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Godlikez*
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 03:16 Post subject: |
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http://www.tampabays10.com/video/player.aspx?aid=18920&sid=15047
Watch the full thing, Cruise makes him look really retarded. Perhaps he shouldn't have reacted so badly to the shit, humourless prank - but I think I can sympathise with him as in that situation I'd probably be a lot less composed and polite - he handled it well all things considered, and like I said; made the poor schmuck responsible feel really small.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 03:31 Post subject: |
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There are several ways of taking such a thing - I think Tom overreacted, he could've just laughed it off - he's a bit strung up and "high on his horse", believing he's something special. I feel he deserved that actually. I like it when people who think too damn highly of themselves get degraded. And Tom thinks too damn highly of himself.
A pity the guy who did it was such a wanker though, could've stood up to him instead - my response would've been something in the lines of:
"Hey! Tom! It's water! You needed to be brought down to earth man... and you proved me right, you're too damn strung up to take this as a joke... "
Tom Cruise, the man that believes in scientology... the most ridiculous religion in the history of mankind since Christianity.
Yeah, you're giving him an interview... because you're soooo special Tom, a real cure for cancer!
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 03:50 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I thought Tom made the guy look like a total shit, especially because he tried to squirm away and he grabbed him. It was really rude of him to squirt him in the middle of an interview. Sure do it as he comes over or something, but not while he's discussing the movie.
Hey, I just did some reading on scientology. Heres me thinking it was based on the pursuit of knowledge through scientific method, with the ultimate goal of understanding our universe, and thus becoming one with god (or the ultimate intelligence). Which in my opinion sounds quite resonable. But scientology is nothing like this, at all!
All this time i've been telling people;
"yeah, although I don't really adhere to any one religion, I believe in certain aspects of scientology"
Those who knew what it was must have though I was some kind of loon. The price of ignorance I guess.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 03:58 Post subject: |
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Scientology has extremely little to do with science man.
It's all about "us" coming from aliens, hydrogen-bombs, and science fiction.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 04:06 Post subject: |
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he needs to harden up lol
hes not special.. hes just a normal person..
"but cruise always signs autographs/greets fans"
omg who cares.. hes an actor.. nothing more
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 04:14 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | he needs to harden up lol
hes not special.. hes just a normal person..
"but cruise always signs autographs/greets fans"
omg who cares.. hes an actor.. nothing more |
One of the most highly payed and skilled actors in the business. I don't know your definition of special, but he certainly has rare talent, he should at least be respected for it.
He seems like a good guy, not narcissistic at all. Any normal person who's got dressed up to go out, or whatever, doesn't expect to get sprayed with water, in front of thousands of people. You're acting as if he's asking for preferential treatment, but he's not. Just the same respect you'd give to anyone else.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 04:38 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
[...] he certainly has rare talent, he should at least be respected for it.
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Nope. (Hilarious comment though, I mean Top Gun, Last Samurai... and that bartender flick? I'll give two films to ya though: Eyes wide shut (cause: legendary Director who knew how to use him), and Collateral (I think, the best thing he's done in his entire career... he gets owned by the main char though)
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He seems like a good guy, not narcissistic at all.
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Really? I could've sworn his real name was Narcissus.
| AnimalMother wrote: | | Any normal person who's got dressed up to go out, or whatever, doesn't expect to get sprayed with water, in front of thousands of people. |
Any "normal" person usually don't trot around thinking he/she's "so special".
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You're acting as if he's asking for preferential treatment, but he's not. Just the same respect you'd give to anyone else. |
This is the guy that in the media tells people that they're stupid for using anti-depressants (Brooke Shields).
| Tom Cruz wrote: | | Cruise says, "Here is a woman, and I care about Brooke Shields because I think she is an incredibly talented woman. You look at, where has her career gone?" |
I think Tom is a fuckwit.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 05:15 Post subject: |
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Well when i first heard this and saw it i thought it was funny. There were three ways he coulda gone about it... 1. was to laugh it off 2. would be to be mad or 3. to be calm about it. i think he was right to show him up like that and its got nothin to do with "who he thinks he is" it's just a bit of common courtesy u'd expect whoever u were.
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 06:05 Post subject: |
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Bah, I feel bad for Tom. fisk needs to grow a fuckin' heart real quick I think.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 06:17 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: |
[...] he certainly has rare talent, he should at least be respected for it.
