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CookieCrumb




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 01:11    Post subject: Sell me on your usenet provider
As the title states.
Even before they killed off the only payment option that was available for me (personally) I started running into un-available stuff more and more lately so I need a new provider.
Sell me on the one you're currently using.
There's pretty much only one limitation. Payment cannot be done through a credit card (yep, I'm one of the few crazies who still don't have one)
Paypal, paysafe, whatever. But honestly, preferrably paypal - but not through a CC mind you Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 01:19    Post subject:
Is there anyone that accepts paysafe?

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nouseforaname
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 02:56    Post subject:
my advice is to get a credit card and then have this same discussion.

(same advice goes for actually being an adult with access to credit Wink)

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UreKismet




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 03:08    Post subject:
yeah I've noticed that the euro servers seem to have the tv shows just that little bit longer sometimes even possible to fill gaps easynews leave (yeah larf I been with em long time hope I'll actually get to d/l the TB of data I have in credit)

EN still has a web based search utility that uses regex. Its kinda hard to find and in vanilla format is only a bit better than the woeful new improved dmca'd to the fuck global search function maybe if someone who really knew their shit had a go it would deliver.
Their servers hold a lot of old but good stuff - the issue is finding it.
Don't use credit cards either but after usual bitcoin hassles I tried over the counter debit cards a run & the ones here seem ok.
You just buy em at ashop, no ID necessary (I think the max is $500) and they work as good as any other visa card but visa doesn't get to harass you about new mortgages cause they don't know who u are.

I dunno if they have em where you are CookieCrumb but if they do they are worth considering.

The same as all credit cards Visa get to trouser @ 5% of the gross as a 'transaction fee' . They charge 6 bucks for the card that should be ample - it isn't.

No wonder banks rule the world you don't hafta grab 5% off the top of every retail deal (well 80% of em or so) for much time before you own the joint.
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 03:18    Post subject:
There is no usenet provider that I know of that has any retention and speed worth mentioning that also doesn't comply with DMCA. Just go with one of the big ones if you want usenet and just expect that releases will be DMCA'd.

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nouseforaname
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 04:48    Post subject:
UreKismet wrote:
No wonder banks rule the world you don't hafta grab 5% off the top of every retail deal (well 80% of em or so) for much time before you own the joint.
Mind Is Full Of Fuck


I pay my balance off before the end of the month and pay 0%, no idea why some of your are so allergic to having a credit card (besides being 18 and being an unreliable douchebag without a job).

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Immunity




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 06:14    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:

I pay my balance off before the end of the month and pay 0%


Bingo. You don't put a charge on your credit card unless you are able to take money out of your wallet/account right then and there to pay it off. If more people lived by this little tidbit of common sense debt would be far less prevalent. I can't speak for other countries, but us Americans are incredibly guilty of stupid use of credit. Charge now, worry about it later (after you've amassed thousands of dollars worth of debt) seems to be not only accepted, but encouraged in this country.

Always remember - interest is what lets a banker drive around in his luxury automobile while you're stuck in a Toyota or Fiat

Back on topic though, is it really a good idea to discuss "reliable" providers in a a public thread now that the board is Google indexed? Seems like a surefire way to kill a golden goose. Shocked

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chiv




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 07:23    Post subject:
FUCK.

ASTRAWEB.


fucking douchebags just terminated my account. what usenet provider should i try now?
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 12:29    Post subject:
or just get a precharge CC. Thats what i have. Its a mastercard and i have to transfer funds to i, before i can use it. Impossible to get in debt this way.
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ITRUK




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 12:30    Post subject:
I bought a package from BlockNews a while back after having problem's with Astraweb, and haven't had any problem's *cross finger's*.

5 GBs - $2.75!
10 GBs - $4.50!
25 GBs - $8.50!
50 GBs - $11.79!
100 GBs - $14.69!
200 GBs - $21.59!
500 GBs - $51.49!
1,024 GBs - $91.39!
3,072 GBs - $239.99
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fisk




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 13:55    Post subject:
"Haven't had any problems" means what exactly?

