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 Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 07:13 Post subject: World of Warcraft vs. Guild Wars |
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As a lv43 warrior on the Lightning's Blade server in the World of Warcraft, I must honestly say that I am biased towards this game. Nay, addicted to it. With good reason. Instead of pretending to be a "hardcore" mmorpg (which I have nothing against, as long as it is genuine) it sticks to the basic concepts of MMOs, while mixing in a few details (huge quantity of quests and vast PVP opportunities) that really give it that extra edge over what I've played before. I've been in the world for some 3 months now (no, the 43 isn't my first character, I abandoned a lock and a priest because both were tedious to level). And if there is one overall impression with the game, it is that Blizzard have kept their promise: the game is, first and foremost, FUN. It includes elements such as food and drink to allow for speedy regeneration of health and mana, as well as a slew of sometimes obvious features to prevent abuse. All in all, the game is extremely well thought-out. I would say that WoW faces no competition from cows such as EQII, if only because it is a new idea in a sector of gaming that desperately needs one.
It is the new idea of Guild Wars that has brought me to looking at it with more than casual curiosity. Some of that has faded away now that my initial suspicions of expansion packs is confirmed. The packs will feature about 7 months' worth of content for the average gamer, and be released every 6 months on an "optional" basis. Except, from where I stand, there isn't much option. Once you're running around killing rats with your aim buddy telling you about the dragon they put down the other day, you're getting the expansion pack.
Nevertheless, the concept of a skill-based MMO is enticing to me. My experience with previous "skill-based" whorefests a la Counter-Strike nonwithstanding, the concept of being able to kick the ass off a lv12 with my lv2 was more than attractive. Except, from what I hear now... it appears that the only thing GW brings to the table is widened skill tables. Otherwise, it seems relatively exploitative of the same old tactics used by last-gen games.
Therefore, can anyone please explain to me the value of this game?
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JBrow
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 07:28 Post subject: Re: World of Warcraft vs. Guild Wars |
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| Accelleron wrote: | | As a lv43 warrior |
alright i have 2 lvl 60's human paladin and warlock so i dont need to hear what lvl u are, second i played guildwars.... well guild wars is cool but not to my kinda taste. yes u dont have to wait hrs to get a group in GW cuz u just make npcs. the cap is lvl 20...meh. instead of running to a point and place u click and point in gw... but what ever. wow for life... duel me
-JB
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 07:45 Post subject: |
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 08:10 Post subject: |
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EQ2 is no cow. I prefered it to WOW. WOW in my mind is just a kids game. Cartoon graphics and children playing it.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 09:16 Post subject: |
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World of warcraft is boring at 60 (but fun until 60)
that is the reason the above poster has (2) 60's.
Guild Wars > World of Warcraft
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 09:17 Post subject: |
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guild wars all my life... it's amazing
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 09:31 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | EQ2 is no cow. I prefered it to WOW. WOW in my mind is just a kids game. Cartoon graphics and children playing it. |
Get a life chilidsch graphics.... how do you dare to say that. Ever been to desolace??? Or souring gorge (or something like that) And WoW is much better then GW.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 09:41 Post subject: Re: World of Warcraft vs. Guild Wars |
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| JBrow wrote: | | Accelleron wrote: | | As a lv43 warrior |
alright i have 2 lvl 60's human paladin and warlock so i dont need to hear what lvl u are, second i played guildwars.... well guild wars is cool but not to my kinda taste. yes u dont have to wait hrs to get a group in GW cuz u just make npcs. the cap is lvl 20...meh. instead of running to a point and place u click and point in gw... but what ever. wow for life... duel me
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You can control your character with the arrow keys just like in WoW.
I find Guild Wars to be far superior, no more waiting in a queue of five other people waiting for a quest monster to spawn. Graphics are also far better, and it feels so much different to WoW. It doesn't take much time at all to get some cool abilities, and being able to combine classes means you can get the exact type of character you want. Quests are unique and varied. I'm already have much more fun then in WoW.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 10:38 Post subject: |
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| daviper wrote: |
Get a life chilidsch graphics.... how do you dare to say that. Ever been to desolace??? Or souring gorge (or something like that) And WoW is much better then GW. |
How can you say that wow doesn't have childish graphics? It's part of the warcraft series. So warcraft is recognised as having a cartoon style to it. So yes it does have childish graphics. Of course WOW is much better than GW's. I don't dispute that. I can't dispute that because I only played an old beta on GW's. I have played WoW though. And like I said, I didn't like the childish graphics or the childish mindset that many of the 1337 players seem to have.
One last thing. I have a life. A very good life infact. Although I don't claim it's perfect, it's far from needing to get one.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 10:51 Post subject: |
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I have only played the Guild Wars beta, but from my impression from it i have to say WoW is the better game.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 11:32 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: |
Of course WOW is much better than GW's. I don't dispute that. I can't dispute that because I only played an old beta on GW's. I have played WoW though. |
You think WoW's graphics are much better then GuildWars'?
Because that is just not true, not by a long shot. Depending on your preference you may prefer one graphical style over another, but still, there is no way the graphics are 'much better'.
