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 Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 21:14 Post subject: Thief 2X - Shadows of the Metal Age |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 21:39 Post subject: |
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I loved thieft3 more than the 2 first..
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 21:50 Post subject: |
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Thief 3 wasn't too bad.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 22:32 Post subject: |
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thief 3 wasnt bad atall. It wasnt perfect, but it was enjoyable, especially on hardware that recently came out, like the geforce 6 and ati x800 series of cards
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vurt
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vurt
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 23:21 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 23:35 Post subject: |
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i bougth the original last year and didnt even played it, its there inside a shelf drawer next to Farcry.
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vurt
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| Posted: Thu, 5th May 2005 23:36 Post subject: |
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| @Zion wrote: | | vurt wrote: | Thief3 was way better than Thief 1-2. It was less linear and had more interesting missions / story. The AI and ragdolls is also rather fun to fool around with  Thief3 is one of the best PC games ever imho, superb level design + atmosphere.. |
Thief 3 is the god of linear gameplay, theres only one single route to everything you have to do in Thief 3
- Play once you know it all
- Railroad track gameplay
- Extremely dumb AI
- Buggy engine
- Characters that have plastic looks
- Extremely small areas with quite big loadings
- No in-depth story like in previous Thief
- Story is dumped to you rather then learned like in previous Thief, where you learn stuff from the world and story from reading books and hearing conversations
- No rope-arrow
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Most stuff in that list can be applied to Thief 1-2 too. "Railroad track gameplay"(actually it's WORSE in Thief1-2, duh!), dumb ai etc..
The areas aren't that small really, not compared to most other games, and the loading times are very fast (much better than e.g Half Life 2 which bored me to death with it's 1 minute loading times every 5 minutes).
Thief 3 is much less linear than the previous two since you now at least have a world / city that you can walk around freely in and there's some freedom to which missions you want to do.. you can also rob people on the streets or break into peoples homes and steal stuff.. Not to mention that you're no longer forced to sneak for an entire mission, you play exactly how you want (less linear gameplay).
The Engine has one bug and that is the ragdolls that sometimes bends backwards when they fall, other than that i havent seen anything strange, I think even to this date it's a superb looking game (the artwork is awesome!) + runs very well on older hardware too.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th May 2005 01:26 Post subject: |
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Theres no rope-arrow in Doom3, anyway Thief 3 doesnt come even 1% as good as previous Thieves, altough enjoyable it simply doesnt compare !
Anyways keep it all about Thief2X please !
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| Posted: Fri, 6th May 2005 02:42 Post subject: |
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| @Zion wrote: | Theres no rope-arrow in Doom3, anyway Thief 3 doesnt come even 1% as good as previous Thieves, altough enjoyable it simply doesnt compare !
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Agree completely. Vurt, the whole game is about sneaking, in Thief 3 you could just run around killing everyone. Also, the actual missions themselves are pathetically linear compared to Thief 2's, we're not talking about the little transitional town areas.
I remember when thief 3 was new, you were one of the only people who defended it.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 6th May 2005 08:33 Post subject: |
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Thief 3 received very good reviews when it came out, so i'm not exactly the only one who's digging it, and it still has a rather large fan base if you check out the EIDOS forums or TTLG. The arguments from the "hate crowd" is also very vague, to say the least.. I've yet to see a good/sane argument why Thief 1-2 would be better in any way.
Thief 3 isn't about killing everything, unless you want to play it that way, you see, that is called freedom of choice. And i dont believe you have played it through if you say it's about "killing everything". In The Cradle mission you cant kill the "ghosts"(which makes perfect sense), you're forced to sneak, at least for a while, makes much more sense than being forced to sneak past guards etc in the previous games.
I'd say that the missions are less linear than most Thief 1-2 missions (routes). For example that mission in Thief2 where you're supposed to follow some people for an entire mission and if you made the slightest error the mission is over (e.g taking the wrong path). Talk about linear level design / linear gameplay..! There are quite a few different routes you can take in Theif3, especially when you get the climbing gloves.
I think most people are very anti-Thief3 because it was also released on X-box and the fact that Deus Ex 2 was released like a month or so before, a game that made a whole lot of people really pissed(most DX fans are also Thief fans). Also, the controlls in Thief3 arent really that great from the begining, same with some of the interface stuff, but that can easily be altered in the .ini files. The graphics (textures) can be upgraded which makes the guards, walls etc much better looking.
I guess many people (at least a few people in this thread) didn't bother or just have very preconceived notions about the game, thus missing out on perhaps the best horror/sneaking game on PC.
(sorry for making the thread a bit OT).
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2005 08:51 Post subject: |
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Thief 1 and 2 were much better than 3.
The only thing going for part 3 is the improved graphics.
The "rpg" experience in the town was annoying after you've played for a while. I didn't like the levels nearly as much as the first two games. All too carefully layed out for you. The levels in thief 3 are tiny compared to the first 2. The difficulty seemed too easy as well.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th May 2005 22:21 Post subject: |
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Thief fans rejoice for our long awaited project is done!! 
