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Frant
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 Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 15:40 Post subject: Soda screw caps are stupid and annoying |
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13425883/tethered-plastic-bottle-caps-furious-experts.html
The screw caps that EU is forcing all the EU countries to use; They started using these fucking caps last year in Sweden. They are annoying as hell; always in the way when drinking, annoying to screw on again with that tether being in the way etc.
I rip them off and cut off the tether pieces. If I vote in the EU election June 5th I'll vote for the party that drives the anti-tethered caps bill.
I saw some proponent of that shit say "It stops plastic from ending up in the sea".. wtf, how many people drink soda while bathing in the sea? And if they do, wouldn't they throw away the entire bottle with cap and all instead of throwing away the cap and bringing back only the bottle?? Seriously, fuck that shit.
*phew* that felt good
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vurt
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 17:15 Post subject: |
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Its just redirecting blame on us as usual, not starting with firms dumping all kinds of shit in the sea.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 17:17 Post subject: |
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To be fair, is them doing it and us not caring. So both us are to blame.
We KNOW they will dump those plastic bags we get into the sea. But still get them knowing that because carrying canvas bags to the mini-mart, or petrol station is a PITA and we take the plastic bags home. Or insert other thing we know will end up in the ocean and convenience over conscious wins.
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 17:48 Post subject: |
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I honestly don't care. Yeah, it was not the most intelligent thing to do. But I'm not the expert.
Do something = bad, not enough, stupid EU, bla bla bla
Do nothing = bad, not enough, stupid EU, bla bla bla,
Just chose unregulated turbocapitalism and nationalism and all your problems will be solved. Pouf! Its magic.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 18:04 Post subject: |
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I dont care either way about them either. Put them back the way the was I say. As the tiny change isnt really doing anything but making people feel good they did 'something'.
As my view is stop annoying and inconveniencing us for frivolous shows of attempts. Granted it's that 'every tiny bit helps' thing, but the issue is all we DO is the most basic and far between tiny steps. The ones that really don't help enough on thier own: This, paper straws, whatever else 'looks good, doesnt do shit really' efforts that balance out "Feels like I'm doing something, without too much inconvenience to me. And thats what matters."
I say either stop doing the token things that only visually appeals to or 'I'm helping!" and just let people do as they wish, or commit and force everyone to do the shit that actually helps despite being huge PITAs.
I'm for either, just please world, pick one. Stop wading in the middle ground. As all that is doing is annoying everyone, while not helping to any degree that matters.
"Shit or get off the can" as they say.
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 18:22 Post subject: |
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Well, at least we got a thread and a new issue in "EU cucks bad".
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 19:36 Post subject: |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 20:13 Post subject: |
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I saw this last year in Bulgaria and couldn’t figure why I had difficulty tearing down the caps. I ironically, I dropped more caps using these retarded bottles than normal ones sold in Israel, because of the force needed to tear it without spilling the bottle. More euro-pee-on nonsense.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 20:22 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | I honestly don't care. Yeah, it was not the most intelligent thing to do. But I'm not the expert.
Do something = bad, not enough, stupid EU, bla bla bla
Do nothing = bad, not enough, stupid EU, bla bla bla,
Just chose unregulated turbocapitalism and nationalism and all your problems will be solved. Pouf! It’s magic. |
This is a dumb, shortsighted and defeatist take. People get fed up slowly more and more. Eventually, a plastic cap will break the camel’s back. Especially when none of these idiotic policies make any meaningful difference dealing with global ecological pollution, where the major polluters being India, Africa, Latin and Central America, and China, and those have zero incentive to change practices. They eMeRGiNg EcOnOmiEs after all. How else are they going to emerge if not by dumping shit in the ocean and atmosphere? So yes, doing nothing and doing this kind of “something” is jus about as equivalent, while the “something” has a profound effect on public opinion. |
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 20:36 Post subject: |
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I don't disagree, but the alternatives are way worse. And doing something meaningful without affecting people's life is impossible anyway. I don't care about bottle caps, but this is the kind of nonsense stuff you get when nobody really wants to have an impact. Because it hurts the economy, the shareholders, the steak on my plate etc. One way or another we are en route to majors conflicts and disasters. With removable bottle caps or not. The question is: will we prepare ourselves, or will we try to continue doing like nothing will happen until it blows up in our face even more.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 20:53 Post subject: |
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If the blow up is inevitable, and I don’t disagree about that, what is the point of annoying people in their daily lives with these caps? Or with paper straws that melt in their cups? Or asking them to pay for terrible paper bags while inflation is rampaging worldwide? The net benefit is miniscule in best case scenario, while inciting a pushback that can prove much more catastrophic for the same cause.
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 21:10 Post subject: |
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Neither the paper bags nor the paper straws, have been that bad. And I'm still positive that it's an accumulation of little things that, in mass, can have a positive impact. And if people already brown their pants over paper bags and straws, they just show how much they are living an entitled as fuck life.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 25th May 2024 23:36 Post subject: |
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Its no so much I brown my pants over them. Its more I see it as we are purposely doing the bare minimum. And only because someone else did it for us and it's not too hard to let them do it for us.
