should i buy a new PSU and which gtx 1060 to get ?
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RainyDay




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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 21:33    Post subject: should i buy a new PSU and which gtx 1060 to get ?
Hi there, got 2 questions.

It's time to retire my trusty gtx 560, so i settled for gtx 1060. After looking all kinds of reviews... all the 1060, even the OCed are kinda ... the same anyway in the end. I think i settled for gigabyte WINDFORCE OC 6GB. I have read some nice things about gigabyte G1 gaming too.. but... are the extra buck really worth it ? (all the different 1060s are pretty much all bench marked +/- 1-3 fps no matter the versions)

Also the second reason i chose the WF is that it has a 6 pin power connector while the G1 has 8 pins - my psu has up to 2x 6 pins but no 8 pins... so.. yeah. That leads me to my second question - is it time to retire my PSU and get another one ?
Is there an advantage to get a new PSU if my current one is still doing a fine job ? (aside lacking 8 pins gpu connector and having perma-attached floppy disk connectors that will be never used again xD). I had mine for over 7 years with zero problems - CHIEFTEC GPS-650AB A (http://ru.gecid.com/power/chieftec_gps-650ab_a/?s=all - it is so old i couldnt even get any other link aside that russian one). Will i actually gain anything if i buy something newer or should i stick with a decade old PSU that still works fine ? What advantage would that be compared to an old PSU in good condition ?


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Janz




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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 21:52    Post subject:
simply cause i wouldnt work with adapters -> would buy a new psu

though the 1060 needs less ampere on the 12v rail than the 560 (20vs24) BUT the 560 had 2x6pin connectors right? that fits with the values on the rusky page which says 16A per 12V rail. but using a 1060 with a single 6pin (or 6 to 8 pin adapter) with a 16A rail is shit
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 22:24    Post subject:
7yo PSU? It's just a matter of time men, buy a new one ASAP


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 22:29    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
7yo PSU? It's just a matter of time men, buy a new one ASAP


Coming from someone with an old failing PSU around that age: yup why not.
No need to fool around with adapters and such. Most lose quite a bit of efficiency over those years.


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Janz




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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 22:35    Post subject:
the age only is absolutely no reason to replace it (except its about your wife and she is getting too old Very Happy)! mine is 7 years old too and working fine Wink

the probleme here are the 12v rails, they are not strong enough.combined for the formerly used 24ampere with 2x6 pin connectors yes everything is fine to deliver the needed 24ampere for the old card. but the new one needs 20a on a single rail, and the single rails of that psu are not strong enough with only 16ampere each
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 22:46    Post subject:
I can honestly advise on gigabyte g1 1060.
I've been reading on which one to get and got this one and I am super happy.
But I think most are nice except evga which overheats

It's only 60 c when gaming and fans dont spin in desktop mode. And even when they do in stress, its very quiet.


the ONLY problem I have with this card is extremely loud coil whine. It is mostly not there with vsync but without it it shreads brains.

but according to reddit, this is issue with gtx 1xxx cards totally no matter what brands mostly


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 22:57    Post subject:
Age is more than enough reason to switch to a newer PSU, 7 years is a long long time.


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 22:59    Post subject:
mine psu is 4yo... I would also like a new one but there is too much choice


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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 23:10    Post subject:
why should you replace stuff which works just fine? (ok in that case it needs replaced cause of the rails) yes hardware ages, yes it might not be as perfect as it was when it came out BUT actually proper older psus are much more reliable than any new stuff you can buy today cause every fucking oem outsourced their manufacturing to cheap shit factorys nowadays
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PostPosted: Mon, 19th Dec 2016 23:19    Post subject:
Actually proper newer psus are much more reliable than any old stuff you could buy in the past cause every fucking oem outsourced their manufacturing to cheap shit factories back then.

But seriously now, I'll bet that that 7yo is most likely using mostly (completely?) old ass electrolytic capacitors as opposed to solid ones. That would be more than enough reason, especially with seven years of capacitor degradation fucking up your shit


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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Dec 2016 02:05    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
I can honestly advise on gigabyte g1 1060.
I've been reading on which one to get and got this one and I am super happy.
But I think most are nice except evga which overheats

It's only 60 c when gaming and fans dont spin in desktop mode. And even when they do in stress, its very quiet.


the ONLY problem I have with this card is extremely loud coil whine. It is mostly not there with vsync but without it it shreads brains.

but according to reddit, this is issue with gtx 1xxx cards totally no matter what brands mostly


I tried a couple 1060`s i think they`re mostly the same, super quiet and never goes over 60C.