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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 14:09    Post subject:
I have a backup block account with BlockNews, but as far DMCA takedowns go, they aren't much better then Astra.
Your only choice are non DMCA compliant (they do have takedown systems of their own, but those are different from DMCAs), purely European based providers if you want some improvement. Such do exist for now. They might not get you completely in the clear, but will buy you some time at least.
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CookieCrumb




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 16:54    Post subject:
Sin317 wrote:
or just get a precharge CC. Thats what i have. Its a mastercard and i have to transfer funds to i, before i can use it. Impossible to get in debt this way.


I actually think that's gonna be what I'll do sooner or later (though I honestly don't see the point in paying yearly fees for a prepaid CC, could get myself a "real" credit card >.< )


@nouseforaname
wait wait what. Being unemployed makes me an "unreliable douchebag"? :/
That's... not the nicest way to look at things.

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sorry, I don't have access to the hyper private VIP only section for discussing stuff like this
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 17:27    Post subject:
UNS Usenetserver

i'm on $10 month unlimited download. Been good service for me.
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nouseforaname
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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 19:56    Post subject:
CookieCrumb wrote:
@nouseforaname
wait wait what. Being unemployed makes me an "unreliable douchebag"? :/
That's... not the nicest way to look at things.


Sad probably too many beers last night for me

and no, I don't think you personally are an unreliable douchebag. just almost everyone I know without one falls into that category (ie probably had one at some point in their lives but have since completely fucked up their credit and can't get another).

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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 20:10    Post subject:
Whats a usenet ?

Heard about it before,its like torrents ? You guys not torrenting your stuff ?
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UreKismet




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PostPosted: Sun, 30th Dec 2012 22:27    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
UreKismet wrote:
No wonder banks rule the world you don't hafta grab 5% off the top of every retail deal (well 80% of em or so) for much time before you own the joint.
Mind Is Full Of Fuck


I pay my balance off before the end of the month and pay 0%, no idea why some of your are so allergic to having a credit card (besides being 18 and being an unreliable douchebag without a job).


It's a different time of day here so since you've prolly not got the immediate right of reply I won't talk about douchbags who talk outta their ass about things they know nothing of. end it will a silly Wink and pretend they're not a little person who gets his/her rocks off denigrating others.


The interest rates on credit cards isn't the issue hell I made it plain I don't have a problem with the money part of it. The issue is that credit cards are a form of privatised cash which delivers no social good just a 5% surcharge on those economies dependant on them.
Every transaction made with a credit card costs you at least 5% of the gross price of the purchase. That is the average charge that visa & mastercard place on every transaction. they collect it from the merchant so you the dumbass consumer won't notice. You pay for this when you buy something because the merchant builds the 5% into their retail price.
I don't pay it because I pay cash and refuse to do business with a merchant who refuses to deduct at least 5% for cash. Most quickly agree and I pay them by overnight bank transfer which incurs a 50 cent to $1 bank charge - a lot less than 5%.

If it all possible stay right away from usury - not outta some sort of weird moral code but because right now cash is king borrowing is for mugs who want to hand their future over to the control of others.
Maybe you do pay off your card at the end of the month most of the time but statistically you are in a very small group of card users if you have your balance settled by the end of the xmas month. There is no free lunch with a credit card the peeps designing em know human nature and play on it like a maestro.
Why get used by assholes when paying cash makes you money?

5% may not seem like much but I just checked out my account from the store I buy gaming hardware from. In the last 12 months I spent just over $8200. 5% of that is a tad over $400 bucks. That is a decent vid card every year - for free.
Not a kings ransom but worth the few minutes effort it took to create the store as a regular payee in my online bank details and certainly no more tedious than entering alla those digits every time you wanna buy shit with a card.
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Silvayn




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2012 11:42    Post subject:
Crap... when I'm finally considering switching from torrents to usenet (mainly for automation with sickbeard and couchpotato + htpc setup), it appears it's going all downhill. Index sites, DMCAs, encrypted file names with closed communities....
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CookieCrumb




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2012 13:12    Post subject:
Silvayn wrote:
Crap... when I'm finally considering switching from torrents to usenet (mainly for automation with sickbeard and couchpotato + htpc setup), it appears it's going all downhill. Index sites, DMCAs, encrypted file names with closed communities....


