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 Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005 22:43 Post subject: Nexgen Consoles/PC Ports??? |
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With the nexgen consoles coming up, do you think PC games are going to be mostly Ports?
I think it’s a total reversal, instead of developing for the PC first were going see development for the Consoles first. Will this make problems in terms of bad interfaces, Controller to Mouse and keyboard problems and factor in TV/HD to PC Moniter.This could cause problems
Maybe now that the consoles are on Par or better than the PC In terms of GFX power it might not make a big difference in the GFX area.
What do you guys think? Is PC gaming going to get hurt by the nexgen consoles?
I know some genres won't be affected like RTS
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005 22:50 Post subject: |
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Well i think it's a sad thing to say but we need to invest money in a xbox 360. The only chance we have is that the next windows will have the new direct x and some new features which will make more easy for game companies to create games.
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005 22:59 Post subject: |
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i think "god damn shit fucking waste of pc components cash" then..
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005 23:02 Post subject: |
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well the last few years had loads of ports and I think it will continue this way I think, it's good that the next generation is coming so the gfx quality will be higher on PC too yes...
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005 23:10 Post subject: |
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| Kamikaze666 wrote: | | well the last few years had loads of ports and I think it will continue this way I think, it's good that the next generation is coming so the gfx quality will be higher on PC too yes... |
graphics graphics graphics, all i need improved is graphics.
come on, new gameplay, better sounds and systems, new ways of storytelling. Theres so many possibilities yet the only thing people focus on is graphics.
/goes away to play pacman 3d |
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005 23:17 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | Kamikaze666 wrote: | | well the last few years had loads of ports and I think it will continue this way I think, it's good that the next generation is coming so the gfx quality will be higher on PC too yes... |
graphics graphics graphics, all i need improved is graphics.
come on, new gameplay, better sounds and systems, new ways of storytelling. Theres so many possibilities yet the only thing people focus on is graphics.
/goes away to play pacman 3d |
I go by this
Storyline
Gamplay
GFX
That being said inorder to feel Immersed in a game GFX plays a huge role. |
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| Posted: Sun, 16th Oct 2005 23:40 Post subject: |
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Some games are better suited to PCs, and some to Consoles. It's always been that way.
I believe we'll see more PC/Console simultaneous releases, but not more ports from consoles.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 00:04 Post subject: |
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Think the xbox360 is designed and coded game wise for easier ports and less devolopment time between for windows vista and xbox360 using directX10 or Next .
If MS and its xbox was classed as a rank outsider console wise and looking at where it has come on the market with its xbox, look out Sony on the next round
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 00:22 Post subject: |
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I think your wrong and that the next gen consoles are as overhyped as the last "next gen consoles" where.
Emotion Engine anyone??
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 00:31 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | I think your wrong and that the next gen consoles are as overhyped as the last "next gen consoles" where.
Emotion Engine anyone?? |
Yeah. Consoles will rock...at first. After a year or two - goodbye PS3, you suck.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 00:31 Post subject: |
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Ports will continue to be made. But the truth is that most ports are crap and that simultaneous development of a PC/CONSOLE title usually ends up screwing the PC version - it gets dumbed down to CONSOLE level. Controller issues, texture memory, system memory and gameplay.
XBOX 360 will still bring controller issues and limited memory to the porting table. And in a year it will start falling behind standard PC configurations.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 00:45 Post subject: |
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| sexyjesus wrote: |
XBOX 360 will still bring controller issues and limited memory to the porting table. And in a year it will start falling behind standard PC configurations. |
a year haha lol simply put buy the new ge-force with sli and 4 gig ram and your pc will have better grafics then this new console
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 00:51 Post subject: |
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| sexyjesus wrote: | | . And in a year it will start falling behind standard PC configurations. |
Well look at the difference between Splinter Cell and Splinter cell CT the GFX looks amazing in the last game. Close to PC now..
