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LeoNatan
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How we don’t have one of these yet?
So anyone interested in RDNA2? Yeah, neither am I, to be honest  but we were discussing buyers remorse in another thread, and I was thinking that if AMD has some hidden winner, like with Ryzen, this would be the best buyers remorse there can be. The likelihood of this happening is not very big, but still. 
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The only thing that ineresting is that both M$ and $ony are using modified RDNA 2 for their graphics card on their new machine.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2020 16:40 Post subject: |
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Yeah, but this was true about Navi, and that wasn’t interesting at all.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2020 17:24 Post subject: |
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amd has so much potential to break open the pricewar and restore some sence back to second hand market
its going to be very exciting next 6 months
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2020 17:39 Post subject: |
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The only excitement I foresee is in the mid to low range market, and that’s just because of price wars. I don’t see them bouncing back to rival the high or top end.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2020 17:52 Post subject: |
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AMD?
Videogcards?
is this some kickstarter project they are doing or something? never heard of
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2020 18:16 Post subject: |
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It's probably a resource allocation thing. They clearly have talented engineers in the last few years, but they see a lot more money from the CPU side. The Epic enterprise business is on the rise, while the AMD workstation graphics aren't really impressive, and thus aren't much used in enterprise/content creation. So they focus on where the money is.
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It's kinda weird AMD has complete domination on consoles for this and next generations but still can hardly make a high end CPU's or GPU's to match Intel. Maybe they just don't care that much exactly because they have the console's market.
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Since they own the entire console market, there isn't much incentive to compete there. Last generation, the Xbox and PS4 had very similar GPUs, with some of the differences stemming from the venders' own design requirements, as was the case with the X/Pro. This generation, things are even more at equal footing. I do wonder what the result would be if nVidia had a foot in the console market, but they just aren't in a position to offer what AMD can: an end-to-end SoC design. nVidia can offer the GPU chipset, but that would be a much more complex design for the vendors, so it won't happen unless absolutely necessary.
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They tried making their own console instead - the Nvidia Shield. But they realized it will never compete with Sony or Microsoft so they changed it to a TV Streamer with games being just a small feature. It has GeForce Now for game streaming too but that's not the point of a console.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Sep 2020 20:18 Post subject: |
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“Console” It’s shittier hardware than a phone. As is Switch. That’s not in the same category even.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 10:12 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | The only excitement I foresee is in the mid to low range market, and that’s just because of price wars. I don’t see them bouncing back to rival the high or top end. |
All the leakers seem to agree that the top RDNA2 card will be close to the 3080 in rasterization performance at a slightly lower price. IMO AMD's biggest problem right now is DLSS2, which is getting more and more support (most importantly, in Cyberpunk 2077). Unless they have a similar technology ready for Big Navi's launch, there is no way I'll be able to justify getting it instead of an Ampere card.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 10:39 Post subject: |
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I expect they will have their own implementation that may or may not be as good as NVIDIA's. Given AMD GPU's now fuel the entire console market for the next 5+ years I wouldn't say they will have much problem getting developer support.
I would be interested in a cheaper 3080 with more VRAM, why not?
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Last edited by Interinactive on Mon, 4th Oct 2021 08:52; edited 3 times in total
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 10:53 Post subject: |
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I would be interested in a cheaper 3080 with more VRAM, why not? |
Well, again, if they do have a response to DLSS2, then you're right, and I'm probably gonna go for the AMD option. But it's very important for said response to be ready at launch and be supported in Cyberpunk 2077, and I doubt that's gonna happen. IMO for a lot of people (me included), their GPU purchase this fall might as well be called "the Cyberpunk card". I'm not gonna pass on like 40% of free performance with AA baked in.
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Witcher 3 sold 3x more copies on console than PC, GTA5 only sold 5% on PC!, games are developed for those systems first and foremost because it has majority share of customers by a large margin.
Basically the vast majority of gamers choose AMD GPU's, doesn't make sense to just write them off.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 15:07 Post subject: |
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You got a source on those numbers other than your behind?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 16:57 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | Basically the vast majority of gamers choose AMD GPU's, doesn't make sense to just write them off. |
In what version of the universe does that happen?
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey |
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| freiwald wrote: | | blackeyedboy wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: | | Basically the vast majority of gamers choose AMD GPU's, doesn't make sense to just write them off. |
In what version of the universe does that happen?
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey |
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wasn't he talking about how consoles all have AMD gpus so the majority of gamers (pc+consoles) are on amd gpus? (while majority of PC gamers are on nvidia gpus)
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ah qqq beat me to it.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 17:37 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | | AmpegV4 wrote: | | Basically the vast majority of gamers choose AMD GPU's, doesn't make sense to just write them off. |
In what version of the universe does that happen?
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey |
The same universe where Witcher 3 sold three times more on console and GTA5 only 5% on PC: his ass. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Sep 2020 17:51 Post subject: |
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| qqq wrote: | | When he says the vast majority of people chose AMD i think he means that they buy consoles and by extension they chose AMD , he's not refering to steamstats |
By that way of speaking, PC got 99% sales because consoles have AMD CPUs.  |
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LeoNatan
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| Sauronich wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | The only excitement I foresee is in the mid to low range market, and that’s just because of price wars. I don’t see them bouncing back to rival the high or top end. |
All the leakers seem to agree that the top RDNA2 card will be close to the 3080 in rasterization performance at a slightly lower price. IMO AMD's biggest problem right now is DLSS2, which is getting more and more support (most importantly, in Cyberpunk 2077). Unless they have a similar technology ready for Big Navi's launch, there is no way I'll be able to justify getting it instead of an Ampere card. |
AMD has the FiderpilityFX CAS which is truly truly amazing.  |
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