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 Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 11:54 Post subject: Do You Ever Wonder... |
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The point of it all? Life, that is. With alot of time on my hands lately, I couldn't help but rekindle the thought of this age old question. The more I mull over it, the less progress I fuckin make.
I recently saw a movie, Equilibrium (a massivley underrated, undermarketed action/scifi flick). For those that haven't seen it, it involves a facist like futuristic society in which "feeling" is deemed criminal and punishable by death. Think a mixture of the Half Life 2 storyline with Brave New World by Huxley, and you'll have a pretty good picture of what it entails. Anyway, an enforcer for this new society is questioning a detainee, a woman in her mid 30s. In a moment of sheer desperation, she grabs him by the arm, and asks him: "What is the point of your existance? Why live?" The enforcer replies "I exist to serve and ensure the continued existence of Libria" (this futuristic society). She replies, "Its circular. You exist to further your existence. What's the point?".
What IS the point?
Billions of people worldwide.
Some unimaginably rich, some so poor they live in complete poverty, and lots of middle class.
Now, in each of those abovementioned categories you have countless "types" of people.
You have those who would murder their own to reap a gain, beit money or power.
You have those so selfless, that they would give up their life in order to ensure the existance of another.
You have those that would do neither. Again, your average Joe.
Good, Evil, Neutrality.
You have selfless people that die young or suddenly. Some live out their lives and die naturally at old age. You have murderers and evil bastards that undergo the same process.
The point is, there's absolutley no fucking logic to any of it.
There's no way to connect any of it, to distinguish it in anyway.
What does it matter then, if one dies today, tomorrow, 10, or 50 years from now? We all undergo the same fate, that of death. Whether you were the most selfless person the world has ever seen , or a crazed serial killer, or merely your average Bob. In the end, we're all fucked, right?
This leads to the unravelling of yet another question: Assuming you "believe" in an all knowing force, beit God, simply a Master Spirit, or WHATEVER have you (religon type does not matter), why did IT create existence? An expirement? Simply because?
More importantly, why did IT deem necessary to create such a disorderly and illogical existance as we have now and have always had, referring back to the above?
Curious to see everyone's outlook on this...
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 11:58 Post subject: |
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That's a great question and I love the way you think. I'm not able to answer with the truth, and neither is anyone on this forum or the entire world.
But still, a great question.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 12:27 Post subject: |
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Yes we all die. But so what? For all you know this might just be It. Nothing more nothing less. In the 'grand' scale of things your life is meaningless and not worth living. Does that mean you dont enjoy it? Your memories will die with you but i'd rather have that than nothing.
edit: Also I hate to think about things like this because it upsets me  . Realising your insignificance is a scary thing that's why you don't think about death every day, you get on with your life.
Also people say 'you're wasting your life doing such and such' The way I see it is if i wasn't doing this then how do i know im not prolonging my life? or actually getting some benefit from it etc etc.
If everyone really believed that there was life after death and all that you'd have peoplekilling themselves. which you do. I for one though don't want to take my chances and just try to enjoy this in-significant part
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 21:44 Post subject: |
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I don't know why I'm here or where I'm going, but you can be damn sure I'll do my best to enjoy the ride.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 21:45 Post subject: |
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Obviously there is no point. We are just organisms in a vast vast space, and realistically we make up like .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of everything in just our own galaxy. The entire point of an organism is to reproduce, thus keeping the species alive, nothing more, nothing less. Stop thinking about it to much.
Of course, some people find this prospect too deppressing, and thus create some super-being which gives them more of a real 'purpose' in life.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 22:04 Post subject: |
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If there´s something i have realized (and yes, wich i came to understand during sleepless nights) is that we are indeed insignificant. Now, as much as i find humanity insignificant, i don´t want to die just like that.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 22:13 Post subject: |
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It depends on wether you beleive in creation or evolution
If creation then only god has the answer
If evolution then we're an accident anyway so there's no answer
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 22:24 Post subject: |
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no point applying logic to the question of life.
logic will always be mere human knowledge and nothing more.
that is if we allow the possibility of something smarter than us.
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| Posted: Sun, 27th Nov 2005 23:48 Post subject: |
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The point of existance then is merely to exist?
There has to be some better reasoning to it than that.
Else, why bother? Why not just fuck it all?
Right now, I'm eating a sandwich. Yet, some poor bastard in Africa is lying on the floor slowly starving to death. I'm pretty neutral right now, not feeling much of anything, yet that guy is in agony. What makes me more deserving of that fuckin sandwhich than him? Where I was born? The society I was raised in?
I mean fuck, for all we know I could be the fuckin asshole, and he could really be a great person. Yet, I'm going to live through at least tomorrow, he may not.
Bah.