My point is the devlopers get to know the hardware better on the consoles, so I say the PC will take alot longer to catch up. Whens the last time you heard of 3 cores running at 3.2 G for the PC. |
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 01:26 Post subject: |
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the problem with console games is that it would be hard for a small or 1 man team to release a game, what made the PC games what it is today is because there were always games that came out from small companies that did not belong to the mainstream and showed everyone something new or innovative. games based on things big companies like EA would never take a risk with. if the games soon will be released first on console in the future then we would see less and less innovative games, we will just see more halo clones and etc etc from big companies that doesn't want to take risks.
however i doubt that console will ever beat the pc in the long run, unlike the console, computer hardware can be updated anytime, yet consoles come out every 4 years, so maybe in the first year it will have better graphics than the comp, but the next 3 years PC would be ahead.
then comes the ability to mod things. Counter Strike was a mod to HL, currently it's wayy more popular than HL, the ability to mod gives people / dev teams with a very low or none budget a chance to create something good, i doubt if things like that will ever happen in the console side.
another thing that worries me is that both xbox 360 and ps3 are selling their console at a lower price than it's worth, they hope people will buy enough games to make them a profit. but in a few months within it's release people are mostly be able to mod their next-gen systems to play games for free like what they are doing now, this would hurt the sales of the systems and might make them loose alot of money.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 02:09 Post subject: |
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next gen consoles will come out.. they will be faster than PCS.. for all of 3 months.. then new pcs and gfx cards will come out... and continue to come out.. while the consoles can not upgrade.
Its simple.. it happens at every single new console release.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 02:34 Post subject: |
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| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | next gen consoles will come out.. they will be faster than PCS.. for all of 3 months.. then new pcs and gfx cards will come out... and continue to come out.. while the consoles can not upgrade.
Its simple.. it happens at every single new console release. |
Ya you'll spent all your money trying to keep up, mean while games are being developed for the consoles first...I think this is whats going to happen...and you'll be playing ported games on on your fast puter. I can't see PC games being developed first or just for the PC, this round of consoles is changing everything. Theres way more money to be made for the consoles |
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 05:38 Post subject: |
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| cybersurfer wrote: | | -=Cartoon=- wrote: | next gen consoles will come out.. they will be faster than PCS.. for all of 3 months.. then new pcs and gfx cards will come out... and continue to come out.. while the consoles can not upgrade.
Its simple.. it happens at every single new console release. |
Ya you'll spent all your money trying to keep up, mean while games are being developed for the consoles first...I think this is whats going to happen...and you'll be playing ported games on on your fast puter. I can't see PC games being developed first or just for the PC, this round of consoles is changing everything. Theres way more money to be made for the consoles |
oh niggz plz..
Thats just what people said for the nes.. the sega master system.. the snes.. the mega drive.. the n64... the dreamcast... the ps.. the ps2.. and the xbox..
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 06:05 Post subject: |
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Truthfully, if they could give me console games (and not just 1, a bunch) with the same degree of control I feel on my PC, I'd prefer them for the $$ reason.
But very very few games have supported keyboard and mouse on consoles, and only for silly things (Mario Paint) or chatting (Phantasy Star Online).
The XBox was ripe for this, as any USB keyboard and mouse could be easily adapted to work on it. I've made several of the adapters myself, to use with Linux. (And use the xbox controller on the pc.)
Edit: Oh, and I KNOW there have been adapters to let me play FPS's with kb and mouse on consoles. I mean real control, with more than a few buttons on the keyboard working.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 07:49 Post subject: |
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Hopefully, pc gaming wont die as in terms of overall scope, i think cpu's have far more potential than any console system...unless, maybe not nexgen but 2gens down the line, we are using a different form of computing - like u know how star trek doesnt use keyboard and mouse's and shit? well, not like star trek but some new form of computer to human interface devices...
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 08:09 Post subject: |
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Havent this been discussed like twelve times already..
