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 Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 19:12 Post subject: Gothic 1 Remake [TBA] |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 19:19 Post subject: |
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Lol, remake has more pop in than original 
UE4 = fail
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 19:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 19:45 Post subject: |
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I want G1 remake so bad but
but...
why does it looks like your generic "NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN" ue4 template?
WHY GOD
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 19:51 Post subject: |
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Hm, can't install on Steam. Only "add to wish list"... Is this Argentina thing?
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 20:28 Post subject: |
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I'm "in" argentina and I can from the launcher. It's listed as "in library". Search for it via the app number: 950670.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 21:24 Post subject: |
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Chromatic Abomination strikes again
1 and 2 are still amazing.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2019 23:19 Post subject: |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 00:00 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I've tried approaching this surprise remakeboo demo with an open mind, but in its current state, both its gameplay and design have little to do with Gothic. 
Aside from the (awful) cinederpmatic prologue, everything here feels completely out of the place. The oversaturated visuals with nextgen post-processing are annoying just like the giant interface, camera/movements and dialogue trees (with a chatty Namelessbro for some reason  ), which are all designed with the gamepad in mind. The environmental structure is un-Gothic-esque as well, it feels like playing a Spiders game, only worse. The biggest offender though for me is the combat system with the silly big directional arrows à la For Honor: it's too static, unresponsive and overall not fitting at all. I couldn't even finish the demo, honestly, the only suggestion that I have at the moment is to throw the thing in the swamp and re-remake it from scratch with a team that understands better the Gothic universe ..or just throw the whole idea there as well
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 00:12 Post subject: |
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Why remake? The game is perfect as is. Just had a replay of Gothic last month. Make a new game and don‘t use UE4.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 00:19 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 00:25 Post subject: |
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Why is this so stylized?
It almost looks like Disco Elysium Gothic
But why?
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 01:13 Post subject: |
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vurt
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 09:32 Post subject: |
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Pretty good imo! Could use some work for e.g combat but they understand the atmosphere of Gothic i think, stuff like item placement and level layout is done well.
Not sure i'm a fan of the faces, perhaps a bit too "stylized" there, no biggie really.
Voice acting was surprisingly well done.
Hated the fucking FMV sequences. Just let me play and read the dialogue quickly and skip the speech. Easy to fix..
Icons for e.g items. Ugly, non-immersive. Easy to fix.
Nah, not sure what's up your bums. Great news and i don't see it as a finished game because its not.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 09:32 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | Do you own either of these?
| Quote: | | “Today, a free playable prototype of what a new Gothic could look and feel like will appear in the Steam Library of everyone who owns … Gothic 1-3, Risen 1-3, or ELEX.” |
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Apologies. I'm an idiot. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 09:33 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | Voice acting was surprisingly well done. |
Does it have Jiormans doing ANGLISCH NOBALMAN AKKSAAANTs? |
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vurt
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 09:51 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | Not sure you've played the original games but they certainly don't have germans doing the English voices.. |
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JBeckman
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 09:51 Post subject: |
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The world building could be better too but the prototype could be changed significantly so there's a chance it might be better, lip syncing and animation for the non-German voice acting can also improve though for now I'm not sure what's this going to end up like.
EDIT: This example via Era for the trek down into the valley and first view of the colony.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/thq-nordic-releases-gothic-remake-prototype-for-pc-to-gauge-interest-in-full-scale-production-see-threadmark.159088/page-2#post-27374717
From a opening in the cliffs down to the valley itself to this which is just more rocks.
Early alpha and all but we'll see, have a feeling even current Piranha Bytes would struggle to recapture the early Gothic games though then it's always felt like they had grand ideas and very limited budget and every time they do try it's a mismatch of ideas and various more or less successful results or outright broken systems and compromises.
More time and a big budget would be nice but it might also end up like Gothic 3 did taking a very long time and when it's pushed to release it was still nowhere near ready.
EDIT: Well I suppose that doesn't say much, it'd be a modern re-imagining or straight up remake and with publisher interests it would also need to go multi-platform and be a bit mainstream because the costs of AA or AAA development is quite high and the development time required as well.
(That new studio from one of the ex-Arkane developers recently had some musings on that which seemed quite apt and their game Weird West. - https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/weird-west-top-down-action-rpg-immersive-sim-from-arkane-founder-raf-colantonio.130814/ )
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vurt
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 10:02 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | vurt wrote: | | Nah, not sure what's up your bums. Great news and i don't see it as a finished game because its not. |
Who saw it as a finished game? They are literally asking for feedback based on this demo. If you want a half arsed Gothic remake, you're probably going to get one, but if it's supposed to be in the spirit of the original then it fails in almost every way. I am glad you are in the minority, because perhaps there is some very slight chance that they can turn this around based on the feedback. |
No one knows if it's gonna be a half-arsed game since it's just an early demo, that was kind of my point.. it certainly has its faults, but quite minor stuff that easily can be fixed if given proper feedback (instead of "shit sucks" or i'll rather play game X or Y).