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Nope. (Hilarious comment though, I mean Top Gun, Last Samurai... and that bartender flick? I'll give two films to ya though: Eyes wide shut (cause: legendary Director who knew how to use him), and Collateral (I think, the best thing he's done in his entire career... he gets owned by the main char though) |
I like quite a few films he's been in..... Interview with a vampire, mission impossible and minority report to name a few. I do think he was good in rain man and jerry maguire. I bet Fisk's only "respectable" actors will be those in huge blockbusters. (i bet he comes up with a list of b-list celebs now just to prove a point even though he doesnt like them) |
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 08:22 Post subject: |
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I feel bad for Tom, he acted pretty damn mature...
I wonder what would happen if Russel Crowe would be in Tom's shoes.........
About Hitman: Movie (2007)
Vin Diesel is a hardcore gamer, and absolutely loves the Hitman series. For that reason I have faith that he wont destroy the movie.
Response: Well, Uwe Boll probably loved the Alone in the Dark games.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 10:46 Post subject: |
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wow the poor sap spent a night a day in jail for that ???????????? and has the threat of charges hanging over him.
i will have to contact my solicitors i think, for all the times i have had some water thrown/squirted in my direction. perhaps a 'water bomb' could become a hanging offence.
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 11:54 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Nope. (Hilarious comment though, I mean Top Gun, Last Samurai... and that bartender flick? I'll give two films to ya though: Eyes wide shut (cause: legendary Director who knew how to use him), and Collateral (I think, the best thing he's done in his entire career... he gets owned by the main char though) |
Tom Cruise has been a part of many great films, I don't think he's very talented as his acting is one dimensonal and the characters all exhibit the same exact traits - but then I don't particularly consider acting to be anything special itself. His acting on the otherhand is not bad, far from it and the films he has been in are all entertaining.
| Quote: | | Really? I could've sworn his real name was Narcissus. |
This coming from you... Oh the irony.
| Quote: | | Any "normal" person usually don't trot around thinking he/she's "so special". |
I don't buy the nice guy image, and I don't consider the fact he takes time out to spend hours walking around premieres signing autographs, speaking to fans and all the rest of it as some kind of gesture of huge goodwill. It's not, and of course he understands doing something like this will improve his image and bring fans to his cause.
But it's still a gesture however engulfed in unspoken motive, and you'll find thousands more actors where he came from unwilling and more bigheaded and pompous who won't engage with their audience.
'A quick interview there, a quick wave here, okay, lets go...'
Tom Cruise recognises he's an actor and that many people for some reason worship him and the ground he walks on, he also recognises the TV stations want good interviews and the folks back home want to hear it... so he complies.
| Quote: | | This is the guy that in the media tells people that they're stupid for using anti-depressants (Brooke Shields). |
That's what he said was it? That she was stupid for using anti-depressants, or did he phrase it another way and substantiate that claim under the notion that perhaps the drugs do more harm and doctors are too willing to hand them out with little knowledge of what they actually do.
I assume Tom is someone who believes in overcoming such medical conditions without the use of drugs. He's not the only one, he's not the first and he won't be the last.
| Quote: | | I think Tom is a fuckwit. |
I think your overreacting.
| Quote: | | "Hey! Tom! It's water! You needed to be brought down to earth man... and you proved me right, you're too damn strung up to take this as a joke... " |
If it was someone dynamic like Dennis Pennis then fair enough, a comment like that might stand a chance, but if the same guy who did the original stupid, humourless prank was to say that Tom would just turn around in that non-emotional way and say "was that supposed to a joke? Funny? How?..."
It wasn't funny, it was pathetic and you think celebrities should just degrade themselves on the sole basis that they are celebrity? That's nearly as stupid as the prank itself. |
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 13:05 Post subject: |
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Ok, Ispep, you like the guy, I don't.
Like it how you twist it to me though, sorry man - I'm no narcissist, compared to Tom, I'm quite rather the opposite, let's move on... obviously you have a lot of feelings for Tom, I ain't taking those away, HOWEVER - I still think he's an average actor with a pompous attitude, you don't think that shows when he reacts towards that journalist?
If you don't find it funny to have a celebrity squirted in the face, then ok... just move on, the point of this type of prank is to reveal the true nature of the beast (so to speak) ... the way the person reacts tells how much of a sense of humour he has.
A joke isn't always "funny" by standard, it's how you take it that makes it either funny, or not.
Tom reacted in such a way, at least *I* started to wonder whether he had the roids or something - seriously man, being interviewed should be something HE should feel honored for... someone's actually making an effort of putting him into a paper?