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2005 00:56 Post subject: |
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I believe the official FAQ for it states that you need the original Thief 2 for it.
So, not standalone unfortunatley.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2005 03:45 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2005 09:02 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | Most stuff in that list can be applied to Thief 1-2 too. "Railroad track gameplay"(actually it's WORSE in Thief1-2, duh!), dumb ai etc..
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Did you ever play Thief 1/2 ?
Rairoading worse than in Thief 3? How's that?
You always had lots of ways to do the missions.
Do you go in the basemant window or use a rope arrow and enter through the balcony or do you create a diversion to lure the guards away and sneak in the front door?
Sure some missions wre more linear, like the one where you have to follow that guy, but that's and unavoidable part of the missions concept.
If you take a different way, you'll loose the track and he gets away. Personally I think that was a great mission.
Except for these few special situations, there always were lots of diffierent ways to do the mission. T3 usually only has 1 way in.
About the dumb Ai.
In T1 maybe, but considder how old that game is. For it's time the Ai was quite good.
T2 has very good AI. Nothing dumb at all.
Of course you have to play it on very hard. At lower difficulty settings, the AI is purposely dumbed down. If you realy want to know what it's capable of, play on highest difficulty. It's much better than the T3 AI.
The only improvement in T3 is the lockpicking. That's realy done very nice, but almoste every other aspect of the game is a step backwards from T2.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2005 10:50 Post subject: |
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I thought thief 3 was decent, a worthy follower to the series but it didnt pust thief 2 of the throne...
T2X is actually the largest fanbased mod ever made for a game which is cool
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2005 10:50 Post subject: |
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| Darkl0rd wrote: |
Did you ever play Thief 1/2 ?
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Rairoading worse than in Thief 3? How's that?
You always had lots of ways to do the missions.
Do you go in the basemant window or use a rope arrow and enter through the balcony or do you create a diversion to lure the guards away and sneak in the front door?
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So? There's options like that in Thief3 too. There's no rope arrow but you have climbing gloves later on and you can still lure the guards away and enter e.g a front door instead of a window etc, you still have noise arrows, water arrows, oil flasks (a great addition to the series, makes for some good laughs!) etc.. If you haven't played it perhaps you should before jumping to conclusions...
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About the dumb Ai.
In T1 maybe, but considder how old that game is. For it's time the Ai was quite good.
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Yeah i can agree with that. But the AI in Thief3 isnt that dumb compared to most other games, i was very uninpressed by the latest splinter cell for
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T2 has very good AI. Nothing dumb at all.
Of course you have to play it on very hard. At lower difficulty settings, the AI is purposely dumbed down. If you realy want to know what it's capable of, play on highest difficulty. It's much better than the T3 AI.
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Possible but i doubt it, haven't tried them on the highest difficulty. Did you finish Thief3 on the highest difficulty settings and did you even play it with the latest patch applied (fixes the AI reseting issue?). It's also possible to edit the .ini files and change the AI behaviour if there's something you dont like.
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The only improvement in T3 is the lockpicking. That's realy done very nice, but almoste every other aspect of the game is a step backwards from T2. |
You forgott
* you can visit shops, far better than that looking at a boring screen after each mission.
* having a city to walk around in + own apartment really adds to the atmosphere and feeling of being a part of a larger world.
* more freedom to which missions you want to do, less linear gameplay
* more interesting characters (NPC's), never cared for the ones in Thief1-2.
* It's possible to rob people and break into peoples homes
* better level design
* better graphics (the shadows are great looking).
* much scarier than previous games. No level in Thief 1-2 comes even close to levels like Shalebridge Cradle in Thief3, i dont think any game does (which is a huge accomplishment in itself since it's not even a pure horror game!)
* play the game how you like. Kill everyone and everything or sneak, it's totaly up to the player now unlike Thief 1-2 which has less freedom of choice.
And yes the new lockpicking is a huge improvment, it adds tension that the previous games lacks. And really, how good is a game about a _thief_ without a proper implemented lockpicking feature? Not very good imho.
Something that totaly sucked with Thief3 was the map and once you got the climbing gloves there where many exploits (like seeing more than you should.. anyone who has seen "Dark City" knows what im talking about hehe).
On topic: Anyone tried it yet? Is it any better than Thief2 (level design)?
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| Posted: Mon, 16th May 2005 12:42 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 17th May 2005 03:38 Post subject: |
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Let me tell you guys this expansion is quality, it is very very good, raises the quality above Thief 1 & 2 !!!
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| Posted: Wed, 18th May 2005 06:13 Post subject: |
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the only thing i didn't like about thief 3 was the fact that the zones were so small and the loading so frequent.
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| Posted: Wed, 18th May 2005 09:52 Post subject: |
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I had to restart Thief 3 several times, because i messed up in the city and had like 100 guards after me in each zone.
ARG
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