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 Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 16:53 Post subject: laptop is slow as hell what to do? |
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Specs:
i5 7200u
12gb ram
gf 940
win 10
so my issue is that my laptop needs 5 mins to boot up and after its booted i cant use anything for a while since the hdd in task manager spikes to 100 per cent
already disabled superfetch (its called different now) and all the other things that wkuld lighten the load of the hdd which helped a little. i did format more than once updated to the latest version but still no good.
the laptop shouldnt have any issues with win 10 since it came with it besides the fact that there are no win 7 drivers.
i suspect that the hdd has faulty sectors but whenever i scan it through windows it says that its clean.
thinking about replacing the hdd with an ssd but dont wanna waste any money.
any advice?
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 17:16 Post subject: |
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The only good option here is to buy an SSD. Honestly, they're not that expensive anymore.
Oherwise, difficult to say without looking at the task manager.
And always keep 10% Disk space free.
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 17:29 Post subject: |
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Like already said, get an SSD. Buy from Amazon so you can refund it but I would be fairly certain that is the issue
I went through a very brief period of using a HDD for my OS drive and damn it takes so long to boot into Windows.
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Nalo
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 18:55 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 18:57 Post subject: |
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guess there is no way around it then
| Nalo wrote: | Switch to Linux
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installed ubuntu same issues
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 19:02 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | The only good option here is to buy an SSD. Honestly, they're not that expensive anymore.
Oherwise, difficult to say without looking at the task manager.
And always keep 10% Disk space free. |
+1 for SSD
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 19:14 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | Switch to Linux
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From my experience, Windows boots and operates faster than Ubuntu on the same hardware. Windows has become quite fast in the recent decade. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 19:14 Post subject: |
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But yes, a computer without SSD in 2020... 
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 19:15 Post subject: |
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And SuperFetch actually improves application launch performance on spinning HDDs.  
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 19:50 Post subject: |
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Get a Samsung EVO 860 drive. 500GB minimum, 1TB maximum. Just depends of ya needs... And a screwdriver to change it..
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 20:15 Post subject: |
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ur windows is updating and doing all kinds of crap, let it sit and do nothing for an afternoon
ive seen it 100% on my families laptops to , nothing indicates a update service, but its windows doing its shit, let it be and wait till it completes, also make sure it doesnt power down, so use a max power preset that doesnt turn everything off every 5 mins
took 2 hours on family laptop
turning it off just resets its progress and it will start all over again
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Nalo
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 22:13 Post subject: |
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I don't like KDE these days. And Xfce is like working with something from 90s, so fuck that. Anyway, Linux is still as retarded as ever. Not two minutes have gone by from install and you need to start meddling with config files and terminals. Fuck this shit. 
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 23:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 23:46 Post subject: |
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its doing stuff , it wont tell u what its doing, but its doing stuff, just let it sit and keep it on for a few hours , hd will eventually stop being 100%
also turn off defender
make a picture with ur phone of ur processes sorted by cpu usage every ten minutes or so, and show us a compilation after those hours for fun
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 23:59 Post subject: |
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| lametta wrote: | i googled and disabling it was almost recommended everywhere. dont blame me  |
The whole point of that was that it uses available memory to prefetch your apps into memory, so that when you try to run them, they are available to launch quickly. Anyone recommending something else is an idiot, most likely a Vista denier. |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 00:52 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | I don't like KDE these days. And Xfce is like working with something from 90s, so fuck that. Anyway, Linux is still as retarded as ever. Not two minutes have gone by from install and you need to start meddling with config files and terminals. Fuck this shit. |
Yep it expects competancy from its users, don't use the common desktop distro's either they try be like windows and are hot garbage imo.
I'd recommend Archlinux, learn how the underlying systems works, systemd, xorg and other critical applications. Imagine going in blind with Windows 10 with it's literal 6 different configuration screens for any setting on the computer.. try troubleshoot a microphone not working in Windows 10, count how many different UI's you encounter and how many different config screens. then dig out regedit, group policy etc. and to make that they had pretty much monopoly dollars, unlimited staff, unlimited money etc. just terrible.
edit: Oh also, If you still can't figure it out and there's some obscure bullshit log in eventviewer then I guess we go buy a new microphone. You wont even get a definitive log, reason or answer why it doesn't work save someone posting it online elsewhere.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 11:49 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 13:57 Post subject: |
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I don’t give a fuck about theming. That’s not what I mean.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 14:46 Post subject: |
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Don't want to repeat the same, but get an SSD. Almost all laptop HDDs are slow as fuck.
