Didn't get far in this one, as usual guy missing the point taking what Peterson says on face value. No different to that lady that embarrassed herself interviewing him, his conclusion to that make-up opinion laughable.. who cares if he makes 100k on patreon?
Just try listening to Peterson on his debate against Matt Dillahunty.
Selling his mostly male and apparently severely oppressed audience the conservative, religious cool aid.
BTW Dusty summed it up 100% perfect.
Nalo wrote:
AmpegV4 wrote:
Didn't get far in this one, as usual guy missing the point taking what Peterson says on face value. No different to that lady that embarrassed herself interviewing him, his conclusion to that make-up opinion laughable..
So you didn't get far enough to view the part where he says that your response is a typical JBP fanboy response?
Seriously the dude takes stuff out of context and then makes completely retarded statements like "Jordan can't handle crazy women because he can't beat them up". I stopped watching after that.
There's so much to criticize like his simplistic view on postmodernism and its conclusions, especially his whole "cultural marxism" (seriously what the fuck even that is) his rather vague applications of evolution and hierarchical systems to capitalism and how it shows that capitalism is the "natural" way etc.
Well one of the bigger problems i have is that i don't exactly know what kind of "postmodernism" is being taught in the US.
What it seems to me is that its a bastardized and much simplified version of postmodernism has occurred in the US and guys like Peterson, Shapiro etc. are a direct response to it. Their responses are similarly simplified partly due to their lack of knowledge on the subject.
I think (this is my own personal view and very iffy), but it has a lot to do with the fact that the Anglo-Saxon world has in philosophy long ago stared championing positivism while continental Europe went in its own direction, with Marx, Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche etc. I think this is the reason the US is now hurting with these issues, because they aren't familiar enough with the works of these people.
i mean a great example for me is Marx himself, he didn't criticize the ownership of means of production, his point was the system itself. Meaning if the worker and owner exchange roles, nothing is solved the system is the same. Here i find a big problem with the American left (the loud one anyway) which are more obsessed in putting blame on others, talking about "white guilt" while instead of uniting based on economic class.
I mean who does a poor black man have more in common? Kayne West or a poor white man?
Ok, i rambled there a bit, back to the topic, i think these slightly to extreme right wing "commentators" are a direct response to the lefts poor arguments which should a profound lack of knowledge of their source material. That's why they are so easily dismissed. I would pay to see Jordan debate Žižek, seriously.
This guy does a great rundown of it and he also has some good counters to Jordans actual arguments.
or this one (espeically that marx didn't blame the oppressor/opressed)
I mean you never see Jordan or Shapiro or any of the others explain their position very well, they are mostly just reactive to what the left say, which is sad, because i think their views are very simple. I mean Shapiro once said in a talk when asked about Sweden that its a failed experiment (which it isn't, especially compared to the US), which shows a profound lack of knowledge on these issues.
Peterson in one of his talks said that the EU in his mind is doomed to fail, because the common man hasn't got a connection to the EU authority, its too far away. Which is a completely valid criticism of the EU, but then he said the US is better in that regard. I find that a bit funny since i feel the average American voter has as much connection the the president as i have to Junker.
Honestly i like that Jordan exists, he makes some fair points, points that need to be made for the left to become better and get more focus. That being said, i kinda like his psychological talks, he should stick with those.
Yeah I would say it's something like you say: the education institutions are heavily focused on the analytic outside of continental Europe (except for the that strange insular island called the UK). I think there is an incompatible chasm there, where it seems they cannot even communicate, probably due in part to the methodologies/logics of analytic phil/science.
Exactly this. Im a bit saddened that EU continental philosophers/thinkers sometimes don't interject on these topics, although i sometimes understand that its sometimes beneath them (given the level of debate).
Nalo wrote:
But with JBP it seems worse than mere misunderstanding.