I guess it's always the same.
As soon as something gets popular they crack down on it.
Here's to hoping a close knit / invite online communit for nzbs pops up one of these days (and that I get an invite for that xD)
Though then again there's still, after I don't know how many years, one torrent site I wanna get an invite for and I never even found someone admitting they're a member of it Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Dec 2012 17:29    Post subject:
i wonder if there are many private nzb communities? the obvious solution here is to create one and just post stuff under encoded names, e.g. dkf 2gir 2rgk2g kfgkrgkh = the big bang theory Smile then run your own newznab site or whatever on the back and get the uploaders to manage the content listing there

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nitetime




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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Jan 2013 19:58    Post subject:
Horrordee wrote:
i wonder if there are many private nzb communities? the obvious solution here is to create one and just post stuff under encoded names, e.g. dkf 2gir 2rgk2g kfgkrgkh = the big bang theory Smile then run your own newznab site or whatever on the back and get the uploaders to manage the content listing there


Is there a hidden meaning here? Like they already exist because this is pretty much what everything on usenet looks like nowadays.
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CookieCrumb




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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Jan 2013 01:19    Post subject:
nitetime wrote:
Horrordee wrote:
i wonder if there are many private nzb communities? the obvious solution here is to create one and just post stuff under encoded names, e.g. dkf 2gir 2rgk2g kfgkrgkh = the big bang theory Smile then run your own newznab site or whatever on the back and get the uploaders to manage the content listing there


Is there a hidden meaning here? Like they already exist because this is pretty much what everything on usenet looks like nowadays.


pssst. He's secretly fishing for invites xD
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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Jan 2013 01:25    Post subject:
Well, I'm all for starting one.

Are there people here who would contribute?

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MinderMast




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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Jan 2013 01:42    Post subject:
Newznab actually deals with the issue, from what I understand. Since it downloads a part of the file to check what's inside, you can actually see the filenames in the list if you check, and those are normally not changed.
It won't help much with searching probably, unless the search system will use that file/media info as well.
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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Jan 2013 02:19    Post subject:
Yeah, but newsnab requires a separate dedicated server, which isn't available to a lot of people.

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Saner




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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Jan 2013 08:04    Post subject:
I thought sausje was setting up a server for nforce.

ragnarus wrote:

I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ?Smile

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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Jan 2013 10:35    Post subject:
I doubt that he is setting it up for nforce, but he wanted to try something for the nfohump community

That'd be the correct place to discuss this I'd say: http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=72276&start=270

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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Jan 2013 10:58    Post subject:
He was talking about an indexer, not a Usenet server. That is next to impossible; first of all you'd need to build up retention again, not to mention that you need a hefty infrastructure to keep that up. You'd have to become a tier 1 provider (see below), colocate your servers somewhere and be prepared to invest into storage a LOT. Technically speaking it's not hard, but it's a pretty big investment. One server won't do, nor will a few terabytes of storage.

And I don't know why some say smaller providers don't suffer from DMCA; you guys do realise that 95% of all providers out there run off one of the three big backbone providers (tier 1 providers) right? Those being Highwinds (Astraweb, easynews, Eweka, usenetserver), Giganews (Giganews itself obviously, usenet.net, supernews) and Readnews (Usenet.se). Most of the smaller ones are resellers for the resellers (Cool Face).

The only true European backbones that I know of are XSNews, EuroAccess (ExtremeUsenet, XSUsenet), TweakNews/Cambrium (but they're quite terrible) and Elbracht (United-Newsserver). Elbracht is German and expensive, rest are all Dutch. Problem for most people is that in many cases you can't use Paypal with these companies because Paypal has cut them off.

Literally everything else is US based and will suffer from DMCA. Even here in NL there's a code and all 4 of the ones mentioned above will do takedowns as well when requested properly.

I'm considering giving XSNews a go myself, since I've finally noticed some DMCA issues lately. They're still very minor, but they're there. Astraweb seem to keep the stuff from Highwinds cached for a few days, so in some cases you can still get it from the EU server when it's already gone from the regular servers.
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PostPosted: Wed, 2nd Jan 2013 11:01    Post subject:
Go on werelds, which one would you recommend dammit Everything Went Better Than Expected

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