This is a type of prank that shows like "candid camera" pull all the time, I just find it gets funnier when it's someone who gets pissed off (high strung, too high self-esteem).
"This is funny, how?"
If you're going to be a prick over a little joke, then I understand why you would ask that question - you have zero sense of humour Tom.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 13:10 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | I like quite a few films he's been in... |
Movie != Actor.
But it's true, he's ok.
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 13:47 Post subject: |
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| fisk wrote: | | Ok, Ispep, you like the guy, I don't. |
I don't like the guy, I have no feelings for or against really, I'm neutral.
| Quote: | | I still think he's an average actor with a pompous attitude, you don't think that shows when he reacts towards that journalist? |
We all have our faults, and Tom Cruise might occasionally appear pompous I agree, but I'd hate to see a celebrity Fisk that's for sure.
| Quote: | | If you don't find it funny to have a celebrity squirted in the face, then ok... |
It's not funny, it's pathetic. I'm not saying don't humiliate celebrities, just do it intellgentilly and with wit. Spraying somebody with water isn't going to illicit much of a response from me and the way Tom reacted nullified any hilarity even further.
If you want to see celebrities humiliated properly check out Dennis Pennis, his DVD is brilliant.
He doesn't throw water in their face - he effectively kicks them in the teeth, grapples them to the ground and pounds them in the stomach while they lay on the floor helpless trying to fumble their way out of his reach.
But he does all this with spoken words.
| Quote: | | the point of this type of prank is to reveal the true nature of the beast (so to speak) ... the way the person reacts tells how much of a sense of humour he has. |
I'd like to see you try and pass that off in a scientific study, it's such a myopic comment that I can't even begin to respond - there are far too many variables to take into consideration and Toms reaction was NOT genuine.
| Quote: | | seriously man, being interviewed should be something HE should feel honored for... someone's actually making an effort of putting him into a paper? |
Wrong, those journalists make a career out of interviewing people such as Tom (who makes a career out being someone people want to interview), it's a supply and demand situation - and I think your spinning his comment about gifting an interview. He could have spoken to anyone, and he was in mid-interview, not holding back, it was a proper interview too, he wasn't waiting until he could just move along the line he was selling himself to the camera which is what they all want (including the folks back home).
| Quote: | | This is a type of prank that shows like "candid camera" pull all the time, I just find it gets funnier when it's someone who gets pissed off (high strung, too high self-esteem). |
It wasn't funny though, and although I don't feel sorry for Tom Cruise I do feel that he was in the right to be upset by the incident. It was a cheap and pathetically low gag that my 3 year old nephew could have executed. It also thankfully backfired on them.
| Quote: | "This is funny, how?"
If you're going to be a prick over a little joke, then I understand why you would ask that question - you have zero sense of humour Tom. |
"but the point remains, it's not funny so therefore how am I supposed to find it in any way amusing? Maybe your sense of humour is so warped or infantile as to clash with my more developed sense of humour? Either way I'm still standing here soaked through wondering what the punchline of this particular gag was... Jerk. Jerk. Jerk. Jerk. Jerk." |
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Ispep
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 13:59 Post subject: |
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Also accept the possiblity that it may not have been water, he wasn't to know that at the time.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 15:24 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | We all have our faults, and Tom Cruise might occasionally appear pompous I agree, but I'd hate to see a celebrity Fisk that's for sure. |
Again, I am not part of the argument, please stop dragging me into it.
| Quote: | It's not funny, it's pathetic. I'm not saying don't humiliate celebrities, just do it intellgentilly and with wit. Spraying somebody with water isn't going to illicit much of a response from me and the way Tom reacted nullified any hilarity even further.
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Humour, and intelligence aren't necessarily the same ... and wit? Have you ever seen "The wild boys", or any show on MTV where people humiliate themselves? That's neither intelligent nor witty... it's tragically funny however, and I think this is on the same level.
I find it pathetic the way Tom reacted. Such a fucking "Oh, I'm a grown man now ... this is what grown men say".
| Quote: | | I'd like to see you try and pass that off in a scientific study |
Scientific study? Why the hell would I do that, humour is about instinct, would you honestly believe that if... ie. "Jack Black" had been targeted with the same prank, the same thing would've happened?
Never, because he's got a sense of humour. Tom does not.
| Quote: | | Wrong, those journalists make a career out of interviewing people such as Tom (who makes a career out being someone people want to interview), it's a supply and demand situation |
Wrong, Tom, like most fake people in Hollywood make a career out of painting a fake image of themselves in the press. Hollywood nowadays are more about image than talent, more about PR, and being as "proper" as possible. True, journalists earn money from interviewing people like Tom - but people like Tom should be glad they were interviewed at all... some people, that are incredibly talented don't get interviews, and therefore don't get jobs.