The Steam ""reviews"" here are stupid, to 80% its just hate, 20% is proper feedback.
Edit: i do not like this almost blinding white distance fog.. the originals has this rather nice looking grey fog, hope they can implement something similar.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 11:15 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | JBeckman wrote: | | Early alpha and all but we'll see |
As per your resetera link:
| Quote: | | You can't use the "it's a prototype" excuse to hand wave issues when the entire point of the prototype is to solicit feedback. They're getting feedback. They missed the mark. They aren't even close. |
It doesn't matter what it's classified as if the point of it is to gauge player feedback. I really do not see what is constructive about sugar coating the state of things or settling with issues because they can be fixed via mods later. Just going through the thread you linked makes the design decisions even more bewildering. |
Probably that commenter was banned for microaggressions and being ableist by mocking jazz hands (“hand wave”). |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 12:33 Post subject: |
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Game crashes on startup for me.
UE4 & AMD GPUs is still a nono, sadly. I need to roll back the driver to 19.12.1 for this to work apparently.
Can't be bothered.
edit: Here is a fix that works without reinstalling:
1. Unpack older amd driver that was working, I chose 19.12.1 but any from 2019 "should" work.
2. Find the atidxx64.dll probably located => C:\AMD\Win10-64Bit-Radeon-Software-Adrenalin-2019-Edition-19.12.1\Packages\Drivers\Display\WT6A_INF\B349181
3. Copy n paste atidxx64.dll into the same folder as gothicremake.exe
4. Play the game.
This should work on other unreal engine 4 games also crashing, drop it in game name\unreal\binarys\win64 (might be named unreal-win64-shipping.exe)
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So much talk, fucking icons everywhere, acheivement unlocked, unskippable cutscenes, very VERY bad combat, weird sluggish movement, achievement unlocked, yes its a demo, but it makes me dont want to play it. I dont want to talk with an NPC because I dont want to hear his fucking voice again. Blablabla. Just shut the fuck up and punch him in the face already, achievement unlocked. Landscapes look somewhat cool, but its like they put vaseline over everything.
They can improve still, but you can see the direction they want to take and its not going to be a good Gothic game like this.
But I know it will find supporters because people want Gothic games. Maybe it will improve and they will learn and do it better. But I doubt it very much.
I'd rather replay Gothic 3 with mods than this.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 13:19 Post subject: |
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For honor combat system is the one thing i think really fits as the extension of the ideas Gothic1/2 combat system had
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 14:01 Post subject: |
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Why a remake? I've there gonna redo everything then write a new story.
The good of the original game was that it was an open world third person rpg and those were rare at the time, the story and setting didn't make it great.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 14:40 Post subject: |
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| friketje wrote: | Why a remake? I've there gonna redo everything then write a new story.
The good of the original game was that it was an open world third person rpg and those were rare at the time, the story and setting didn't make it great. |
+ they wouldn't piss people off because "this doesn't feel like the original at all!!!!" (i mean, no shit man, the original game is like 20 years old! no game will feel like its 20 years old unless its fucking 20 years old...)
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 15:17 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | friketje wrote: | Why a remake? I've there gonna redo everything then write a new story.
The good of the original game was that it was an open world third person rpg and those were rare at the time, the story and setting didn't make it great. |
+ they wouldn't piss people off because "this doesn't feel like the original at all!!!!" (i mean, no shit man, the original game is like 20 years old! no game will feel like its 20 years old unless its fucking 20 years old...) |
There are alot more aspects the "Gothic feeling" than it feeling aged.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2019 15:20 Post subject: |
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I thought I'd try it but I played through the entire thing, about 3 hours. I actually like it and think it's a good base to build upon. Seeing the credits, this was made by very few people and in a short time I imagine. I think they do get what Gothic is about at its core and this was more of a proof of concept. There's so many things about it that people overreact about that can be fixed with polish and some settings. Yes, there are bigger issues as well, but I think what's important is that they get proper feedback and less of "this is shit! why bother?". My hope is that the team behind this would be given more people and funds, maybe even collaborate with PB going forward to improve on this and make a complete remake. Or hell, even a new game in the franchise.
For me this was a nice surprise and I find the thing that Valve did on Steam with these demos interesting. It's basically bringing the idea of playable demos at these big events to the online world.
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