I don't think it is, as i wrote i think he's a direct response to the rather lowbrow youtube PC culture or "SJW"s (a term i rather dislike). I was actually kinda disappointed in him, because i found him very early on and mostly watched his psychology lectures, which i have some problems with but on the whole are an interesting outlook. But here is my problem, the as Nazi's took Nietzsche's uberman (or overman) in completely the wrong context (which he himself explains), he did the exact same thing when it comes to Marx.
I have a feeling that the massive support he's gotten and the profound lack of challenging debate partners has done him a massive disservice. He's now only recycling stuff and being basically "anti-SJW". Ok his talk with Sam Harris (i haven't seen the debate Pumpy posted, but i think its more about religion, a topic i detest since i don't see the point of the whole atheism vs religion thing) was kinda ok, but i really think he needs a proper philosopher/thinker, someone that has more of a continental philosophy background to challenge him on these issues.
Nalo wrote:
I dislike Shapiro. He cares more about 'demolishing' his opponent in debates, than elucidation towards truth
I won't lie i have a small soft spot for Shapiro, that being said i completely disagree with his political views, but at least he's to some degree more outspoken about them. But yeah he has made a career of using his rhetoric talents to really slam people, mostly people who aren't exactly on a very high level in this regard. He's usually pitted against overly emotional people who have a very simplistic view of their subject.
I actually think its good for these people to be out there and active, i hope it will force the left to reassess itself, because (at least here) there's a bit of a crisis. Especially the modern left.
Yeah, he got hooked on Xanax or Ativan, the worst kinds of benzodiazepines to get hooked on since long-term use, esp. at high doses which he seem to have been addicted to, cause the brain to lose most of the GABA-A receptors due to these "overclocked" fast acting benzodiazepines which means that his brain chemistry is beyond fucked. The only way to avoid very severe withdrawals is to continue taking that shit.
I've read that it take as many years to get those receptors back as the amount of years you've been on those strong benzodiazepines (even low doses of the benzodiazepines I mentioned are seriously detrimental). The only way to safely get off them is slow tapering for a looong time. Otherwise you'll end up in hell on Earth with the symptoms mentioned in the article since the brain chemistry lacks the regulatory function due to a lack of GABA-A receptors.
That Russian detox is ridiculously risky and could cause permanent physical damage as well as most likely permanent psychiatric damages.
This woman did the research, wrote the book and ran the program on how to properly and successfully help patients taper off a benzodiazepine addiction/abuse.
A 3+ minute clip where she's explaining that Rapid Detox is "utterly inappropriate" (read: "stupid, insane and dangerous").
I read up on everything benzodiazepines a decade and a half ago when I was prescribed the weakest benzodiazepine available, Oxazepam. I've since moved to low dose Diazepam, the second weakest (more potent and the effect wears off slowly over 12+ hours so I don't feel any kind of discomfort when it leaves my system. After reading so much about it (I read up on every single medication I've ever been given whether it was cough medicine, painkillers, antibiotics. I want to know the possible side effects and if they're addictive, and if they're addictive, how difficult it is to get off it. I'm a careful guy when it comes to medication since I've seen so many acquaintances become addicts (and more than a few didn't survive) and go through hell for years.
It seems Jordan fell down that rabbit hole. For someone who is a clinical psychologist and professor in psychology it's extremely ironic that he fell into the deepest pits of benzo-hell. And the symptoms being described fits with extreme benzodiazepine withdrawal. Stupid stupid man (or whoever pushed him into it) for taking the short route via rapid detox. I can understand wanting to get rid of the Xanax/Ativan crap as fast as possible which at that point just gives you more anxiety but taking short cuts with that level addiction and subsequent withdrawal effect doesn't work.
He trusted the wrong people, put faith in wrong people and got assblasted for it. Fell into depression. Got addicted. Shame. He's not credible anymore. The tactics worked.
Sounds like a pretty insane mode of treatment he opted for in Russia. Part of which included being put into a medically induced coma. Can't take drugs if you're asleep!
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