I think the graphics are far superior to WoW's in every respect, but thats my opinion.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 11:42 Post subject: |
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No, not at all. I'm saying that I can't dispute the fact that wow is better than guild wars as I've never played guildwars except an early beta. I can say however, I thought that wow was too childish for me. I already said I don't like wow's graphical style isn't to my taste.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 11:57 Post subject: |
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wow... GW rip off from wow....
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 11:58 Post subject: |
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I voted World of warcraft cause its the only game for me atm , I dont have Guild wars and I wont buy it before I tried it , so I hope they will give out a demo to try it out for a couple of days.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 11:58 Post subject: |
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| FuE- wrote: | | wow... GW rip off from wow.... |
Hahaha, and I suppose WoW is completely original?
Idiot.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 12:15 Post subject: |
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| FuE- wrote: | | wow... GW rip off from wow.... |
GW is completely different to WoW.
Acceleron, regarding the expansions, at least it gives an incentive for the developers to add a shitload of new content and to keep it fresh. You're right when you say it's hard to resist them if your mates are playing them but for your mates to be playing them surely they have to be of a certain standard.
I also have to say I think GW completely rapes WoW graphically but that's just my opinion.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 14:26 Post subject: |
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WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO COMPARE THESE TWO GAMES?!?!!?
Sorry, but I don't get it. Is it because GW is made by ex-blizzard employees or something!? They are completely different (GW is only vaguely an MMO) and they are aimed at incredibly different people.
I like WoW for it's combination of everything I love in standard MMO's with the Warcraft universe, but I also love GW for it's competitive play and missions. They are two different games and you donot have to like one over the other.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 15:13 Post subject: |
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Due to the pointless arguement Im going to cross post something I said in another thread (as I feel it has some scope into this discussion..)
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I'm lvl42 on WOW, I love the game but I know I will no doubt get bored in the end as the no game can keep you entertained forever. I want to see what GW has to offer simply out of curiosity seen as a good number of people are loving it. I will keep trying, maybe play 30mins a day and see if an urge kicks in for me to begin playing it "full time" (haha).
My opinion of the game right now lies something like this (This is for those people who want to start the game and are not sure, feel free to put accross some contending points those of you who have played  gonna be simple as I am at work):
The World/Character GFX are wonderful, I find the creatures a little crappy in comparison, this opinion is based on screenshots and my own experiences. Here's hoping this is one area we see growth in.
The details (spell, armour, weapon, area's) are great, they span far more than WOW, but I do still see a HUGE number of people who look and act in the same way: This is pretty acceptable so early on in the games running (less than one week in, people can't be uber yet  ).
The game concept is superb, but as I meantioned before I do feel like its almost the "counter strike" of MMORPG's as essentially it is not MM. The towns feel like an average online games lobby and each quest is just like begining a game, although there is broader scope due to the huge number of quests as well as the PVP aspects. Including the ability to pop right into PVP seems to contridict the whole RPG concept, thus I will continue to call it a MMOR (Massively Multiplayer Online RUCK). I suppose the game is following the same veign as planetside and the other "online battle" genre's which also took up the name MMORPG's.
The fighting system is a little less intense than WOW's (pets are pointless and you can't have seccondary weapon sets unless thats your choice) but along side this comes the added tactics.. So its a Good and Bad point depending on your view. You can't be uber in this game, that much is true, you can't have a huge sword, powerful magic and hard ass armor like some classes in WOW have (shamans). I would like to see some improvements made in this area, mainly when it comes to pets, as right now they *feel* useless. I also think the inclusion of 2 more ability slots and a way to make your character move more towards a certain area (much like the talent system in WOW, but more limiting to keep the tactics up) with one of they're professions, E.G. greater healing ability, longer range bows, more powerful FIRE spells .. you get the picture..
I think any real gamer can appreciate what this is trying to acheive and can also enjoy both it and WOW. However as I said before this game was without doubt created to fill in the void of online games that WOW left behind.. this is not a replacement, but an older brother !
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I voted WOW because GW did not pull me right in like WOW did.. but then again, it didnt try.. As Submiqent has already said the games are not comparable, they are not based on the same idea's and are not TRYING to compete.. It would take a very broad person to enjoy both at the same time.. *is trying and failing*..
anywho..
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 15:21 Post subject: |
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| Submiqent wrote: | | Is it because GW is made by ex-blizzard employees or something!? |
Wow! Really!? I never knew that.
I have WoW and played it quite a lot. Ever since I got it, I have always thought it was great and I have convinced myself I bought the best of the available MMORPGs. And then I got Guild Wars the other day. Initially I was blown away by the lush graphics and the stunning environment with some of the best looking water I have seen in a game. Everything is so much more detailed than WoW but having played it for many many hours, I just cannot get into the game. It just doesnt feel like the game is going anywhere and it gets boring. I havent joined a party yet and there are so many foreign people playing the game, who I obviously dont understand which makes it awkward to find a party. Aside from the great visuals and the lack of the pay to play fee, I fail to see what else this game has going for it. The fact that you can only see others in towns makes you feel very alone in the world, almost to the point where it feels like a single player affair. Maybe I need to play it some more and join a group but it just doesnt feel like an MMORPG at all.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 17:21 Post subject: |
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<Theres is no definitive answer>
My mmorpg "life" started with SWG, but it just never "clicked" for me, i moved on to AO which i played for quite some time, was around lvl 200 when i stopped because i got tired of killing huge pieces of rock known as "hecklers". So i bought EQ2 and had alot of fun with it for some time even persuaded my friends to join in the fun.