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 14:56 Post subject: |
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| skx7 wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | I don’t give a fuck about theming. That’s not what I mean. |
then what do you mean? it has all the normal DE functionalities... the default xfce theme can be customized like it is no longer XFCE. i think you make statements without having a clue about xfce honestly |
You can theme Windows 98 as well. It’s still a desktop environment from the 90s. Xfce is designed to be a DE from the 90s. Don’t get emotional just because I dislike a piece of technology that you’ve built your identity around. |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 15:15 Post subject: |
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Unless you make a config change somewhere and your OS doesn't boot anymore, as with all Linux OS. It's just so easy to break. Wish they made it a bit more robust.
E: to clarify, giving the users options that ensure your OS doesn't start anymore are not good options, but these sadly exist in quite a lot. Don't get me wrong, if it works, it works really well, but if it doesn't, you're out of luck.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 15:24 Post subject: |
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| Areius wrote: | Unless you make a config change somewhere and your OS doesn't boot anymore, as with all Linux OS. It's just so easy to break. Wish they made it a bit more robust.
E: to clarify, giving the users options that ensure your OS doesn't start anymore are not good options, but these sadly exist in quite a lot. Don't get me wrong, if it works, it works really well, but if it doesn't, you're out of luck. |
not sure, it was probably years ago I ever broke my DE, even if I would break my DE, i can still log on to my system... not sure what you are refering too. if you know how linux operates, you need to apply a lot of trump behaviour to break your machine. best proof, my 2 parents, computer illiterates, are running >6 years debian without any breakage... once you set up their machines, it keeps on rolling from release to release
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 16:15 Post subject: |
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I've destroyed dozen of Linux installations with little changes. Sometimes a wrong space in a configuration file is enough to prevent it from booting. If you're lucky you can fix it but I've not had that luck often. I don't have many Linux machines around but my overall experiences aren't great. Usually software installations (removals are a different story) are fine, but if you'd need a change somewhere, and you often do, it's always a risky business. I think a lot suffers from too many options and options that break things. They tallk about Windows DLL hell but the Linux dependency hell is much, much worse. Need something? Sure, let me pull in 200 packages. Oh, and one of those goes and change something in my HTTP server.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 16:35 Post subject: |
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| skx7 wrote: | Its not, and stop making personal statements without any facts. you call it a DE from the 90s without stating any reasoning why besides personal ranting. I tell you something, xfce has more functionalities in 2020 compared to W10 and instead of dismantling a malware rigged W10 each update cycle, with xfce you build it and once its built, you never have to look back as it is solid as concrete.
good luck delaying your W10 updates for 180 days, downloading the ISO, repatch it, and upgrade in-place. if this is how DE is supposed to work in 2020, you can put it with lots of joy in your arse and i will happily stay in the 90s
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Now who's spewing nonsense about things they have no idea about? Go back to your 90s OS. Have fun with it.
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 16:43 Post subject: |
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| Areius wrote: | | I've destroyed dozen of Linux installations with little changes. Sometimes a wrong space in a configuration file is enough to prevent it from booting. If you're lucky you can fix it but I've not had that luck often. I don't have many Linux machines around but my overall experiences aren't great. Usually software installations (removals are a different story) are fine, but if you'd need a change somewhere, and you often do, it's always a risky business. I think a lot suffers from too many options and options that break things. They tallk about Windows DLL hell but the Linux dependency hell is much, much worse. Need something? Sure, let me pull in 200 packages. Oh, and one of those goes and change something in my HTTP server. |
I can only recognize your experience when using a rolling release (like sid for Debian) but such rolling releases are not meant for the average user. If you want bleeding edge in linux, you need to be willing to follow up daily on the changes happening in the bleeding edge repos. If you opt for a stable distro, like debian it is just doing apt update && apt upgrade and you will never run in a package dependency hell. if you want solid stable experience, you need to use stable distro, if you want bleeding edge you go the rolling distro way like debian sid or arch but you need to be willing to be daily following whats happening in the bleeding edge repos.
it does require some reading to correctly use a linux distro of choice, not sure if this is a bad thing in the end. one of the rookie linux user mistakes is mixing repos etc... and then the machine breaks, but this is not failure of your linux distro, this is pure human failure of people not having willingness to read up on the distro specific info. compare it with a driving a car at 18 and moving to a moto six years later... you have to do some learning to master 250hp under your arse
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Also, get rid of most of the background stuff running. You'll find it all listed under the 'utter shit running' category.
it is 10 times more advanced into theming compared to your derp W10 OS