I ended up with the Gainward 1060 GS 6GB and it seems of high quality, the zotac seemed like a cheap thing by comparison.

100% happy and no coil whine or anything(Vsync or not) else of notice.
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Dec 2016 09:07    Post subject:
PSU is the only thing where you dont skimp out, i would not use 7 year old PSU even tho it works "just fine". It is also chieftec, a.k.a "takes PC with it when it goes off".
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Dec 2016 10:04    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
7yo PSU? It's just a matter of time men, buy a new one ASAP


This.

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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Dec 2016 21:49    Post subject:
Right.. so i guess i'll be upgrading .. i guess.. to something like EVGA evga supernova g2 750w..
My other problem right now is that after reading more and more stuff it seems that Radeon rx 480 actually has improved via drivers and overall has better performance as of now across dx11/12 titles compared to gtx 1060... damn it... Confused


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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Dec 2016 21:54    Post subject:
why 750w? complete OVERKILL

go for a good 500/550w psu and you are fine
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Dec 2016 22:07    Post subject:
because.. otherwise.. it kind of feels like a downgrade from my current 650 w (if the numbers are to be trusted) chieftec xD. Also who knows what will i get in the future..

but now i am on the fence about maybe going rx 480 instead of gtx 1060 Sad i could crossfire it in the futture and it seems that the the performance of the card has improved since the summer... blah


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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Dec 2016 22:21    Post subject:
dude just NO! you are wasting a) money and b) electricity cause it wont work in its best spectrum!

you wont go for sli and for everything else a proper 550w psu is more than enough! even with an massive oced i7 + 1080 you wont need much more than a round 400 watt for your complete system. 550w is more than enough!
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PostPosted: Tue, 20th Dec 2016 22:25    Post subject:
That 650W chieftec will likely handle less charge than any good 550W PSU out there, even if it was on its first day working
550W/600W is more than enough, go for it Smile


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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 01:15    Post subject:
Can I also ask here for PSU recommendation?
YOu can see my specs in sig.
Currently I have 2012 corsair gs 600w. It's making coil whine when cpu works and when the fans kick in, they are sure to be heard that they are ramping up... and when the fan operates it whistles. and that psu is not modular... and it was 100$ in 2012 Crying or Very sad

So anything black, modular and relatively quiet? possibly cheap Crying or Very sad And I must have black sleeved cables


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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 01:30    Post subject:
shouldn't fanless PSU have way more wattage than required for system ?


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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 03:08    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
So anything black, modular and relatively quiet? possibly cheap Crying or Very sad And I must have black sleeved cables


I went with an EVGA Supernova G2. Check some reviews out. Thought it was pretty good for the price.


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PostPosted: Wed, 21st Dec 2016 14:29    Post subject:
G2 series has best price performance, they are fucking awesome.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 15:45    Post subject:
So.. what should i get for a good 550/600 W ?

I thought about corsair CX600M.. it has nice reviews.. but there is some kind of tier list out there in the internet and according to it, it is bad ..


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 16:17    Post subject:
RainyDay wrote:
So.. what should i get for a good 550/600 W ?

I thought about corsair CX600M.. it has nice reviews.. but there is some kind of tier list out there in the internet and according to it, it is bad ..
What do you have available on the shops over there? Easier that way


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RainyDay




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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 20:30    Post subject:
uh well.. there are some stuff, mostly ononline shops, the thing is i want to get this thing over asap - before the holidays so im looking at local shops xD.

So far i got my eyes on:

Seasonic SS-620GB 620W - this thing looks ok. - good brand - tier 2 of a certain psu tier list xD
BUT
is not modular (can't find the modular version anywhere)
it is ages old as a model..

but i will take any recommendations..


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 20:33    Post subject:
Even if it's an old-ish model that would still be a top choice, but if you want to go modular then go modular


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Dec 2016 20:41    Post subject:
soo is there anything more worh it here or or here maybe FSP Hydro X 550 / 650W ?, or i could try and search for somthing like XFX TS 550W GOLD ?


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