Then World of Warcraft came, and one of my friends bought it and persuaded me and the other EQ2 people to get into it with him, it was also a blast but i found it equally comparable to EQ2, because of EQ2's more expansive crafting system and the maturity of the people there. It was only a matter of time before i got tired of WoW, oncce you start thinking; Hey i level but what good does it do? i level so i can do more damage to the mobs or in PvP but the damage done is equal to the damage i did at my former level or even lvl 1 percent wise.
So i bought Guild Wars, never have i seen such lush environments and detailed dungeons before i played a RP charecter to lvl 20 and quitted it, because in that time span, it never "clicked" either. Now i'm playing Matrix Online despite the bad comments it had gotten, and i must say i'm having a blast of a time, here you can actually feel you get some where when you level "Now i can hyperjump yeah" or "cool i just met the merovingian and he welcomed me into the fold". It also has the random mission generator which i loved from AO so if i can't find a group i can always geta mission to my tastes and have some fun doing that, or i can do PvP if i feel like it "i'm on a PvP server, matrix terminology its 'Hostile'" and the combat system, don't even get me started on that, but it imho it knocks any of the other mmorpgs out of the water, when you see someone you shoot at swith an smg and his arms starts waving all over the place and body twitching, you know he dodged your bullets.
In the other mmorpgs you still "hit" the charecter meaning the same animation is shown over and over even if you don't actually "hit" the charecter. Also it is widely encouraged to RP which i liked from EQ2 so i'm in a RP "organisation" which is matrix language for "guild", thats also the same as it was in AO . Suffice it to say despite the bad comments on this game i have finnally found that this is the right game for me to play, and i can't stop doing so  .
Sorry for the bad formatting but i'm tired and need sleep now.
Been playing MxO since yesterday.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th May 2005 20:47 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | (pets are pointless and you can't have seccondary weapon sets unless thats your choice) |
Minor point of clarification, many people have succesfully used pets in their builds, during one of the beta's there was a very very deadly group of 8 E/R's that went well with them (or was it R/E's...). Your beast mastery increases the pet's damage and health (or just health, can't remember).
Anyway you can find it on www.guildwarsguru.com or www.gwonline.com .
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 01:59 Post subject: |
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OMG they are neck and neck at the time of me posting this message! 30 votes each!
May the NFOrce be with you always.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 02:15 Post subject: Re: World of Warcraft vs. Guild Wars |
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| Accelleron wrote: | Except, from what I hear now... it appears that the only thing GW brings to the table is widened skill tables. Otherwise, it seems relatively exploitative of the same old tactics used by last-gen games.
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That's where you are wrong, the skills are like cards in a deck, the more you have the more strategical oportunities you have, you can only use 8 at a time, which you choose before going outside a city or outpost.
The skills do different things, and the combination of these along with the other players is what makes it different.
In other games (WoW, EQ, pretty much everything) tactics is just pressing a button at the right time, and that's it.
Guild Wars is so much more, and it's nothing like you said above.
| JBrow wrote: | | Accelleron wrote: | | As a lv43 warrior |
alright i have 2 lvl 60's human paladin and warlock so i dont need to hear what lvl u are, second i played guildwars.... well guild wars is cool but not to my kinda taste. yes u dont have to wait hrs to get a group in GW cuz u just make npcs. the cap is lvl 20...meh. instead of running to a point and place u click and point in gw... but what ever. wow for life... duel me
-JB |
The steering in Guild Wars works just like it does in WoW and EQ2, obviously you didn't play the game.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 02:48 Post subject: |
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I prefer WoW, I can "casually" game it, and still have a lot of fun.
I usually don't have enough time to play MMORPG's - thus, I never really care about the little details. I get into WoW quickly, I like the fact that it's an already established universe, and not some new invented one.
What makes me like/dislike a game usually has to do with how well established it's world already is. That's why I didn't like Morrowind, and equally so - that's why I really loved the Baldur's Gate-series, and anything set in world's with lots of data and backstory to them.
I'm even replaying BG2 as I'm typing this, and it still is gold...
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 02:48 Post subject: |
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oOo guild wars and WoW are neck - neck
I wonder if peoples' opinions will change in a few months tho...
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 02:55 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: |
What makes me like/dislike a game usually has to do with how well established it's world already is. That's why I didn't like Morrowind, and equally so - that's why I really loved the Baldur's Gate-series, and anything set in world's with lots of data and backstory to them.
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You've gotta be kidding me. The elders scrolls games have some of the richest backstory of any RPG's. Especially considering how long running they are.
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