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Nov 2005 00:09 Post subject: |
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you're lucky, he's not. simple as that.
don't think too much about it.
| Accelleron wrote: | I don't know why I'm here or where I'm going, but you can be damn sure I'll do my best to enjoy the ride.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Nov 2005 00:18 Post subject: |
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| Immunity wrote: | The point of existance then is merely to exist?
There has to be some better reasoning to it than that.
Else, why bother? Why not just fuck it all?
Right now, I'm eating a sandwich. Yet, some poor bastard in Africa is lying on the floor slowly starving to death. I'm pretty neutral right now, not feeling much of anything, yet that guy is in agony. What makes me more deserving of that fuckin sandwhich than him? Where I was born? The society I was raised in?
I mean fuck, for all we know I could be the fuckin asshole, and he could really be a great person. Yet, I'm going to live through at least tomorrow, he may not.
Bah. |
In reality, who cares? The reason that person is dying is because in that part of the world the human species is overpopulated, thus, people die for no good reason. Get over it.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Nov 2005 03:07 Post subject: |
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hahaha, what a silly question. Why question existance when it's possible we don't even exist, hmm?
On a simpler scale, this is why I live day by day. I don't set goals. I don't expect anything but what I have fashioned for myself. I will die, whether it be tomorrow or 200 years from now, happy knowing that I couldn't have possibly enjoyed my short time "alive" than I did.
But again, am I alive now? Or do I become "alive" when I die? Who is 'me'?
i can has computar?!
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Nov 2005 03:45 Post subject: |
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If you haven't found the point of your life, then you obviously haven't been looking hard enough.
To some, existence is merely that it seems frightening to die. And therefore stay "alive".
However, whether that form of subcrastination is being alive is highly debatable.
Yes, yes I'm back.
Somewhat.
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Nov 2005 04:03 Post subject: |
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You need to discover your own truth about existance, no-one can do it for you. I believe I have, I don't care to share it with you, the only person I have shared it with is my mother, but it satisfies me whenever 'The Question' pops into my head.
Whether or not it is the absolute truth is irrelevent, as absolute truth depends upon perspective. Which is subjective.
There is no definitive answer, don't look for one. Rather come to an understanding.
I believe I have my purpose, and thats all that matters.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Mon, 28th Nov 2005 13:11 Post subject: |
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everyone creates their own purpose, there is no natural purpose for any person.
you do what you want to do, you follow your aims and ideals you believe in.
decide it for yourself and as accelleron said, enjoy the ride.
your purpose is basically what everything turns out like in the end, because everything that happens couldntve happened in any other way. even if you die before ur 20th birthday, that was your purpose then, simple. there is nothing that happens at random, basically all events were predetermined at the very first point of existence.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 03:39 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | | even if you die before ur 20th birthday, that was your purpose then, simple. there is nothing that happens at random, basically all events were predetermined at the very first point of existence. |
Did you develop that belief yourself, or did you base it on a rudimentary understanding of causality?
Many quantum particles are inherently chaotic without any specific cause. Fundamentally every system is governed by quantum mechanics. While on the physical level the effect of this chaotic behaviour is negligible, in predictive terms it has a massive effect, i.e.no system can be predicted with 100% accuracy. This includes the human mind.
Even an ultimate intelligence (i.e. it has no intellectual limitations) could only predict a system to the nth degree < 100.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 03:53 Post subject: |
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Children are our purpose.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 04:02 Post subject: |
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Well, this is how I think it goes.
I think its a Bhuddist philosophy, but im not sure...i came up with it on my own, but ive been told bhuddist's believe the same thing.
I think we all become Gods/Demi Gods at some point in time. We start as a lower organisim and work our way up, learning crucial lessons as we progress. Things start out basic, survival, reproduction etc until finally u become human - which is the last stage before god-like status.
And thats the test, figuring out the purpose of life, of existing.
I think all those questions are answered upon death, when we ascend. So death is basically the test of life...if that makes sense.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 04:17 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | Well, this is how I think it goes.
I think its a Bhuddist philosophy, but im not sure...i came up with it on my own, but ive been told bhuddist's believe the same thing.
I think we all become Gods/Demi Gods at some point in time. We start as a lower organisim and work our way up, learning crucial lessons as we progress. Things start out basic, survival, reproduction etc until finally u become human - which is the last stage before god-like status.
And thats the test, figuring out the purpose of life, of existing.
I think all those questions are answered upon death, when we ascend. So death is basically the test of life...if that makes sense. |
That's a very interesting outlook man. Thanks for sharing. Will give me something to think about 
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 04:22 Post subject: |
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| Immunity wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | Well, this is how I think it goes.
I think its a Bhuddist philosophy, but im not sure...i came up with it on my own, but ive been told bhuddist's believe the same thing.
