didn't even last 4 months glad I didn't trust it with anything critical it was mostly for games.
It was an nvme gen 4 msi m450 spatium. The weirdness happened when I'd be downloading a large game and it would suddenly disconnect until I restart then windows finds it again.
I noticed that it mainly did this issue when there were large single (50+GB) files sometimes, sometimes not. Yesterday it did the same thing except after a restart it would take too long to post and then not be detected at all, it did the exact same thing in both laptop and desktop. So it's dead.
Man I'm an old guy, I look at a 2.5" sata ssd or a regular hard drive and then I look at all these hot (literally) new super speedy nvme's and I'm like how's this very exposed brittle little thing supposed to survive the elements? apparently they can get quite hot too.
There's $70 down the drain from back when they were somewhat cheap, now the same one is $100 but I am not buying msi or any brand I don't recognize as decades old in the storage business which after looking into seems to have gotten shadier with time.
Looking at a WD Blue SN580 or Kingston KC3000 next, I need second mass storage on the laptop. both are over $100 which im fine with if these fucking new hot things can be reliable. which is luck of the draw it seems.
No probs with the samsung 970 (bought in 2020) and 980 (bought in 2021) so far.
And the 970 has been put through a harder pace since it's on a ga(y)ming laptop.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
I've had a samsung evo sata on my desktop for many years and the main nvme on the laptop is a samsung as well without complaints, but samsungs are pricey.
Seems to me you really don't wanna go cheap with nvme's if you care about your data.
I found a samsung 980 nvme 1TB for $120 it's gen 3 instead of gen 4 tho but im sure it's irrelevant on day to day usage esp for games & footage.
the WD Blue SN580 or Kingston KC3000 are gen 4 and cheaper at around $104/108.
In the end I care far more about durability than speeds especially if the latter comes with increased heat.
one of my SSD's just died, don't know what brand it is, but its possibly one of the Samsungs. can't be arsed to take it out and check which one it is
i bought my first SSD's 15 years ago, this is the first that actually breaks... so that's pretty good i think
maybe i can reformat it and it will work, didn't test. windows just says it can't read the drive any longer. edit: testing a (slow) reformat now...
edit: yeah, it works. Just some windows 11 fuck up (worst OS they've made imo, by far the buggiest). happened while i was copying large files to this drive..
Sad you don't get the shit you downloaded, but isn't it still under warranty after 4 months? Usually even buying stuff used here people mostly provide you with the recite.
The disk I had was full of old games hard to get these days, but I just got a new HDD from the chain-store, even tho I asked them to backup my stuff because the service USED to be great. Iv even worked there for a short period of time.
And even when there is no warranty the law here and probably other first world Nordic countries has 3-5 years complaint (a statement of one’s) dissatisfaction as a law if its not damaged by doing anything physical or do something you aren't supposed to... :/
I still have a 1yr warranty paper with the order # and everything. I would not count on it as they can easily attribute it to user error or electric surge or a wizard's fart and tell me to eat dirt. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try and give them a call about it. We'll see but I highly doubt it'll lead to anything positive.
It's interesting hearing so much about the low lifetime of SSD's and such. My old SSD Samsung evo 850 from 2015 is still going strong. Got Windows on it. It's slower for sure, but it works great.
@Stormwolf Same.
I got 3 SSDs that are between 2 and 6+ years old, as well as 3 NVMEs anywhere from about 6 months old to 5 years old.
So far, knock on wood none of them have given me any issues. And I am on my PC 10+ hours a day using them (work everyday, and gaming).
It's interesting hearing so much about the low lifetime of SSD's and such. My old SSD Samsung evo 850 from 2015 is still going strong. Got Windows on it. It's slower for sure, but it works great.
I actually looked into it and to put it simply, they are much cheaply and shadily made these days. I have HDD's that are older than a lot of youtube commenters and still work perfectly. Years old samsung SSD's the same.
The thing is I can't find them easily anymore, it's mostly high speed NVME's that get way too hot than what should be reasonable to deliver those speeds, and they mostly die due to the heat frying the controller or firmware corruption. These things are simply too small, exposed & flimsy.
The old sata ones weren't as fast but they didn't get hot, and if they did they had enclosures that dissipated it well and protected the PCB from the elements.
SSD Companies are literally sending youtubers different carefully selected samples than what you find in retail. Using chips that didn't make the cut and putting them on sold products anyway etc
your NVMEs should have a heatsink on them that came with the MB (for desktop anyway).
