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 Posted: Tue, 23rd Feb 2021 01:19 Post subject: Finally getting a Corona vaccine |
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And it's the goddamned Astra Zeneca. Just ran out of Pfizer just before it was my turn where i work. I think i'll just decline and say "the world has been in a craze ever since Covid was spreading and when i finally get the vaccine, i'm gonna have the good ones and not some half arsed cheap vaccine". I want a vaccine, but not this shit.
It is voluntary even as health workers in Norway. Either way, i'm not refusing to get vaccinated though, just not with a crappy vaccine.
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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Feb 2021 02:12 Post subject: |
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Was it because of work or because you are in a "risk group(sp?)" you took the vaccine?
Then again, ill take it too at some point, but didnt think anyone younger than 75 had taken it if they wasnt in risk group :/
My grandmother got a sms 2 weeks ago, but she is 81...
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Feb 2021 02:24 Post subject: |
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No, it's not my turn until thursday. I did say i wanted to be vaccinated, but i've never accepted being vaccinated by vaccines with very questionable results. But yes, it's because of my work.
And it should be about time for the old people outside elderly homes to be vaccinated. She'll get the Pfizer though as astra zeneca has been rejected for use on the elderly. Should have been rejected for everyone until they produced some better results.. But you know, it's cheap and Norway is very... cheap
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Feb 2021 02:41 Post subject: |
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Farewell and adieu to you, fair Spanish ladies. Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain. For we’ve received orders for to sail back to Boston. And so nevermore shall we see you again.
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JackQ
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Did you know that before Covid never did anyone in the rational part of the population question vaccines? The yearly flu shot is like 50% effective. Nobody ever wanted to know the effectivity of the many vaccines our kids get shit when they are like 3 month old. But now that this shit is heavily mediatised suddenly people care about these things and fear them etc. Why? Getting AS will reduce the severity of the infection in every case. Even flu shots create some effects after taking them, well no shit, your body creates antibodies which is stressfull obviously. But not comparable to what can happen if you get the real virus.
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Ankh
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Mar 2021 07:46 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | Did you know that before Covid never did anyone in the rational part of the population question vaccines? The yearly flu shot is like 50% effective. Nobody ever wanted to know the effectivity of the many vaccines our kids get shit when they are like 3 month old. But now that this shit is heavily mediatised suddenly people care about these things and fear them etc. Why? Getting AS will reduce the severity of the infection in every case. Even flu shots create some effects after taking them, well no shit, your body creates antibodies which is stressfull obviously. But not comparable to what can happen if you get the real virus. |
These anti-vaxxers are really anoying tbh.
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JackQ
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Some people will always have a reason to whine and complain, I realized that there are lots of smartasses that are writing opions against the vaccines for sake of having opinions, I can somewhat understand(not justify) some of the religoues sects that at the very least created for themselves a different reality that "know" that the vaccines are bad.
But for the more (supposedly) rational populations they don't really have anything to hold on to besides conspiracy theories.
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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Ankh
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Mar 2021 16:04 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | Some people will always have a reason to whine and complain, I realized that there are lots of smartasses that are writing opions against the vaccines for sake of having opinions, I can somewhat understand(not justify) some of the religoues sects that at the very least created for themselves a different reality that "know" that the vaccines are bad.
But for the more (supposedly) rational populations they don't really have anything to hold on to besides conspiracy theories. |
Speaking of it - why dont we see as many people claiming that the recent mars landing is fak as the ones who refuse to belive in the moon landing?
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Danyutz
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I'm more concerned about the time you need to wait for 2nd shot for Astra Zeneca, 2 months??
Our godfathers got vaccinated with this ( he because of work, she has a cronical disease ), he didn't have any symptoms, she had an overall bad feeling and her arm hurt - but that's about it.
Mom and dad didn't get the Pfizer shot and now they prefer to wait a bit until Astra runs out.
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| Posted: Mon, 1st Mar 2021 21:13 Post subject: |
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There is a massive reduction in the risk of hospitalisation if you have had a vaccine and then catch the virus. You would be silly to wait for a different one, it could potentially be the choice of life or death
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Frant
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I'm still waiting for April/May when I'm supposed to get access to it. I do hope we'll get larger batches but as of now we're still focusing on Phase 1 (elderly, health staff that work with the elderly, corrupt municipality bosses (yes, plenty of that going around with people getting fired for abusing their positions etc.) and special cases. Phase 2 is when all 65+ people will get it. Phase 3 (which I'm part of) is when the 18-65 in risk groups etc. will get it and finally Phase 4 is when the general population (18+) will get it.
The timetable isn't set in stone since it's entirely dependent on the deliveries of vaccines to Europe/EU which is severely delayed.
