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 Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 12:49 Post subject: Quick check on trans stuff |
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I think most folks here are close to what i think is common sense. And im afraid to ask wtf is going
So sure, adults can if they want fo whatever they want with their bodies, just make sure u fucking say what u are if you are dating someone etc, ill respect you if are decent, i still think weird about it but all right, im ignorant on the science around it
But i thought the birth sex was something that doesnt change, you transitioner but you are really male/female. well i see folks can actually update their birth certificatEs after surgeries. Im genuinelly confused how this is a thing, are we fucking bending over backwards? Am i crazy here
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 13:09 Post subject: |
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Do you care if someone else's ID says male or female on it? Does it effect or inconvenience you in any way?
let it say Dinosaur for all care. Long as it all the documents match:
"Is this your ID"
"yes"
"Are you John Smith?"
"Yes"
"It says you are a dinosaur"
"I am"
"Good, then your ID matches with what you and your records say. here is your speeding ticket Mr Smith".
I personally fail to see why they care if they can change words on paper myself. BUT also fail to see why anyone cares if it does.
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vurt
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 14:11 Post subject: |
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It can absolutely impact society as a whole if people can dream up whatever and have on their ID. South Park has done some episodes that explains it's dangers / idiocy easy enough for a small kid or low IQ person to understand.
And why would we think it will stop there, when they get one thing they will demand the next, and it will take even more liberties. They're already changing words so that acceptance for weird stuff or (now) illegal stuff will be more tolerated. Like wording "pedophile" something else, i think it was minor-attracted person or whatever it was, to paint it in a better light.
If we let the left run amok completely you'll absolutely have child and animal sex "liberation" in no time.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 14:46 Post subject: |
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Most cases I'd say it's a fetish, plain and simple.
The real cases of gender dysphoria I've read anecdotally about involve barely be able to look in a mirror, wear the opposite of form-fitting clothes and even taking showers with clothes on as you really REALLY feel alienated by your body; they don't involve having xitter and other social media accounts full of selfies wearing girly clothes and dog collars, while also wanting to be immune to the slightest of criticism and wanting to frequent womens bathrooms.
Finally, in ~20-30 years down the line these HRT "treatments" will be viewed on the same level as Lobotomies, with the "bonus" that they were allowed and sometimes encouraged to be done on children. It's gonna be lit!
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 15:01 Post subject: |
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People are now treating a mental illness like it's something to brag about, like it's a fucking lifestyle/accessory to flaunt. It's honestly ridiculous.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 15:39 Post subject: |
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Sumzero: its the biology or science or medical aspect of it that caught me off guard... Your are biologically something, even trans folks in reddit accept biological vs whatever they call it, assigned?. Biologically you are a male, or female, you dont magically gain all aspects of that sex. Seeing how something that is scientifically accurate (birth cert sex) be changed afterwards is insane to me
I dont mind, im married but it would be fucking insane to date someone and end up thinking and finding out they transitioned and all documents say the elected sex. Ive seen posts on reddit where folks hold off informing their partner and everyone freaks out which makes sense
I grew up considering gender disphoria as a mental illness, homosexuality too, i changed and accept homosexuality but the transgender issue has blown past me, i know nor the science or any other aspect of it, i respect adults doing their shit but imo its getting quite weird and bizarre
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 16:08 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I don't care what adults do either. If you're 18 you're allowed to fuck up your life however you want. It's sick that it's pushed on kids and encouraged, having them start on hormone blockers and shit. I don't know, for me that's child abuse.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 16:59 Post subject: |
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I haven't seen a quick check yet.
So we start with a short self check:
1. We look at our genitals
2. We are happy with we see
Females: Use a mirror
3. Just pretend to be happy
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Nalo
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 20:02 Post subject: |
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Its mental illness.
Nigga Hail Hortler（。々°）
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 20:11 Post subject: |
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The world is really divided. My dominican friends ALL share similar ideas, i can grasp my head around adult freedom but not to the extend im seeing things. Thanks for sharing.
The world is getting crazy, between politics, gamestop frenzy, all these new ideas, people really hook onto things madly. Oh well
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 20:21 Post subject: |
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| iconized wrote: | I haven't seen a quick check yet.
