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 Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 16:35 Post subject: The Pc Scene These Days ( Not A Starforce Bitchin') |
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I know this Starforce thing has been discussed so many times, but still:
I'm a xbox owner, so I do enjoy most of the latest games. However, after investing so much on my PC, I truly feel it's ashame we don't get to see many pc games getting released lately.
I opened this thread just to hear what everyone thinks about this thing happening lately, aka, no more great pc games out for us sceners.
Share, spill your heart out - without flaming, after all, we're all on the same boat 
Cheers!
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 16:44 Post subject: |
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What do you mean by "released"? By publishers? There's quite a few good PC games in shops and a lot more in the pipeline... If you could afford $1500 PC, you can probably shell $50 for a game from time to time.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 16:51 Post subject: Re: The Pc Scene These Days ( Not A Starforce Bitchin') |
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| kryon wrote: | I know this Starforce thing has been discussed so many times, but still:
I'm a xbox owner, so I do enjoy most of the latest games. However, after investing so much on my PC, I truly feel it's ashame we don't get to see many pc games getting released lately.
I opened this thread just to hear what everyone thinks about this thing happening lately, aka, no more great pc games out for us sceners.
Share, spill your heart out - without flaming, after all, we're all on the same boat
Cheers! |
the pc games released in stores without being playable for us are 0 (zero).
4 (chaos theory, trackmania sunrise, cossacks 2, psi ops) are playable with an usb dvd drive
a dozen (ex toca2, gtr, beyond divinity...) are playable with the minimage trick
every other title has been cracked or is perfectly clones (ex sims2 university or psychonauts)
the scene is not what it was 2 years ago? probably yes, but also protections are not that easy
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 16:53 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 16:55 Post subject: |
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O no not another shitty thread
anyway u see the games that came out lately ? i`m sure there are some damn pretty good ones in it.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 16:56 Post subject: |
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Well, you're trying to suck and blow at the same time really.
You can't say "gimme more games so I can download 'em" and at the same time say "why aren't there as many games for PC as consoles".
If publishers are losing money from pirating on the PC side, they can at least swicth gears to the console side and lose less. Yes, I know that PS2 and X-BOX games are pirated as well, but to a lesser extent, because not everyone knows about modchips. I'm not defending either view, but, there's still tons of great PC only titles as well, so PC gaming will never die. There's still some genres that are better suited for PC period as well, for example, First Person Shooters. Do you really think HalfLife 3 will debut on a console?
Just my opinion guys.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 17:25 Post subject: |
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splinter cell chaos theory was the first game 4 me which was not released !!!
gonna buy it soon !
its ok if there is sometimes a uncracked game but not 5 or 10 uncracked game !
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd May 2005 20:00 Post subject: |
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yeah, pc side of things has gone downhill alot. Well shouldn't really call it downhill - just good copy protections, not so many proper dedicated groups who do proper cracked release instead of these clone images ect (who anybody can do and release), also a bigger console scene at present and more revenue for the publishers, alot of games are getting console release's 1st then ports to Pc.
Alot of reasons, but nowhere near what it used to be.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 16:43 Post subject: |
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starforce 4 is supposedly going to be here in fall 2005. it wouldn't make sense to up the version number for petty changes. expect no more usb drive, they've known about it for a long ass time and it is improbable that they haven't been working on a fix. so everytime a game comes out with the maximum SF protection it won't be cracked (ex. splinter cell 3) and it won't be cloned.
the problem is PC are way too fucking expensive. if game devs want someone to blame for piracy, blame ATI/Nvidia/AMD/Intel. next-gen will be 300-400 when it first comes out and it that a hell of a lot cheaper than 1500. which would leave me with money left over to buy games rather than "obtain by other means".
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 17:40 Post subject: |
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| bludragn wrote: | starforce 4 is supposedly going to be here in fall 2005. it wouldn't make sense to up the version number for petty changes. expect no more usb drive, they've known about it for a long ass time and it is improbable that they haven't been working on a fix. so everytime a game comes out with the maximum SF protection it won't be cracked (ex. splinter cell 3) and it won't be cloned.
the problem is PC are way too fucking expensive. if game devs want someone to blame for piracy, blame ATI/Nvidia/AMD/Intel. next-gen will be 300-400 when it first comes out and it that a hell of a lot cheaper than 1500. which would leave me with money left over to buy games rather than "obtain by other means". |
I don't think will see SF3 so quickly... the will milk SF3 as long as they can...