As far as Astra Zeneca's vaccine; the uncertainties and in comparison low efficacy and being weak against the mutated strains compared to Pfizer's and Moderna's vaccines, I really don't want that cheap crap. I want to feel fairly safe after getting my shots, something I won't be able to if I get the Astra Zeneca stuff.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2021 01:26 Post subject: |
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Big celebration today, for me and wife  Tossed these appointments in the trash where they belong. Good luck to whoever takes our place  Like I have said, had it been anywhere else, then we both would have just had them, but no point here, not when one is living in a perpetual prison, where I am at no risk to anyone, and neither is anyone to me, and looking outside, tells me, that no one gives a shit one way or another anyway. Wife has to work, but being in Police, she gets tested in and out, I, never have to leave my home, all shopping is done online now, so that makes it a lot easier to stay locked up indefinitely, if necessary, fuckin used to it now anyway
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| scaramonga wrote: | | and looking outside, tells me, that no one gives a shit one way or another anyway. |
That's the spirit! : No one else cares, why should I!
The dream for mankind, to live up to the bare lowest expectations of the worst of those we observe around us.
And if your wifes a cop..she SHOULD damn well have it. Test all you want, there will be a week or so she wont even know she has it. Just what society needs those that's job it is to protect us, not protecting us from themselves.
And do you interact with your wife? Whos job it is to interact with strangers all day...? I see a hole in your "I dont go out" defense of how you cannot get it.
That's like saying you cant get aids, because you dont sleep with anyone but your partner, that happens to be a hooker who gets tested for STDs weekly... (Not implying on your wife..or making a jab. Just the logic is the same).
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2021 03:13 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: |
That's the spirit! : No one else cares, why should I!
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Your damn right I don't! Wife came home yesterday and was all up to ninety with what she saw driving home. Parks full of people (not a face mask between them), all fucking about like it was just another day in paradise. No one bothering, no cunt enforcing what should be enforced, not a fuckin jot. No one cares!, simple, and neither am I any longer!  I couldn't care less what you think, nor what anyone thinks for that matter, as, at least, I'm not running amok outside, and breaking every rule in the fuckin book. Say what you will, I'll lose no sleep over it, believe me, hell no Sir!
You expect me to abide by what we have been instructed to do for months on end, then go take a vaccine to help save all these bastards?, or your ass? lol, no. The rules apply to 'ALL', and not just the 'mugs' who adhere to them, but those who choose to ignore them also.
Until they get that right, then fuck the lot of ya. That's the spirit!
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4 months since I've stepped outside my house (unless you call putting your head out of the window going outside?), and I'd like to see even one of these bastards stay in half a week without cracking?, lol, impossible!
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| scaramonga wrote: |
You expect me to abide by what we have been instructed to do for months on end, then go take a vaccine to help save all these bastards? |
Yes..be better than the worst around you.
Do what you should because you should. Not because you deem others did not deserve you to grace them with being responsible yourself. To make life choices for yourself, based on if others 'earned' it is vainly pompous.
And a wife as a police officer that refuses to get a vaccine I feel is close to one of the worst flagrant disregard for the public safety you vowed to, and get paid to do. If she refuses to get a vaccine (her choice) BUT refuses to stop patrolling because of her decision..well add one more to the "people doing dumb shit everyday otuside" list you have.
Your logic is "Look at all those idiots, they set such a low bar that as long as I can scrap above it, I'm better than them. I am being responsible". No you are just being slightly less wantonly irresponsible.
You dont judge how good you are doing at something, by measuring yourself against the worst at it.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2021 03:47 Post subject: |
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So there is a stopping line of bettering yourself? An age limit where you pull out chalk and drawn you own finish line before the end, to do a private victory dance?
I'll be 48 this year and I got a LONG way to a finish line. I dont care if I'm 90. If I can find a way to be better at 91 then my life still has a purpose of growth and wisdom learned past 90.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2021 03:49 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: |
And a wife as a police officer that refuses to get a vaccine I feel is close to one of the worst flagrant disregard for the public safety you vowed to, and get paid to do. If she refuses to get a vaccine (her choice) |
Were not at the point (YET), and it will come, where WE MUST take this nonsense. Oh, I have no doubt they will make every cunt take it one way or another, whether that means no travel, cutting benefits, paying more tax etc, they WILL force it on all eventually, you can be sure of that one, or, as you mentioned, ones status in the community
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Do you ever stop to think that ..my old played out trope: No snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche?
That your mindset of "Fuck it, no one else cares" is what THEY also think, that leads more to think it, since they see more not caring.
You are fussing about those outside not caring to get a vaccine, while bragging about how you are not caring to get the vaccine..because they dont seem to care if they get the vaccine. "If we all dont care together as a group, no ones to blame".
Feels like a ouroboros to me, snake eating its own tail. Just because you feel like the brains head of it, eating your tail does no good.