So we start with a short self check:
1. We look at our genitals
2. We are happy with we see
Females: Use a mirror
3. Just pretend to be happy |
Or they use that mirror and masturbate
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 21:06 Post subject: |
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Bored rich people. Trans surgery, voice training, hormone treatments, this shit is NOT cheap. And only golden spoon babies throw tantrums about irrelevant shit.
I doubt people who have important things to worry about stop to question their genitals. There is a reason this stuff is mostly a big deal in rich countries, it also serves as a very effective distraction from the real economic problems that are brewing.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 23:11 Post subject: |
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| Kezmark wrote: | | Yeah, I don't care what adults do either. If you're 18 you're allowed to fuck up your life however you want. It's sick that it's pushed on kids and encouraged, having them start on hormone blockers and shit. I don't know, for me that's child abuse. |
When I was in elementary school (loooong time ago) there was a girl by nature, but obviously born into the wrong body as she was very much a boy (she and everyone else saw it that way). As soon as she could transition, she did. Nobody gave a fuck then. I don't agree that it's child abuse when even Stevie Wonder could see it. Keep a child unhappy until they're 18? That's not the answer.
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 23:19 Post subject: |
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@Areius
Right?
The only people more obsessed with seeing it changed, is those that don't want to see it changed.
Also (unrelated to the reply):
Straight people:
Bleach/dye their hair, get boob jobs, have plastic surgery, whiten their teeth, take drugs to build muscle/lose fat, wear makeup to appear as someone they are not [females anyway], the list goes on and on.
All in an attempt to look how they want and feel good about themselves and alter how others see them in ways that are not naturally 'them'.
Trans people:
change stuff about themselves to do the same.
STOP THAT IT IS UNNATURAL you freak!
Its all fine to change nearly everything about yourself if you wish to change how you feel about yourself and how others see you. until you include the sacred and taboo genitalia then people lose their shit. (But boobs are fine? I guess long as the change is for hetro sex then its acceptable).
| vurt wrote: | | If we let the left run amok completely you'll absolutely have child and animal sex "liberation" in no time. |
Ah that old argument:
IF we let men fuck each other, they will be banging dogs and cats in no time.
Wait no..that was in the early 1900's. Glad to see the slippery slope argument of animal fucking still has some meat behind it.
Dont like what someone does sexually? Toss out if we condone it people will be banging stray dogs in the street before we know it.
(the implied connection of that statement that anyone not straight is only a step away from wanting to bang animals or kids is insane. Or the implied meaning that doing anything other than straight sex is one step away from banging animals is too. it infers that any 'not straight sex' is so unusual that banging a dog is next door to it.)
It really smells of that you find it so disgusting, that banging a kid or a dog is almost on the same level as it. So you connect the two in your head as equally macabre.
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vurt
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Nov 2024 23:39 Post subject: |
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If you have to make up shit i never said, then maybe don't reply at all because it means you have zero arguments.
also, hiding behind a new user name is really lame. i've never done something similar on this site, because if i say something i can stand for it, i can argue for it and i'm not a pussy and i don't need to hide.
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vurt
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I know men with boob implants, that act like women and play the part. All Friends of the same friend, that I'm often in contact with.
Only one aknowledge that they are a man. That person is genuinly great on all levels and makes no fuss about the any facts of nature.
But the few others that I very soldom see around? Better not push the issue unless you're in for a amusing one.
So, IMO, the first kind? Sure, whatever. He's done the tit-job as a dude, which is already outlandish, but know what's what. I'm 100% fine with that stuff.
The others that insist on being called by their made-up female name? Even and if just a pig with lipstick?
Well:
| Nalo wrote: | | Its mental illness. |
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 04:34 Post subject: |
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Back in the 1950s: Currently, it's fashionable to cheer for mentally ill (gays). It won't be long before pedophiles are considered a normal group.
[100% the popular argument used against it back then. My dad held that stance and proclaimed it until his death as why he was against gays and how it was an illness]
Times change, but arguments and bigotry labeling things as a mental illness to dismiss it in a negative light don't. Just the noun it uses does.