This is what all mine are currently sitting at, one busy downloading Planet Coaster (wanted to play it this weekend) one is running 4 VM's for work and processing PDF to TIF images in the VM's and running our server software for it.
If they do have a heatsink cover, and still hot (75-80c +) something's going wrong
can't have a heatsink on a laptop but I did have thermal pads and a metal cover. Either use case shouldn't lead to component death so prematurely. they should be tested enough to not fail due to everyday common uses.
And from what I hear it happens way more often these days with DoA Nvme's. I wasn't even using it for intense high speed shit, it couldn't even handle large files being downloaded at 1.2MBps
Sounds like you got a faulty one
In last few years I've tossed my share of them in my PC my sons and daughters new PCs, and friends upgrades (I seem to be the 'PC guy' for everyone) and they are holding up OK and they slam them with dumb shit.
If ya want I can ask avi what he recommends for a brand for laptop NVME. He installs/upgrades them by the bucketload at his PC shop for laptops and desktops. He'd have a good idea which new gen ones last the best.
It's interesting hearing so much about the low lifetime of SSD's and such. My old SSD Samsung evo 850 from 2015 is still going strong. Got Windows on it. It's slower for sure, but it works great.
You are tempting fate now!
Yeah i know after 9 years it's only a matter of time. I am planning to replace it with a new one.
Sounds like you got a faulty one
In last few years I've tossed my share of them in my PC my sons and daughters new PCs, and friends upgrades (I seem to be the 'PC guy' for everyone) and they are holding up OK and they slam them with dumb shit.
If ya want I can ask avi what he recommends for a brand for laptop NVME. He installs/upgrades them by the bucketload at his PC shop for laptops and desktops. He'd have a good idea which new gen ones last the best.
Advice from someone who deals with many laptop ssd's daily can only help.
I ended up getting a Teamgroup $70 1TB one, not for the blazing speeds or anything, but mainly because it sticks to under 60°C. And if it dies, hey I'm not out a fortune.
Just plugged it in and it works, fingers crossed it lasts, men.
Almost every other drive I saw hits the 80's° or even 90°+ under load. I don't understand, what is the point of all these silly speeds if the product is gonna burn itself to death?
I mean look at Gen5 it's absolute absurdity, storage now needs not only heatsinks but also loud annoying mini fans to stay cool.. STORAGE. Literally the last thing you'd think of when it comes to heat problems.
Also check out this channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TechTesters/playlists
it covers a lot of SSD's. I am not sure why so many big youtubers simply ignore this critical part of the industry and solely focus on 4090's and silly millionaire projects no one will ever find useful. Gets the most views from kids I guess.
@FireMaster
Sorry, wife got in an accident friday. some dickhole tboned her, so been dealing with insurance and looking for a car and totally forgot to talk to him, or we kept missing each other for voice chat until last night
Yay, 12k out the window for a new car....(sorry side rant).
He said he likes:
-Inland is his go to for midrange NVMEs for typical customers (think that's mostly a microcenter brand, but amazon sells them).
- Samsung he has a good track record with for 'enthusiast builds' [the 980/990 pros]. The lower end 9x0 ones either they are good for temps but usually slower with bad longevity of cycles, no better than an SSD for read/write speed for the price.
- Crucial is good, but hot. Work great in heatsink environments. Wouldn't recommend for a laptop unless a light duty one. a hot gaming one with real video card and high end CPU avoid them for those laptops.
- Sabret he doesn't buy for his usage. He had a bad run with the 1TB versions a while back and hears they are better, but doesn't want to risk warranty work on them when he has other options.
Avoid the Western Digital ones, well any WD drive really anymore. He's seen more failures on them from SDD, NVME, and Spinning than any other.
Holy shit man I hope your wife is fine! finances aside all that's important is that she is fine so don't fret about that too much and I hope all is well in the end and she ends up with a better car.
Thanks so much for the info, coming from a shop guy u know it's solid advice due to daily experience. even tho I did buy this one for the good temps If I ever buy one for the laptop (a 4TB when im rich) I'll keep all that in mind. I really don't care about read/write speeds as it's mostly a difference of seconds when it's SSD's, even SATA. Good temps/durability is all I care about.
Again I hope your wife is fine. Sucks about the big financial hit & car shit, I hope you'll recover from it without too many problems.
Thanks, she OK every airbag went off. So other than the typical seat belt rash on her collarbone and upper chest she is fine. Didn't even need to go to the doc, just a bruise where the belt was.