It has nothing to do with 'status' in the community. I cant give two shits about what my community thinks of me. I do the right right because its right, not because I get brownie praise points from others.
its about doing what is right by your own morals, not based on how bad others morals are.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2021 04:40 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: |
its about doing what is right by your own morals, not based on how bad others morals are. |
Oh, I've also done that (cost me 11 years of my life) , but I think you picked me up wrong. I have no care of what 'others' think now, I used to, but not any longer, and I also don't care about others morals.
We each have our own, and most will not agree with them, still, it's what makes us unique as individuals, likewise with opinions, as it would be an even drabber world if we all had the same wouldn't it?
I'll say it again, if I wasn't living here in UK, then I'd probably have a different outlook?, but one is beaten down here, beaten down so much, that even a 58 year old can say he's had enough of the utter bullshit spouted day in day out with a Country run by fuckwits. I'm not saying 'the people are doing wrong, so I'll do the same, or give up', I'm saying that, in these unprecedented times, one gets tired of many 'taking the piss', more so, when one is trying their best to come out of the situation, but others do not give a fuck, thus we will remain in the same situation forever, and 'forever' is a lot shorter time for me, than the fuckwits who are carrying on this way, so who is being 'selfish' here? Vaccine scara? NOPE!
Something has to break for something to change, that I have learned in life.
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While I'm at it, lol, in answer to J fuckwit Q, NO!, I ain't an 'ant-vaxxer', hell, I had more vaccines in me before you could even speak, which is about the same as where you are today
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The US isnt any better, its worse in many ways over the dumb shit.
But I do not help by resolving myself to if 1/2 the country don't care, why should I? Worrying about what gain I, or they get, if I do the right thing. Or what I stand to lose by it.
To me your moral compass isn't gauged when the right thing is easy to do, its gauged when it's the hard thing to do, even if it seems like a pointless thing to do, doing it regardless because it's 'proper' that is the gauge of the strength of your compass.
The mindset of I am not going to give up doing what I know is clearly the right thing because they all are being idiots. If I was the only one to do it, I might not make a difference but I know I did what was right regardless.
Doing right doesn't need a payout (to me or others) for me to do the right thing.
Maybe its an emotional (or lack of), a logical thing for me vs you?
To me its "is vaccine the right thing (well most right we have anymore)...yes. Then do that thing".
Doesn't matter if everyone else is or isn't, or if it makes a difference in the big picture if I do, or if its 'pointless' to do it, or even if it changes anything. its the right thing. So do that thing. I did my part. Did it help? Who knows, but it was my part to do.
My decision to do so is independent of everyone else's decision on it in my country. I've lost too much of my life to stupid decisions as a young teen early 20's, to continue to make stupid decisions now to claim I'm retaking my life back is just as...stupid. Doing the 'wrong' thing is doing the wrong thing regardless of if you think doing it hinders or helps you personally.
Saying I refuse the vaccine because what's the point I'm suffering enough already due to other idiots, only furthers the numbers by +1 of why we continue to lockdown because I am +1 to that 'percentage of people not vaccinated yet, so restrictions to contain it continue'.
As far as who is being selfish. Its not an either/or it can be a "both/and". You both can be being selfish for different reasons, and in different ways. One being selfish does not exclude the chance for the other to also be.
For: Something has to break for something to change, that I have learned in life.
Granted it might; but let it break on their decisions, not yours. Don't contribute to why it needed breaking before anyone looked to fix it.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Don’t feed the troll.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2021 07:12 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | Don’t feed the troll. |
+1
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So 1990's, Yawn...., and a 'so called Mod' instigating shit (as per usual), when really they should know better not to do so, and just 'Moderate' Of course, had it been some other 'knob end', apart from myself, then they would be told to not 'troll' the thread with 'sarky comments', such as they have, with comments that don't add anything to the conversation, but sigh, it just reinforces what I've been saying all along And the cunt following him?, well, I think he just has a keyboard of ++++++, nothing else, except the '1' key 
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@Frant I don't know how much you're vulnerable but AZ, while not protecting just as well as Biontech, will massively lower the impact of an infection. It basically means, yes, you can still get it but it won't be worse than a regular common cold.
I'd take AZ in a heartbeat.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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I get the first AZ shot this Sunday. I wanted Pfizer, but given the current state of affairs, it won't happen soon enough. Si I decided to go with AZ instead. Even if it has a lower efficiency, it's still better than nothing for someone with high risk like me.
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Lucky you, in here Finland we dont get shit, not sure what is taking so long with the vaccine delivery, EU has fucked it totally, atleast in here Finland.
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So far, only handful of people that had allergic for some of the vaccines ingredients actually develop severe response and few died from that, 99.99% cases are safe. If you want to go for the virus you are more than wellcome, but don't whine that you have issues breathing or being high risk for actually dying from it.