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 18:25 Post subject: |
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My opinion: suicide =[
:\ the games that released in the last days, released week or more after it was sent to the stores =\
I'm afraid that SF will catch all the games, and... we'll be lost :[
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd May 2005 19:03 Post subject: |
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i feel its a shame that any PC game we do get tends to be a multi-platform release, so its been dumbed down for consoles, in terms of both graphics and gameplay. it's not as often that we get a really hardcore PC game. the most recent example i can think of is Rome: Total War which is a decent 'pc' game, ie the kind of game that appeals mostly to pc gamers and less to console gamers.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 02:11 Post subject: |
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Always bear in mind that every lock, doesn't matter which type or make, can be unlocked! (As long as it was manufactured by human beings). So SF is a hard one to crack, but it was done before and will be done many times more! All they need is a technique to do it quickly and more efficiently so no worries and stop those lame threads.
In the meantime the latest "uncrackable" games are a good bargain anyway so it won't kill you to pay if you really want it.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 02:18 Post subject: |
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Hopefully, copy protection will only improve, to the point where it becomes impossible to release games illegally. "Sceners" who never purchase a game even though they thoroughly enjoy it are not contributing anything to this industry.
Only then will we start seeing more truly innovative, PC-exclusive games.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 02:29 Post subject: |
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| Claws wrote: | Hopefully, copy protection will only improve, to the point where it becomes impossible to release games illegally. "Sceners" who never purchase a game even though they thoroughly enjoy it are not contributing anything to this industry.
Only then will we start seeing more truly innovative, PC-exclusive games. |
Thats a little far out man. I think the same thing would apply to consoles. GameCube may be a little different, tho its easier to mod it now. Although, the reason for the consoles getting alot of the games is because well, the companys want money. I really dont see just because the PC scene has piracy that that means thats the reason for not many exclusives, or many games.
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ive stopped playing games on pc this year.
might start again after i upgrade pc instead of buying next gen console (going to wait for prices to drop and see how mod-sceene works out). but then better games must come out. its been so dry for pc lately. only games i have installed now is q3, ut, ut2004 and hl2, but barely ever play them. kids play some sims 2 on their computer though. hahaha good for them!
is there even anything to look forward to except gta:sa and bf2? |
Not a bad idea. I've been playing more games on consoles than on the PC this year. Not many games on the PC really interested me this year. Other than that, I just found writing a game to DVD, and putting it in my modded console alot easier. The Sims? Never got into that. IMO that games for people who dont have a life , and want to create one in a virtual world. Prolly will get flamed for that. But oh well, I could care less. Unreal however is fun. Especially the new one for the XBox.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 03:30 Post subject: |
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I just play downloaded games, if they end i wont play and i wont probably care about playing tetris or any flash based game all the time, im used to that, good downloaded PC games games just look like a bonus to me!
But i have very high respect to the all of the scene, whatever it is they release or not !!
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 04:10 Post subject: |
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Ur right about the life thing Hitman, but what if ur not creating it and its your life? lol
There will always be pirates and those disgruntled ppl with the know how, how to do shit. From computers to guns, illegal distrubution and reproduction etc will be around. Of course there will be slow times when a new preventive is implemeted, but things will be fine as the more and more, in this case, the copy protection improves, the more its gunna be spotlighted. Then, someone from some underground cumputer geek cult will take on the task of cracking the software. Not for profit, just for the challenge. I think sf3 and the like are not to wide spread yet, give it 3-6 months they will be.
Personally, i think everything should be open source. Things would work alot more efficient that way  imo
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thudo
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 07:27 Post subject: |
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Well I'm sorely disappointed in the global scene of crackers/hackers. I always thought that: World Of Crackers/Hackers > Copy Protection Dumbass Companies = easy flow o games! Now it doesn't make sense except that the dumbc*nt protection companies constantly keep upgrading their protections not just for new games but for updates to existing ones. THEY ARE LITERALLY SPIES NOW! Aghhhhh! Pisses me off so much those c*cks! Them and Lawyers/Bankers should get quartered!! 
Anyway, then there is the issue of Cracked Updates which are not as plentiful as before. Grrrrrrr..(ie. still no sign of Act Of War v1.1b using Securom7 -which I thought was cracked?-). I actually bought AoW and would die to have a NoDVD for the latest update but nope.. noone on this planet of, ohhh, near 6billion people can do it? Bizzare..