And I guess a better car went from 2012 mazda 3, to 2015 Altima. We dont drive enough to warrant a new car and payments, but need one reliable enough we dont want the headache of a $2000 beater we always on the edge of worrying 'does it die tomorrow'.
What sucks is the asshole blamed her for running the red light (she didn't, she had the green) and claimed she was texting and distracted. She NEVER texts, sooo...no way she was while driving. And no witnesses so they chalked it up to florida No Fault accident. Which means both parties are 'opps accident' and has to cover their own shit. He was 100% at fault but got out of his insurance paying for our totalled car.
Spoiler:
And since it was a paid off car, we dont do full coverage (no reason to pay $400 a month to cover a $6000 car, we would have paid more in insurance at this point than it was worth) we just had to eat the costs of a new car.
Might not be a constructive comment, but I always bought solid brands, and never ever had to look back.
My own advice? Anything Corsair is unkillable, and keeps on trucking.
My 16yo 640W Corsair PSU (amongst other items) served this PC and all my former rigs well, without fail.
Corsair products never, ever let me down in the slightest, even after over a decade of constant use and abuse. That shit alone talks volumes.
Not anymore, but from 2000 to 2009 I used Kingston for RAM, and those also never gave up on me even once.
Corsair first, Kingston second: solid hardware, as-announced perf, longevity... What else do you need?
And guess what? My SDD is from Corsair, never had even a sliver of an issue in 4y.
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach
All the best, DX, Tell your wife from now on regardless of right of way, to always assume there are insane retards on the road that don't care about traffic laws and account for it. This simple trick has saved my life endless times.
@HubU: I have a corsair PSU from 2017 that still works but I had to replace the fan on it and it's still kicking. The thing about SSD's tho is that they have changed a lot from years ago and they are rarely covered by main channels and if you don't do deep research as in read articles and especially keep an eye on thermals, you'll have an expensive failed component if it's a top of the line one.
Check this shit:
These ARE NOT low profile GPU's these are fricking gen5 ssd's. To get those blazing speeds the cost is heat, so more points of failure with each gen and the faster they get.
yeah that was total BS and i kind of knew that already, it was just people being angry about new tech and spreading shit / half-truths about it, it always happen.
just checked all mine and they were all ok. i have some *really* old ones, like 10'ish years at least.
@vurt
My OLD SSD has to be 7-10 years old, I had it when we moved to this house so at least 7 years.
I was my main OS one until I got NVMEs. Then it was in a raid with the other SSD, now they are separate drives. And it still is tip top shape. So far not even any reallocated sectors that SSD's do when it uses the spare ones to replace 'used up' ones.
@FireMaster
It's the way of tech: things get bigger, faster, and more powerful. But watts of heat is still a law of physics.
CPUs at one point didn't need fansand heatpipes on the cooler, GPU's could run off a single heatsink the size of a chipset heatsink with a 40mm fan. And you could run a whole PC off of a 200 watt power supply.
And as time went on things got faster, needed more wattage, and wattage needs to be dissipated.
(Side tangent but related no one cares about ):
If your PC is using 500 watts out of the wall, you have a literal 500 watt heater. Ever watt pulled is dissipated as heat as a byproduct of its usage to compute. It has to be 'used' somewhere and all electrical power converts to heat to produce 'work' (watts). Why heatsinks list the heat watts it is rated for. How many watts of heat it can absorb and disparate.
Sort of like an analogy to cars..kind of: Joules is Torque, Watts is horsepower. (Energy, and energy over time). You want more of them, you need more energy to do it, and all energy is dissipated as heat once used.
Until superconductors are everyday items, electrical resistance as the means of 'voltage doing math' (semiconductors) will be how it is. You want more 'maths' you need more power, which makes more heat.
We ARE getting more efficient on that wattage (heat) usage needed to do math and have been since semiconductors came out. But not at the same rate we are at making silicon do 'more maths'.
Like a 1930's engine vs a 2024 engine: More torque, less waste heat, for same volume of fuel. But the heat made by that smaller amount of fuel is the same as before per unit, we just needs less units to do it with diminisihing returns. (Why no perpetual motion, cannot ever get 100% efficiency, and that difference is lost as heat..in one way or the other: fiction, resistance, capacitance drop..whatever).
Why superconductors are a holy grail, we get out of the 'diminishing returns' of semiconductors, as the 'semi' in them means they are literal partial resistors, and the job of a resistor is to dissipate energy as heat (to restrict energy by X amount).
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glad I didn't trust it with anything critical it was mostly for games.
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