I think we all become Gods/Demi Gods at some point in time. We start as a lower organisim and work our way up, learning crucial lessons as we progress. Things start out basic, survival, reproduction etc until finally u become human - which is the last stage before god-like status.
And thats the test, figuring out the purpose of life, of existing.
I think all those questions are answered upon death, when we ascend. So death is basically the test of life...if that makes sense. |
That's a very interesting outlook man. Thanks for sharing. Will give me something to think about |
Well, sure as hell beats sittin on a cloud with some hairy dudes in dresses right?  |
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 05:12 Post subject: |
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I think it's much better to form your own beliefs, then to have someone dictate them to you. Even if your beliefs happen to coincide with a religions it's still much more valid to you as an individual.
I'm still trying to figure out if my beliefs are similar to some esoteric religion out there, some bits of it are, some not.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 06:24 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | I think it's much better to form your own beliefs, then to have someone dictate them to you. Even if your beliefs happen to coincide with a religions it's still much more valid to you as an individual.
I'm still trying to figure out if my beliefs are similar to some esoteric religion out there, some bits of it are, some not. |
thats what im saying. Thats why I use Wicca as an outline. Like, its just a way to worship whatever god it is you worship. There arent any rules or regulations (aside from Wiccan Rede and 3 Fold Law) and your free to worship whichever God(s)/Goddess(') u please without the fear of "going to hell" - there is no hell right. God has an evil side just as much as a good side. Thats the Duality of it tho, the beauty. Its human nature to be evil and kind, a certain times...and neither are really wrong (as long as ur not killing or raping someone). |
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 06:30 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Is that your excuse for busting up all those pizda lookalikes?  |
fuckin right...duality nigga, duality Survival of the fittest right? |
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 08:05 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | D_A_Kuja wrote: | | even if you die before ur 20th birthday, that was your purpose then, simple. there is nothing that happens at random, basically all events were predetermined at the very first point of existence. |
Did you develop that belief yourself, or did you base it on a rudimentary understanding of causality?
Many quantum particles are inherently chaotic without any specific cause. Fundamentally every system is governed by quantum mechanics. While on the physical level the effect of this chaotic behaviour is negligible, in predictive terms it has a massive effect, i.e.no system can be predicted with 100% accuracy. This includes the human mind.
Even an ultimate intelligence (i.e. it has no intellectual limitations) could only predict a system to the nth degree < 100. |
basically every action has a reaction, everything that happens leads to another event, nothing is random, random is only what we humans call something that we re not able to calculate, something too complex. so the source of all existence already predetermined all events that are to happen, youre speaking about the chaos of the quantum mechanics and the human mind, but doesnt that really simply mean that we re not able to fully understand the system yet, or calculate it? even the human mind should be predictable if we were able to calculate all the circumstances and factors that could play a role, but thats impossible for us humans. that way the creation of mozart´s 9th symphony for example could originate from some guy´s tripping on a small stone 400 years before, to be a bit abstract. you can never foretell what kind of events could result from another one, because its simply impossible to calculate, but that doesnt mean it happens at random without any reason.
basing on the principles of causality and my own thoughts.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 08:15 Post subject: |
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Wait wait...in theory, a reaction can happen before the actual event right?
Therefore the reaction can be predicted, but not the cause...
I swear i read that somewhere, in some science book...it makes sense in a way, but at the sametime its fucked.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 08:20 Post subject: |
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nah i think what you mean is more newton´s theory - actio and reactio, that basically means that every force has a counter-force, for example in the orbit you have the centripetal force and also the centrifugal one.
maybe instead of calling it action and reaction up there i shouldve better said cause and effect, thats more clear.
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 08:22 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | nah i think what you mean is more newton´s theory - actio and reactio, that basically means that every force has a counter-force, for example in the orbit you have the centripetal force and also the centrifugal one.
maybe instead of calling it action and reaction up there i shouldve better said cause and effect, thats more clear. |
naw, its not that. Its something to do with time and shit. Like the theory of time viewing...supposedly, u can view a reaction before the event...fuck, i wish i could remember where i heard/read that 
I know Im prolly not explaining myself well, but fuck, lol I dont understand it myself. |
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| Posted: Tue, 29th Nov 2005 08:40 Post subject: |
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I wonder alot about this question (don't worry, I have a girl  ) and am still in limbo about the answer.
But no matter what answer I come to, religous, scientific or just plain crazy (astrology ), the single thing that is important, or remains constant in these therioes, is that there is no answer to explain it all away. No theory fits perfectly with everything else.
So really, it's all irrelevant. Do what's important to you and live a happy life. The truth is that their is no truth. You are the master of your own fate.
EDIT: On re-read that really doesn't make much sense, so let me put it this way:
If your boss fires you because Saturn is inline with Jupiter and it makes him less forgiving or he believes that you performed a sin unforgiveable under his religion, so what? Go get another job.
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