Anyways things will be as usual (in chronological order):
1 Mega-hype about the games
2 Mega-hype about the graphics
3 The console is released (day 1)
4 The first games are released, hooray its crash bandicoot, tekken 23 and sing-along-all-star (day 2)
5 Every kid in town buys the console (day 3)
6 The gameplay is considered to be quite similar to the old consoles (day 20)
7 PC-magazines ensures PC-players that there is nothing to worry about (day 20)
8 Console gets modded (day 100)
9 PC-gamers buy the modded console (day 101)
10 Newly released PC-games show graphics that are on par or better than the console counterpart (day 200)
And that's it.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 08:54 Post subject: |
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IMO, the graphics on the XBOX 360 are good enough to provide an immersive experience.
Give me an XBOX 360 that I can use with my USB mouse and my USB keyboard, that I can hook up to my monitor, that I can run at 1024x768, and give me games on par in difficulty and story depth with PC games, that I can play the same way I'd play my PC games (adjustable options, controls, etc), and give me downloadable games I can stream to the 360 from my hard drive or transfer to the 360's hard drive, and I'll gladly switch to the $300 xbox 360 rather than spend $1000+ building a PC.
Then again, reality + experience says we'll only be able to play with shitty controllers in a boring environment on a tv with an 800x600 resolution. Life savings, here I come.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 21:18 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | | cybersurfer wrote: | I think being a Hardcore PC gamer has blind you guys on this issue...Even Halflife 3 is being devloped for the consoles...thats a major change right there...isn't it...now will you get a PC ver or a console ver of Halflife 3, things are changing for the PC world. Plus I think xbox live is changing the whole online gaming experence taking it a step or two above the PC.
Last I heard theres no PC that has 3 processers running at 3.2 g
heres a link about mouse and keyboard support for the PS3 and possably the xbox360
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3/news_6132546.html |
i think your blinded , why becoz think who rules the pc hmmm BILL GATES every game run on bill system {linux is a exeption} and they are rumors that new vindows vista will be a compatibile system to x-box , so that means no ports , just put a x-box game on your pc and presto it works {think about the posibilitis LOL pirated x-box game run on a pc} but think about the price , |
Thats all rumors, don't ya think there will be copy protection...I don't believe that you could run an xbox game on Vista...Microsoft isn't that stupid, there money whores  |
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 21:20 Post subject: |
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PC's are getting more and more advanced in terms of technology and possibilities, much moreso than Video Games consoles. Original PC games will be around for a long time, and will always be the home of the best FPS
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 21:25 Post subject: |
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| baardhimself wrote: | | PC's are getting more and more advanced in terms of technology and possibilities, much moreso than Video Games consoles. Original PC games will be around for a long time, and will always be the home of the best FPS |
I don't think so, in the future everything will be intergrated and games will be downloaded from the internet, PC's will be consoles and consoles will be PC's. Bill the money whore Gates said in the near future there will be know dvds or cds, everything downloaded. |
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 22:02 Post subject: |
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and the next day a airplane crashes in the microsoft firm  and every one will say ''ALL HAIL TO LINUX"
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 22:10 Post subject: |
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just because data will be downloaded rather than on storage doesnt mean systems will be integrated. The more seperate things there are the more the companies make, for instance I read in another post on NForce than Windows Vista would play XBox games, which is a load of rubbish. Most people have a PC, so why would they splash out $300 for a console when they can play the game on their PCs, doesnt make sense. You can already get digital television tuners for your PC, therefore eliminating the need for a TV set but you dont see people throwing their $1000 TVs in to use a $50 USB alternative.
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| Posted: Mon, 17th Oct 2005 22:50 Post subject: |
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| baardhimself wrote: | | just because data will be downloaded rather than on storage doesnt mean systems will be integrated. |
You don't understand Microsoft will own everything even your soul Muhahahaaaa cough choke cough mhaaaaaaaa |
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- anyway this only a rumor but seing that many games are made especialy for x-box 360 and not for the pc wonders me if thats the case , and other things are there will be realised 7 versions of Visa so wonders me whats will hapen to games when i have heard that dos/win3.1/win95/98 and other aplications will not work in the newer incarnation of windows 