Why I mentioned like you did of the accumulation of little things. But I feel we only accumulate enough little things to feel good we did. Not enough to do much good. We are using a tea cup to bilge a sinking ship we are cutting more holes in.
I'm 100% guilty of it too. I will drive my 17 MPG (7 KPL for non retard units) Jeep to the store to load up on plastic bags of groceries, stop and get fast food on the way home. And if I got a soda in a one time use throw away bottle. Feel "I am helping!" because the cap is attached. "look at me being responsible by buying the brand of soda with the fish saving top". To throw the bags and the bottle in the recycle bin 20 minutes after getting them (because it feels good to) despite knowing 80-90% of it in that bin will end up in a landfill anyway.
Until people (me included) want to change and willing to put effort into it. No amount of 'other people are doing it for me' sporadic, non-inconveniencing tea cups of water out of the boat is helping. As for each cup we bilge, we shoot a cannon ball into the hull.
We under estimate the size of our cannon ball, and over inflate how big our personal teacup is.
So it's not I'm browning my pants over them, I am scratching my head over them. for small accumulation of little things, we need to accumulate things. and too many accumulations we would reject, as it would turn into a bother. And saving the future planet, is it realllly worth all those tiny things I notice in bulk now? Most people would say no, and we 'can start getting serious about saving it tomorrow'.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th May 2024 11:23 Post subject: |
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Adding this to the list of little annoyances EU citizens have to put up with
- Tethered soda caps
- Internet cookie popups
- Constant energy saving warnings in TV Menus
Some of what the EU does is good - like banning social scoring methods - but they're really into Nudge theory
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Frant
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| Posted: Sun, 26th May 2024 12:07 Post subject: |
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A factor in this is that I live in Sweden, a very recycle-conscious country that has to IMPORT garbage from the UK, Norway etc. to keep thermal power plants running. We have clean cities, clean roads, clean water etc. etc. yet there's a ridiculous tax on plastic bags, tethered bottle caps etc. etc... It's a minor nuisance but it's still annoying.
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| Posted: Sun, 26th May 2024 13:41 Post subject: |
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Err.. I thought the cap was non recyclable as it's different plastic to the bottles?
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| Posted: Sun, 26th May 2024 17:46 Post subject: |
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@AmpegV4 Not sure how they do it there. Here it 'depends'.
Some you need to take the cap off and throw it in the trash, some you take off and throw in the recycle bin so it can be separated, and some you leave on.
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And people constantly get it wrong, dont pay attention, like me if I'm out and finish one in the car. Or cant be assed to keep them all to sort and separate them before binning them.
Add to that about 1/2-3/4 of our recycling ends up in landfills anyway, because of random shit and lack of proper efforts to recycle it all.
Then deal with the recycle symbol clusterfuck here vs a 'real' one, the fake ones companies put on stuff to make people assume it is.
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One is recyclable, the other is a 'plastic grading symbol' (Made to vaguely look like a recycle symbol).
These are all the "Grade symbols' Not all of them are recyclable....
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So unless it has the real "three folded over recycle arrows' I just assume its not recyclable. And just using plastic makers 'tricky enough to fool people to buy it' grading symbol instead.
So like in my house, we dont have a recycle bin, and a trash bin. I jokingly refer to them as "Feel Bad Trash can" and "Fell Good Trash can". Since more than likely they are both going to where trash goes. Kids use to ask me "Which one is this?" look at it go "That goes in the feel bad can" (or vice versa)
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| Posted: Wed, 29th May 2024 05:32 Post subject: |
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I have never seen as much bottle caps on the ground than now, people are now literally throwing them away more now since they are annoying as fuck.
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| Posted: Wed, 29th May 2024 05:35 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | I have never seen as much bottle caps on the ground than now, people are now literally throwing them away more now since they are annoying as fuck. |
The world's about to end, this is a form of printing money
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| Posted: Wed, 29th May 2024 09:51 Post subject: |
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At least you will have money, right?
Until printing the money becomes more expensive than it's worth.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 29th May 2024 15:49 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | In order to pay the striking workers the government simply printed more money. This flood of money led to hyperinflation as the more money was printed, the more prices rose. Prices ran out of control, for example a loaf of bread, which cost 250 marks in January 1923, had risen to 200,000 million marks in November 1923. |
The Weimar Republic 1918-1929
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| Posted: Wed, 29th May 2024 23:47 Post subject: |
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It was a Fallout joke and now I don't know where you've taken it
Damn it, TSR
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Frant
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| Posted: Thu, 30th May 2024 15:05 Post subject: |
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| iconized wrote: | | Quote: | | In order to pay the striking workers the government simply printed more money. This flood of money led to hyperinflation as the more money was printed, the more prices rose. Prices ran out of control, for example a loaf of bread, which cost 250 marks in January 1923, had risen to 200,000 million marks in November 1923. |
The Weimar Republic 1918-1929 |
So they used environmental friendly screw corks all the way back in the early 20th century eh?
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