And let's say it IS a mental illness. it's cool to shit on and mock mental illnesses? Or just shit on the ones you don't like? Where is the vitriol for people for PTSD, or bipolar, or OCD, or ASD, etc? It's almost as if the claim of mental illness isn't used to point out it is simply one, but to point out 'which' one it is to inspire disdain for it because of what one it is, not that its an illness.
A way to dance around saying how you feel, to put the burden on them for being that, not a burden on yourself for feeling that way about them.
if it IS a mental illness, its the only mental illness I know of that when saying 'mental illness' is akin to the infection used when a racist says the word 'those people' (to put the burden on them for being that, not burden on themselves for feeling that way about them). it has meaning they are trying to convey beyond the simple word itself.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 05:39 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | If you have to make up shit i never said, then maybe don't reply at all because it means you have zero arguments.
also, hiding behind a new user name is really lame. i've never done something similar on this site, because if i say something i can stand for it, i can argue for it and i'm not a pussy and i don't need to hide. |
I'hve always be iconised, but for the parts I was TSR69. Terminate and Stay Resident.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 06:35 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | also, hiding behind a new user name is really lame. i've never done something similar on this site, because if i say something i can stand for it, i can argue for it and i'm not a pussy and i don't need to hide. |
Whos hiding, I left. You are assuming WAY too much of what happened and my intentions of it or why I am on this name.
Ask me who I was I would tell you.
I left, read some posts, and wanted to post something.
Now that I have and seen the result I think leaving was the right idea: hindsight and all that.
left for two-three months. Come back still 90% of the posts are still the same dead horse being drug into unrelated rooms to be beaten in that room since people are there for it to be seen beaten.
Nfohump topics result regardless of title even if unrelated to the topic start:
Muslims bad
Trans bad
Woke bad
Woke trans-Muslims super bad.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 07:57 Post subject: |
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| Areius wrote: |
When I was in elementary school (loooong time ago) there was a girl by nature, but obviously born into the wrong body as she was very much a boy (she and everyone else saw it that way). As soon as she could transition, she did. Nobody gave a fuck then. I don't agree that it's child abuse when even Stevie Wonder could see it. Keep a child unhappy until they're 18? That's not the answer. |
I don't think someone in elementary school even understands the difference. What was obviously making her born in to the wrong body? That she enjoyed commonly manly stuff? Do you think that makes you a man?
I love how people like this talk about gender as a "social construct" yet assign actual social constructs like clothing and hobbies as to what makes you a different gender.
Kids don't understand what the fuck they are talking about most of the time. I could make a long list of the shit I was into, or thought I wanted to be when I was young, and none of which need to be indulged by parents.
I also like how you act like the only option is being unhappy, like you can't be understanding and try to work through things with your kid without pumping them full of drugs.
If your kid had a mental disorder where he couldn't stand his hands and was convinced that they needed to be removed. Regardless of how adamant he was, would you allow them to go through with it? (it is an extreme example, sure, but not as extreme as it might seem initially considering what a full transition implies). But hey, for a less extreme example. Do you think it is better to let your kid indulge in large quantities of sweets, or control how much they should eat, even though it might make them unhappy in the short term?
How is a child not capable of making their own choice on minor shit like drinking, drugs, sex, even shit like what food they should eat, and a multitude of other shit, but hey... completely changing your gender, taking hormones and having invasive surgery... sure, they can consent to that. They surely are fully aware of the implications and are ready to make that choice.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2024 10:39 Post subject: |
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| Kezmark wrote: |
How is a child not capable of making their own choice on minor shit like drinking, drugs, sex, even shit like what food they should eat, and a multitude of other shit, but hey... completely changing your gender, taking hormones and having invasive surgery... sure, they can consent to that. They surely are fully aware of the implications and are ready to make that choice. |
That's not how it works, its not how any of that works.
I assume (maybe wrongly) you have zero actual idea how it works and are going off 3rd hand online info that is second-hand outrage over poorly or selected out-of-context 1st hand snippets of info that are inaccurate out of the context as a whole?(and its out of context on purpose to invoke the sentiment you have from that)
I mean it is completely different than you describe. Unless they are going to some fringe ostriched doctor specifically because he rejects the established regime of general medical professionals. NO 'kid' can even start to get any elicit or augmenting procedures, or prescribed alterations (hormones), until well after the Menarche stage of puberty years. Before 16 is rare, 18 is the typical age
As the process, stages of assessment and stop-gap milestones, and different stages and years of counseling by a mental health expert that happen at different ages, all before they are even 'allowed' to start any invasive or persuasive outside facilitated changes..is literally NOTHING like you mention it happens as.