Hollywood is PR, and PR is media. You can be the best guy in the world... without the press attention, you're a nobody in the eyes of the world. Sad but true.
| Quote: | | It wasn't funny though, and although I don't feel sorry for Tom Cruise I do feel that he was in the right to be upset by the incident. It was a cheap and pathetically low gag that my 3 year old nephew could have executed. It also thankfully backfired on them. |
It was funny, in a sad way - because it reaffirmed the fact that Tom is a strung up, "Yeah I'm good" pretentious fake.
Had the guy who did the prank been any more of a man, he would've stood up to him - but that's another issue.
These socially constructed boundries of maturity are really boring. Life is about living, not about being upset by a little water in the face.
Tom is the 3-year old here, if anyone. "Boohoo, I got face in the water - my image as a self-important smileyboy is ruined"
| Quote: | | "but the point remains, it's not funny so..." |
I suggest you do a scientific report about what's funny and what isn't - how some people that think Monty Python is hilarious, but find Dave Chapelle the most boring man on earth.
Humour is about social constructs, we "learn" what's funny and how to react, by the way we are brought up. This is why humour are different in different parts of the world - and why different people in the same room can laugh at very different things.
You didn't find it funny, ok...
| Quote: | | Maybe your sense of humour is so warped or infantile as to clash with my more developed sense of humour? |
The narcissisms are apparently something you really, truly envy in Tom ... seriously, why the fuck do you have to be rude to me because I found this funny? Quit it with the personal comments, you should be above that - since you're supposed to be the moral compass on maturity here.
Ironic, you seem to find it kewl to make cheap-shots at me, but when someone does it to someone you obviously like (Tom), it's out of taste.
That just doesn't add up man! 
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 16:23 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Again, I am not part of the argument, please stop dragging me into it. |
Who is dragging you into this 'arguement'? I merely highlighted the irony in you calling Tom Cruise narcissistic and in my second comment tried to highlight the difficulties everyone faces (especially so in the public eye). Do you honestly think that you wouldn't have faults if you were a multi-million dollar super star? I highly doubt it.
It's all very well to be cynical about things, and yes Tom Cruise isn't anything particularly special in the grand scheme of things - but he is to the people who buy the magazines, tune into the TV stations and follow him around - and at the end of the day if there is a product there for Tom Cruise to sell he's going to sell it. He's not going to think to himself; well hang on a minute, some rather cynical individuals don't rate me or my output, perhaps it's unwise for me to continue along this path and instead say no to all of the trappings of celebrity?
And why may I ask are you taking this so personally because that was not the intention.
I couldn't care less about Tom Cruise, I just found this little incident amusing. In other topics about him I've lambasted his one dimensonal acting and nice man facade, but that doesn't change the fact that this particular incident is a victory for him in my eyes.
I hate with a passion all this pathetic, mindless guff that populates the TV, it's nice to see that blow up in their own faces for a change.
| Quote: | | Wrong, Tom, like most fake people in Hollywood make a career out of painting a fake image of themselves in the press. Hollywood nowadays are more about image than talent, more about PR, and being as "proper" as possible. |
Ahh the cynic. No I don't disagree, but at the same time I don't know how it's relevant. I'd also suggest that this withholding of evidence, so to speak, and the projection of an angelic man above reproach is merely the logical path for such celebrities to take. The press is very intrusive and unforgiving, you have to play the press, whilst the press plays you.
What, is Tom Cruise the only celebrity guilty of such manipulation? Do the media give two shits? Do the vast majority of the public give any consideration to this? Seemingly not....
| Quote: | Scientific study? Why the hell would I do that, humour is about instinct, would you honestly believe that if... ie. "Jack Black" had been targeted with the same prank, the same thing would've happened?
Never, because he's got a sense of humour. Tom does not. |
That's an assumption on your part and I don't share it.
Tom Cruise is not a funny guy, some people have that ability, most don't. You can't expect him to be someone he's not.
| Quote: | | It was funny, in a sad way - because it reaffirmed the fact that Tom is a strung up, "Yeah I'm good" pretentious fake. |
It had nothing to do with him being pretentious, his reaction was much more synonmous with someone caught unawares trying to control his emotions, hence the following 'ejaculations' of "jerk". I'm sorry but you have to accept that celebrities err on the side of caution when it comes to controling their real emotions - say the wrong thing and it's effectively career suicide. Tom will have been aware of all the cameras pointed at him.