Almost always in the past someone would fill the void left by another group/person who left.. so what happened? Noone wants to crack kuzz they figure its self-defeating as all their work will just get revised by some assf*ck pansy-boy protection eng? Shiets!!!
<sigh>.. Not F**ing good.. Not good people.. situation is getting dire as more PC game companies take away your rights to making legal backups of your games + disallowing you to secure your CD/DVDs to protect them from media damage (have kids then you'll understand), stop the bloody winey slow startup when game launches, etc etc..
Worse yet.. gawd damn protection scheme copy BS hidden device drivers to your machine doing what the hell they want! F***ing subversive dicks!
This nonsense has got to stop and more people need to protest this on all the boards when games get released as this is just plain damn wrong! So bloody mad this has taken over since late '03...
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 12:34 Post subject: |
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I think I know what kryon is getting at. It's just wiser at the moment to make a console game than a pc game in an economical sense for the developer. Of course that's a sad situation if you're used to great single player story driven games ( i'm gonna pull out the good ole System Shock 2, Deus Ex and last year Vampire Bloodlines here), which you just don't find on consoles because the PR Morons think for some reason console players are too impatient to play that.
Also (and this is probably true) the average pc gamer is probably a tad older than the average console player. Which is gonna change with nextgen consoles because they'll be used as cashcows. I've read that microsoft is aware of companies who plan on making a game completely, then take out content, let the players buy it and then charge for the now "extra" content. Also you can pretty much forget about free downloads of say cars and/or tracks for racing games for example or new maps for Halo 3, those will cost extra. And since kids rarely have credit cards and Dad's gonna get tired of pulling out his plastic every other day pretty fast my hope is that we'll see a rise in pc games again.
Another point is that with all the onchip DRM that Sony and MS are gonna go for it will be next to impossible to mod the consoles which will make a certain percentage of the buyers loose interest in them and swith back to pcs.
And my final thought for today is MMOs. I think it's much easier (sp?) for developers to do those on the pc because you have to constantly be able to change the entire infrastructure of the game to be able to compensate for downed servers, bugs, additional content etc. and the pc platform is much more suited for that. Also consoles aren't really powerful enough for that sort of thing and you can't just stick more RAM in them or a new video card.
To sum it up I think we can wait for the xbox 360 launch, then wait say 2 years until the developers and mostly the greedy publishers discovers that people don't really have that much money to spend on their consoles.
(phew that was long)
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 12:59 Post subject: |
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| Perry Rhodan wrote: | I think I know what kryon is getting at. It's just wiser at the moment to make a console game than a pc game in an economical sense for the developer. Of course that's a sad situation if you're used to great single player story driven games ( i'm gonna pull out the good ole System Shock 2, Deus Ex and last year Vampire Bloodlines here), which you just don't find on consoles because the PR Morons think for some reason console players are too impatient to play that.
Also (and this is probably true) the average pc gamer is probably a tad older than the average console player. Which is gonna change with nextgen consoles because they'll be used as cashcows. I've read that microsoft is aware of companies who plan on making a game completely, then take out content, let the players buy it and then charge for the now "extra" content. Also you can pretty much forget about free downloads of say cars and/or tracks for racing games for example or new maps for Halo 3, those will cost extra. And since kids rarely have credit cards and Dad's gonna get tired of pulling out his plastic every other day pretty fast my hope is that we'll see a rise in pc games again.
Another point is that with all the onchip DRM that Sony and MS are gonna go for it will be next to impossible to mod the consoles which will make a certain percentage of the buyers loose interest in them and swith back to pcs.
And my final thought for today is MMOs. I think it's much easier (sp?) for developers to do those on the pc because you have to constantly be able to change the entire infrastructure of the game to be able to compensate for downed servers, bugs, additional content etc. and the pc platform is much more suited for that. Also consoles aren't really powerful enough for that sort of thing and you can't just stick more RAM in them or a new video card.
To sum it up I think we can wait for the xbox 360 launch, then wait say 2 years until the developers and mostly the greedy publishers discovers that people don't really have that much money to spend on their consoles.
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I must say your notes are interesting.
I just started my gaming on PC (at the age of 5 hehe..) and I don't recall such a sad era with no great pc games, just lame ports, and even more sad, no cracked versions.