No doctor (well surgeons..two different things: All surgeons are physicians, but all physicians are not surgeons) will cut you open to remove a dangerous tumor without rigorous tests, studies, and expert opinions of specialized doctors signing off on the necessity of the operation. As well as well versing you on the dangers, complications, future expectations, and implications of you agreeing to that surgery.
Do you....think they just go "Well Johny don't want a penis, and mom said its ok. hand me the estrogen and scissors"
Any doctor giving a preteen pre-Menarche person any of what you mentioned should be reported. As what they are doing is criminally chargeable and medical malpractice liable in the biggest way possible.
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vurt
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It's so fucking politicized that yes, i think it's sometimes that easy. of course, depending on state in US too.. parents pushing for it, doctors pushing for it, MSM pushing for it.
you'll find thousands of regret stories.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=regret+sex+change++
with other search words you can come up with many, many more, and this is just for US.
Sex change isn't anything new either. We've had it for a while, these horror stories are mostly something new. People jumping into it because they're absolutely brainwashed + its just easier than ever to be granted one.
you're awfully chatty for someone who thought, and still thinks, it was a good idea to leave. lol...
and yes, pedophilia getting normalized is absolutely a thing. if it ever gets there, i don't know. one thing is certain, i'll make sure to never vote for anyone even slightly leaning towards it in any way, even if its just let's change the word so it sounds nicer.
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WTF doctors pushing for it?? Is that a general medical field collective being tossed out, or you mean majority of doctors? or a non-trivial amount of them, or a few of them?
"Doctors' can mean 'I can find a list that do" or "all of them" or anywhere between. need clarification of that vague statement.
Which I think is vague on purpose: Dear reader you read the level of doom-crying as much as you feel you need to out of 1...or 100,000 doctors? Well "Doctors' is ambiguous enough to make you worry it might be most.
And I honestly have no idea where "MSM" is pushing for it. I 100% in completely honestly have NO idea where you guys get news at. I work with newspapers (and online publishers 40 hours a week as my job seeing articles and columns from US and Europe as my home company is in Isreal and started in Europe outlets) and I rarely..and I mean RARELY (like maybe 2 this year) seen any that are actively talking about preteen rights to gender change and 'pushing for it'. No. Id say 'talking about it' yes...'Pro-kid changing' no.
Im sure we all could find the one or two off article advocating for it from some quasi-MSM if we go far enough into Google results. But an agenda of them for it? My tin foil isn't thick enough in my hat for that.
I feel "MSM" is a catch-all wolf the boy can cry about, and there is so much of 'MSM', its a foolproof scapegoat to use that if you scoured the 1000's of hours a day of its content, you could pull a couple of hours a month of what they say into a huge 'blurb' and go "They are constantly talking about it. Look how much I found."
Thats like saying youtube is filled with people constantly talking about deer hunting. Because I can find 100's of hours of content on it there if I was asked for proof of that claim.
| vurt wrote: | | you're awfully chatty for someone who thought, and still thinks, it was a good idea to leave. lol... |
Your right. my mistake. Thats on me. I was wrong to doubt it wasn't a good idea.
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vurt
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There wouldn't be this many horror stories if we're truly exaggerating, so no we don't need to exaggerate it.
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| vurt wrote: | | so no we don't need to exaggerate it. |
But yet...still you both do. Odd.
Literally everything he said was an absurd exaggeration of the process to do so.
I mean IF there is an easier way, My daughter has two friends going thru it since 12 that still hasnt gotten to the point of anything beyond mental health guidance, doctor observation and assessment, and puberty blockers early on starting at 14, that took from the age of 10~ish to 14, get approved for those (they are 17 now).
So if you know this prethoria of ways to make it a 1-2 year process. I will pass it on, as they are doing it the slow way.
Oh wow look, 'deer hunting' videos. (See above post it that makes no sense)
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Even a poor argument is still 1 argument.
(and again, that doesn't mean gays wants to fuck animals, just because it's your 1 argument lol)
