examples.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
As chavy (is that a word?) that guy is,he said there were "rape gangs" going around and everyone was laughing,mocking him with the famous Rayguns video. However,after Rotterham et al it is evident that even while he may discribe a spoon as "something you shovel food with",certain parts of his ramblings aren´t far from the truth
paxsali wrote:
Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold...
Says there 1600 muslims with France nationality are willing to fight for ISIS, after everyone knows exactly what they stand for. Mass killings and torture. How many wanted to go but for several raesons do not take the journey through Turkey to Syria/Iraq? How many muslims from France but without french nationality are fighting for ISIS? A few thousand for sure, we agree?
How many are just not willing to risk their lives and freedom for ISIS but rub their hands seeing all that ethnic/religious "cleansing"? How many are secretly or not so secretly supporting ISIS or just are positive towards them? Maybe only secretly, online? Logic would dictate *at least ten times* of those actually willing to get off their butts, travel through a proxy country and meet some crazies in a foreign land they have never been to
To sum up, if I was a frenchie and was seeing a *few* thousand muslims from France fighting for ISIS in the ME (not even taking other groups into consideration, just ISIS) is it reasonable to assume many more thousands of them to be hardcore islamists if something similar happened in France?
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There are millions of peaceful muslim people in Syria, too, so what? Still chaos. The violent ones take up arms and dictate what happens.
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