And one more thing - I think it's pretty useless to get in a thread and write " Oh no, again a shitty thread". Nforce is public, and as long as someone doesn't flame, its his right to express his opinion without getting these useless and irrelevent replies regarding how much shitty his thread is. let's keep things clean here, unless we want ISONEWS #2.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 17:27 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | Ur right about the life thing Hitman, but what if ur not creating it and its your life? lol
There will always be pirates and those disgruntled ppl with the know how, how to do shit. From computers to guns, illegal distrubution and reproduction etc will be around. Of course there will be slow times when a new preventive is implemeted, but things will be fine as the more and more, in this case, the copy protection improves, the more its gunna be spotlighted. Then, someone from some underground cumputer geek cult will take on the task of cracking the software. Not for profit, just for the challenge. I think sf3 and the like are not to wide spread yet, give it 3-6 months they will be.
Personally, i think everything should be open source. Things would work alot more efficient that way imo |
Well the thing is, why recreate your life via a game? Its a waste of fuckin time to me.
Yea, things should be open source. But theres always greedy motherfuckers out there wanting money. Thats how the dam world evolves.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 18:11 Post subject: |
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| Perry Rhodan wrote: | Let me get this straight... you _just_ startet your pc gaming, at the age of 5? How old are you? 7? lol I got into pcs (and gaming, that was the main reason for me) with Police Quest 1 and F19 Stealth Fighter, in a time when Sierra still made (very good) games and Microprose was the one to turn to for good simulations.
Must have been around 88-89 or something... *sigh* how time flies when you're havin' fun |
I'm 24 now, and yep, I sure do remember the quests days - Kings Quest, Larry, Space Quest, Ice Man (remeber him?) , and a lot more...damn, I did played a lot...
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 18:56 Post subject: |
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why do you lamers dont start cracking yourself then? i think instead of flaming crackers you could all work together on starforce etc...
grps should protect their rls with pw just coz you wont have any topic to flame about then.
lamers
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 19:08 Post subject: |
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| manslaugh wrote: | why do you lamers dont start cracking yourself then? i think instead of flaming crackers you could all work together on starforce etc...
grps should protect their rls with pw just coz you wont have any topic to flame about then.
lamers |
Please take your inner aggressions elsewhere - this is a friendly zone.
Thanks!
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 20:58 Post subject: |
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No we're not slagging the groups for not providing cracks and cracked updates. Sure that used to be "a given" that groups would always crack games and their updates but its more underground now + plus ass dev/pubs are watching and learning to incorporate more new changes to circumvent the circumventors! Ack! These times not be good for both regular consumer and the legal backup purchaser.
I do however SOOO agreed about the recent "dumbification" of PC Gaming. Wow how sad is become to translate cookie-cutter gaming from a largerly mass-appeal console system to a PC platform inheritently designed for specialities. Sad how money talks so much louder these days then "the shear passion for the game"! Its all about $$$$$$$.$$ and eye-candy and hype.. Yet we all buy into the stigma. Niches are now considered evil and non-profitable. Everything is for the masses now - "it must appeal to all" mentality or not be considered.
How gawd damn sad! How tragic.. the industry, and society in general, will pay for this. A reckoning is coming.. and thank gawd too.. everything that was sustainable years ago is now a "squandering society" now. Oh we'll get a little mass appeal a-happen'n.. a mass quartering that is!! <sigh>
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 21:06 Post subject: |
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I've notice this problem, just take a look at the VOTES on the PC game iso & the xbox games, you'll notice the xbox has alot better rating.
Its a shame because PC games rule but upgrading your PC for one or two major games is to costly, For me latley I've been playing Xbox games, altough mostly racing & sport games, oh & Splinter Cell CT.
Its really shame that the PC games are going this far downhill.
Just wait till the next Gen consoles come out, its most certainly going to KILL PC games, sad to say, I just can't afford to spend $2000 on a new PC to play 1 or 2 great games.
I guess I'll have to get use to FPS on a console, sniff sniff
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 00:47 Post subject: |
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I started gaming in 1982, when my parents bought a ZX Spectrum. And honestly, most of the games I loved then would be complete crap today (and I don't mean the graphics - I don't care much about it). Only a few of them are actually enjoyable today. I think that games really evolved in a postive way... For example Gothic II beats all early Ultimas (and yes, I finished all of them and loved them at the time). Better hardware just allows more ambitious designs. Not everyone uses these possibilities of course. Yes, there is a lot of crap published today - but it was the same then. So I am actually pretty optimistic for the future...
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