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SycoShaman
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I was watching this show on a local Toronto news channel (CP24 for you canucks). I cant remember what its called, but its on at like 1pm-2pm (or 12pm-2pm). Anyway, the host and the guest of the day discuss issues that concern Toronto - gun violence, drugs, politics etc etc
Anyway, today they were talking about the increase in homicides in Toronto over the last couple of years, especially this year and how it relates to guns and gun violence.
Some guy called in and went on and on about how we should want to progress to the way England is - cops dont "NEED" to carry guns.
So, my question is, how big of a problem is gun violence in England? I assume ppl get shot, robbed etc...maybe not as much as elsewhere, but it must go on. And, why dont the cops carry guns? I can see the statement it makes, but it really is a stupid move - you dont bring a billy stick to a shootout you know?
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arw
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 01:30 Post subject: |
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England probably has the biggest gun problem out of the all countries that make up the UK, as it has the biggest cities. We have virtually no gun crime where i live in Wales (next to England part of the UK - Get a map), its mostly a rare thing you see on tv once or month or so.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 01:57 Post subject: |
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Im sorry to inform you that the guy who called in is a retard, and so are you for believing him. Have a nice day.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 02:00 Post subject: |
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Police in manchester, london and a few other major cities have guns but hardly any of the public have them so it's not a problem at all really.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 02:40 Post subject: |
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The police don't use guns because this way the criminals don't feel the need to use guns. Of course, if a criminal is armed, the police will arm themselves too. But gun crime isn't very common at all.
In countries where guns are everywhere, criminals feel the need to arm themselves, because if they don't they won't laast long.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 02:42 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | The police don't use guns because this way the criminals don't feel the need to use guns. Of course, if a criminal is armed, the police will arm themselves too. But gun crime isn't very common at all.
In countries where guns are everywhere, criminals feel the need to arm themselves, because if they don't they won't laast long. |
Yea but a lot of police stations dont even have guns in their lockers. |
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 02:45 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | The police don't use guns because this way the criminals don't feel the need to use guns. Of course, if a criminal is armed, the police will arm themselves too. But gun crime isn't very common at all.
In countries where guns are everywhere, criminals feel the need to arm themselves, because if they don't they won't laast long. |
Yea but a lot of police stations dont even have guns in their lockers. |
Thats true, but they call in the specialists to deal with any gun problems. Which is what I meant with the "police will arm themselves" line.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 03:02 Post subject: |
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Yea but that's it, most counties have an armed response unit but they cover vast areas of the country so it's a case of getting lucky.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 03:04 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | Yea but that's it, most counties have an armed response unit but they cover vast areas of the country so it's a case of getting lucky. |
Getting lucky with what?
Gun crime is so rare outside of the big cities it's not a problem.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 04:38 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 04:55 Post subject: |
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Jebus! What the hells up with DC?
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 05:41 Post subject: |
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Small population (600K), lots of murders. Look like it's gotten a litle better ...
| Quote: | | During the violent crime wave of the early 1990s, Washington, D.C. was known as the murder capital of the United States. The number of homicides peaked in 1991 at 482, with violence declining drastically since then. Once plagued with violent crime, many D.C. neighborhoods, such as Columbia Heights, are becoming safe and vibrant areas as a result of gentrification. While not as intensely violent, crime hot spots have since displaced farther into the eastern sections of Washington, D.C. and across the border into Maryland. Although the eastern side of the city has developed a reputation for being unsafe, these crime hot spots are generally concentrated in very specific areas that are associated with drugs and gangs. Other areas east of the U.S. Capitol, as well as the city's wealthier Northwest neighborhoods, experience low levels of crime. Despite the declining trends, Washington D.C. crime rates (2004) remain among the highest of U.S. cities, behind only Camden, New Jersey, Detroit, Michigan, St. Louis, Missouri, and Gary, Indiana. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 05:58 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Sublime wrote: | | Yea but that's it, most counties have an armed response unit but they cover vast areas of the country so it's a case of getting lucky. |
Getting lucky with what?