As I said, beyond the fact that there was no logical buildup to the HILAROUS JOKE OF SPRAYING SOMEONE IN THE FACE WITH WATER (ROFLMAO!!!), he was caught unawares and you have to also accept the possiblity he didn't even know it was water or why he was being sprayed and the joker responsible was incredibly moronic simply handing Tom the mic. It seemed his penchant for humour stopped short of doing anything other than a mindless, humourless stunt.
It was pathetic and it's all very well sitting there in your chair analytically beliving that he overreacted but I'd wonder how you'd react in the same position.
| Quote: | Ironic, you seem to find it kewl to make cheap-shots at me, but when someone does it to someone you obviously like (Tom), it's out of taste.
That just doesn't add up man! |
The reason it doesn't add up correctly is because your adding your own numbers to the equation - I never made any cheap shots and I don't like Tom Cruise or think the water stunt was out of taste (I thought it was dumb personally). |
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 16:51 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | And why may I ask are you taking this so personally because that was not the intention.
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So now you've made a fool out of your self, and try to dodge it - very artful, but I'll educate you any way, in case you might make this mistake in the future:
In any argument, should you start discussing the person you're arguing with INSTEAD of the topic, you're deviating from the argument, and most probably because you didn't have anything better to counterargue with.
| Quote: | | Do you honestly think that you wouldn't have faults if you were a multi-million dollar super star? I highly doubt it. |
This topic is not about me, is that so hard to comprehend?
Stop it with the "I was merely", you're off-topic, and you know it.
| Quote: | | I couldn't care less about Tom Cruise |
This topic isn't about you either, but you could've fooled me on this issue. You seem very interested for someone who "couldn't care less".
I call it reality. But again, this isn't about me.
| Quote: | | is Tom Cruise the only celebrity guilty of such manipulation? |
Nope, but he's the one on the topic right now.
| Quote: | | Do the media give two shits? |
Obviously they do, since they've plastered this Channel-4 prank across media all over the world.
| Quote: | | You can't expect him to be someone he's not. |
On the contrary, he's an actor, and a man who acts like someone he's not most of the time. Do I expect him to have a sense of humour? Nope... I know he hasn't, and I think he deserves having it shoved into his face.
The fact that he made this into a legal matter further proves what an utter nitwit he is. He takes his image far too seriously, but if all you are is a facade, that probably happens.
| Quote: | | he didn't even know it was water or why he was being sprayed |
Yes, a member of british Channel-4 would spray anything dangerous? (as you're implying).
This was part of a prank-series on Channel-4, Tom wasn't the only targeted celeb... Sharon Osbourne was another, she responded with a bucket of water over the reporter. I think that's a nice comeback, Tom's is just as bullshit as he is.
| Quote: | | It was pathetic and it's all very well sitting there in your chair analytically beliving that he overreacted but I'd wonder how you'd react in the same position. |
This may come as a surprise to you, but this topic is not about me.
I am not analytical, I call him a man who lacks humour, someone who is overdramatic, someone who is fake, and someone who trots around thinking too damn highly of himself (for no reason).
| Quote: | | The reason it doesn't add up correctly is because your adding your own numbers to the equation |
So you're saying you DIDN'T make this about me? That this is just an illusion of mine. Interesting, half your post seems to involve me, rather than Tom.
If you want to argue my poor humour, how I would react if I got squirted with a water pistol, how I add numbers, or how cynical I am - write a PM.
You obviously don't want to argue this furthermore (and I don't think it's worth it either), so I'll take my leave of this topic - steadfastly knowing what a complete pile of horseshit Tom is, and how this reaction reaffirmed that.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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OMG, SOME CELEBRITY GETS WATER OVER HIM AND NOW EVERY1 IS "FLAME-ING".
cut the crap plz :\
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 16:59 Post subject: |
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| sTo0z wrote: | | Bah, I feel bad for Tom. fisk needs to grow a fuckin' heart real quick I think. |
he deserve it man
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fisk
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2005 17:06 Post subject: |
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| skidrow wrote: | OMG, SOME CELEBRITY GETS WATER OVER HIM AND NOW EVERY1 IS "FLAME-ING".
cut the crap plz :\ |
If you call what I write "flaming", then I wonder why ie. the political section exists at all - saying "Hello", over there is more of a flame than this.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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