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 Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 14:00 Post subject: I guess I need a NAS |
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Google is going to end their free data storage of "high quality" pictures as of july next year. I don't want to pay them 20€/year for some silly 100gb of storage space as I'll most likely need more and then it costs like 100€/year for 2TB.
What I want:
Sync files (even on the go) onto my storage. I want the storage to be safe against failures (if it's something that I can add later on it's fine too and I guess I'll need two identical HDDs for that?). I want uploaded videos to be automatically compressed, as phones do a terrible job at that. And it'd be great if I could watch movies off the NAS (it doesn't need any UI for that, the TV is capable of accessing shared drives etc when in the same network). The damn thing shouldn't have the actual size of a desktop machine, nor should it be audible.
Sans drives the additional costs should not be above 200€.
What I have in spare parts that could be of possible use:
Xeon 1231-v3 Processor which shouldn't have a lot of issues encoding the vids.
16GB DDR 1666 RAM
mATX LGA 1150 Mainboard
450W Power Supply
a 2TB harddrive (7200RPM Samsung)
a free LAN port and space directly next to my router to which my computer and TV are directly connected.
Does it even make sense to try and build a "small" computer that fit's an mATX board and adequate cooling for the Xeon? Finding a small motherboard for tha LGA1150 seems to be impossible at reasonable prices...
Or should I just go with some ready NAS like the synology 220j?
Or a "mini" computer with no interal drive and only external nas drives?
Ugh, I just calculated the electricity cost of an idle desktop pc running 24/7 (I expect around 100W idle usage?) to be at around 250€/year, so fuck that 
So which NAS should I go for? If push comes to shove, I'm also fine with storing the videos raw and then running some weekly batch job on the PC to compress them and delete the source if necessary 
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 14:32 Post subject: |
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I have DS216j with only one internal drive atm. (could add another) plus an external drive for backups of the essentials.
I feel the interface is a bit slow, but it's already a few years old so there should be newer models about. So just get whatever Synology model is in your budget.
And then I also have a free noip account to have an external address to be able to access my own cloud and my movies from outside.
The solution is fairly easy to set up, and you get all the tutorials online to get you started, if you need that.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 15:37 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 16:11 Post subject: |
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The synology 220j is exactly what I have, and it work for what I need it for.
The interface is OK. it works. Nothing bad about it at all, but nothing to wow you. Its a functional GUI that works fine.
Installing addons is really easy. Click a few button on the web GUI.
I use it 99% for storage for us in the house and movies. The hundreds of photos my daughters phone fills up with, work shit and 'old' games I dont want to delete installs/ISO for but dont think I will play but once in a blue moon. Whatever random movie wife wants to see I can find a good version of..etc.
Streaming off it is pretty painless. TV sees it on the network and plays from it without any issues. Even wife can do it without having to come get me to figure out how to start the movie: Click on media players on the TV, pick the nas, and play the movie you want.
I can't speak for the on the go outside the house part. I know it has it, I just never need it. And its pretty dead quiet only noise I hear out of it is the HD spinning up from sleep, it itself makes no noise at all.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 17:13 Post subject: |
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I don't need the bloat of kodi, the tv sees the files and that's that  The 220j (empty) is available for 150€. Is it worth that?
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 21:24 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 22:02 Post subject: |
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If you want a pro setup, build a system around UnRaid. Use syncthing to push pull content between all your devices (i disable the online functionality so it only works on the local network) as you come and go from the home.
Unraid allows mixed capacity disks, its easy to add and remove things, performance is better than crap raid 5 if your hosting media. Run containers easily through the UI for all your downloading and media management.
The only con is expense as you need to build a system for it, If you go mitx + silverstone NAS case it should be enough to get started and build out to 40-60tb.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 22:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 23:18 Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, but after doing some research, I went with the QNAP TS-251D. The 512MB RAM of the 220j seem to be really limiting. The TS-251D comes with a 64-Bit dual core Celeron, 2GB DDR4 but can be extended to up to 8GB with simple SO-DIMMs. Software etc seems to be available for Android and iOS and it's at 15W, which is great! Now off to buy some drives. WD Red Plus or Seagate Ironwolf?
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 23:56 Post subject: |
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I have IronWolf's in mine.
But again, mine is just household "deep storage" and media streamer to one TV. I have had them about...3-4 years now? And not one issue with them.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Dec 2020 23:57 Post subject: |
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Oops, sorry I doubt the Pi4 can compare to a Celeron at 2-2.7GHz?
And looking at WD vs Seagate, I guess it's just luck? Both parties seem to have great and terrible experiences alike. The WD are supposed to be a bit slower (150MB/s is still quicker than the 1GBit Ethernet adapter supports so.. who cares ) but also quieter, which I would prefer as two of them will be running at the same time in the living room.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Dec 2020 19:43 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Dec 2020 08:16 Post subject: |
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little late to the party, but if you decide to get WD Red hdds, DO NOT BUY THE ONES WITH SMR!!! Make sure they are cmr. The smr ones are seriously slow at writing data, so slow in fact that if you mix them with cmr drives in a raid, they can (and will) crash the raid. arstechnica had an article about that couple months ago. I recommend the Seagate Ironwolf line of drives
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Dec 2020 11:17 Post subject: |
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The WD RED Plus are CMR, so I'm safe on that front. So does anyone know how I can mirror my google photos stuff onto the nas? Do I have to locally install google sync app on my pc and then first sync all pics to my local machine and then move them to the nas? I'd rather have them directly onto the nas 
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| Posted: Wed, 30th Dec 2020 15:39 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Jan 2021 09:38 Post subject: |
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Wouldn't call 220€ overpriced for a proper hardware enclosure with dual core x86/64 processor with up to 2.9GHz, expandable memory, direct copy usb interface, hot swappable drive bays, noise insulation, warranty, a full software suite for mobile and desktop really overpriced.
| Quote: | | No need for overpriced NAS boxes these days. |
Great that your setup is enough for your requirements.
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Nice, it's a good one! |
cheers, big uograde from my 411j lol
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th May 2022 14:33 Post subject: |
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It does fine for a NAS box. Now dont expect any business class hardware NAS level performance out of it though.