Gun crime is so rare outside of the big cities it's not a problem. |
Rare but still existant. Getting lucky in the sense that you're not in a town / village miles and miles away from the nearest armed response unit. It'd take ages for them to arrive which by then is far too long even to give chase. |
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pancake
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 10:22 Post subject: |
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gun crime is quite minimal here but more and more people are starting to own guns illegally, i live in a real small town in the countryside and in the last year or so theres been 2 arrests for drugs and they were found to be carrying guns, one a sawn off shotgun the other just a pistol, which is quite something if you live were i do. so i imagine places like manchester birmingham and london to name a few there is quite a lot of guns floating about, but people still prefer to carry knifes or other things as you dont get in much trouble if your caught with that kind of thing
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I can't belive that Miami didn't make it on the list. It has the highest violent crime rate(for large cities) in the nation, the murder rate is lower, but i don't think its lower than 0.4. And what about Memphis?
The stats here contradict the chart from above: (data from 2002)
http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/crime3.aspx
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According to the above link New Orleans has the highest murder rate by far. Can't say i'm surprised, the city is really dangerous at night. I was always careful while visiting New Orleans at night.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 15:17 Post subject: |
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| r4iney wrote: | | deelix wrote: | In Skandinavia cops don't go around with automatic weapons. I was a little scared first time a saw a cop in Poland  |
Wrong, every danish cop wears a gun on duty. |
Not sure, but by automatic weapons, doesn't that mean machine guns etc?
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 16:11 Post subject: |
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| whoKnows wrote: | I can't belive that Miami didn't make it on the list. It has the highest violent crime rate(for large cities) in the nation, the murder rate is lower, but i don't think its lower than 0.4. And what about Memphis?
The stats here contradict the chart from above: (data from 2002)
http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/crime3.aspx
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According to the above link New Orleans has the highest murder rate by far. Can't say i'm surprised, the city is really dangerous at night. I was always careful while visiting New Orleans at night. |
I think that list is referring to murders involving guns.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 16:25 Post subject: |
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| whoKnows wrote: | I can't belive that Miami didn't make it on the list. It has the highest violent crime rate(for large cities) in the nation, the murder rate is lower, but i don't think its lower than 0.4. And what about Memphis?
The stats here contradict the chart from above: (data from 2002)
http://www.bestplaces.net/docs/studies/crime3.aspx
Edit:
According to the above link New Orleans has the highest murder rate by far. Can't say i'm surprised, the city is really dangerous at night. I was always careful while visiting New Orleans at night. |
I think that list was just a sample of cities. And I'm not sure why they left the worst off the list. Anyways, this one is more inclusive:
http://www.cjgsu.net/initiatives/HomRates-2004-06-03-Score.pdf
it puts N.Orleans at #1 for 2003, Miami at #14 and Memphis at #15.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 19:37 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Some guy called in and went on and on about how we should want to progress to the way England is - cops dont "NEED" to carry guns. |
Yes well England is an island and doesn't have the good ole USA as it's neighbour shoving illegal weapons her way.
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Jan 2006 19:50 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | Small population (600K), lots of murders. Look like it's gotten a litle better ...
| Quote: | | During the violent crime wave of the early 1990s, Washington, D.C. was known as the murder capital of the United States. The number of homicides peaked in 1991 at 482, with violence declining drastically since then. Once plagued with violent crime, many D.C. neighborhoods, such as Columbia Heights, are becoming safe and vibrant areas as a result of gentrification. While not as intensely violent, crime hot spots have since displaced farther into the eastern sections of Washington, D.C. and across the border into Maryland. Although the eastern side of the city has developed a reputation for being unsafe, these crime hot spots are generally concentrated in very specific areas that are associated with drugs and gangs. Other areas east of the U.S. Capitol, as well as the city's wealthier Northwest neighborhoods, experience low levels of crime. Despite the declining trends, Washington D.C. crime rates (2004) remain among the highest of U.S. cities, behind only Camden, New Jersey, Detroit, Michigan, St. Louis, Missouri, and Gary, Indiana. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C. |
Holy sh*t! I just got back from D.C. I had no idea.
As for the U.K., guns are extremely rare but have been on the increase. I blame the current gov. fo.r its 'wanting to be like America' policy.
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| deelix wrote: | Oslo is under stockholm 
and we got 150.000 pakistans in norway |
Crimes in Sweden has gon up alot with the amount of "refugees" and such other muliticultural blends!
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