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My bitch is the Canadian media lately. Most of them are either controlled by large corporations or extremely wealthy families and have an obvious conservative agenda. Just like the USA the media has become a tool for the conservative party.
When I turn on the television all I see are adverts for Harper and news stories about him. The only time the media covers the Liberals is to attack them. We have seen in just a matter of weeks the conservatives rising massively in the polls and it is obviously just because of the media.
People are "outraged" by alleged Liberal kickbacks. Guess what folks, the conservatives have done it too and Mulroney was infamous for it. You think the bigoted and hateful conservatives will be any better? What short term memory you have.
Canadians must remember that the conservative party has merged with the Reform party. A vote for conservatives is a vote for racism. It is a vote for intolerance. It is a vote for economic slavery. It is a vote for a pro-american war-mongering government.
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For real. The Conservaties are strickly mudslinging.
Did you guys watch the 2nd debate a few days ago? Martin raised the issue about Harper saying Canada is a second rate country and we should be like the US and Canada really doesnt have its own identity...it was great. That dumb fucker got put in his place. He's almost as bad as Duceppe
If the Conservatives get power, we're fucked, least for the next 4 years. And, wanna make a bet we will be joining in on Iraq or something along those lines?
Im voting Liberal
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I really want to give Jack Layton a try, The NDP can't screw the country any worse than the Liberals or Conservatives have.
But ....
I know Layton will never get enough votes to do anything, and all He will do is split the vote with the Liberals.
I'll vote Liberal just to keep Harper out of office.
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I totally agree NCogNeato. I have always been an NDP supporter but I think it is better to vote Liberal just to keep the conservatives out of power.
One thing that pisses me off about the NDP is that if they really cared about this country then they too would suggest this to their supporters. The NDP and Conservatives are supposed to be the polar opposite and the worse case scenario is conservatives in power.
How can anyone who lives in Ontario even think of voting Conservative after living through Mike Harris? How can anyone old enough to remember Brian Mulrooney or Preston Manning vote Conservative?
If Conservatives get control how long before we have troops dying in Iraq? How long before we have American missiles on Canadian soil? How long before we have our own Patriot Act? How long before we have the Church running things?
We are proudly Canadian...not American.
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| deelix wrote: | | Canada vs USA.... |
It has nothing to do with anything of that nature. I dont care if Harper said he thinks we should be like France, England, Russia, China, Spain etc etc The fact that he said Canada is a second rate country, to any country, is fuckin offensive and I dont want someone like that representing canada on the world stage. Fuck him and his retarded fuckin slicked, parted hair.
To those who are talking about supporting the NDP...why would you 1. waste your vote 2. vote for a party that is more inclined to side with the Conservatives
NDP can make all the promises it wants to, because they know they want be elected into office. They have no real plan, they just have one that sounds good on tv and has a catch phrase - "NDP The Better Choice". Even tho Layton tries to change it up when he's speaking, its all essentially the same. And Im sorry Layton doesnt have the Prime Minister Look to him.
I dont think the NDP would fuck up Canada as much as the Conservatives, but they would do more damage than the Liberals.
The Liberals may have some black spots on their record, but they know how to run a government. And like ive said, if they do get re-elected, they are going to be under the microscope from everyone. They aren't going to be conducting anymore more illegal activities, least imo.
What the Liberals need is a new front man. Martin (like Harper and Layton) lacks the Prime Minister image.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Jan 2006 11:49 Post subject: |
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| Code: | The fact that he said Canada is a second rate country, to any country, is fuckin offensive and I dont want someone like that representing canada on the world stage.
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A patriot is politicians' pawn.
Canadians are pretty dumb ass.
Brian Mulroney was mostly hated cause he raised tax, yet Canadians want good health care which require citizens to pay higher tax. So it seems Canadians want better health care but don't want to pay for it. Hmmm.... |
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| vodkaLord wrote: | | Code: | The fact that he said Canada is a second rate country, to any country, is fuckin offensive and I dont want someone like that representing canada on the world stage.
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A patriot is politicians' pawn.
Canadians are pretty dumb ass.
Brian Mulroney was mostly hated cause he raised tax, yet Canadians want good health care which require citizens to pay higher tax. So it seems Canadians want better health care but don't want to pay for it. Hmmm.... |
Brian Mulroney was a fuckin idiot and no, canadians arent stupid...seriously, if u have nothing to say or dont have any useful comments on the election, why bother coming in here?
Maybe I should start whining about all the Canadian bashing....like the americans, well, some of the americans on here do...seriously. |
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lol
I don`t know shit about canadian politics... so please syco - explain to me why Brian Mulroney was a fuckin idiot...
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| AwE wrote: | lol
I don`t know shit about canadian politics... so please syco - explain to me why Brian Mulroney was a fuckin idiot... |
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Jan 2006 04:22 Post subject: |
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| NCogNeato wrote: | | AwE wrote: | lol
I don`t know shit about canadian politics... so please syco - explain to me why Brian Mulroney was a fuckin idiot... |
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exactly...look him up, way to tired to get into current politics right now, never mind shit from years ago  |
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GST is a tax, it made Canada's good health care possible. Yet, canadian want to keep the good health care, but don't want to pay the tax.
go figure, Canadians are seriously retarded. Canadians are dumb as beavers.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Jan 2006 07:19 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | To those who are talking about supporting the NDP...why would you 1. waste your vote 2. vote for a party that is more inclined to side with the Conservatives
NDP can make all the promises it wants to, because they know they want be elected into office. They have no real plan, they just have one that sounds good on tv and has a catch phrase - "NDP The Better Choice". Even tho Layton tries to change it up when he's speaking, its all essentially the same. And Im sorry Layton doesnt have the Prime Minister Look to him.
I dont think the NDP would fuck up Canada as much as the Conservatives, but they would do more damage than the Liberals.
The Liberals may have some black spots on their record, but they know how to run a government. And like ive said, if they do get re-elected, they are going to be under the microscope from everyone. They aren't going to be conducting anymore more illegal activities, least imo.
What the Liberals need is a new front man. Martin (like Harper and Layton) lacks the Prime Minister image. |
gah ... paul martin is crap.
I don't understand how you can say the NDP is inclined to side with the conservatives.
ndp = leftist
liberals = centrist, although they used to be left-leaning centrists
conservatives = rightist
if anything, liberals and the ndp are natural allies. gilles duceppe said it best in the last english language debate -- paul martin sounds like the NDP before the election, but acts like a conservative once elected.
please, read the issues before you respond. I hate to tell you this, but at the very least the conservatives will win a minority government. it will be the NDP who will be able to offset any destructive changes they have in mind.
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/leadersparties/issues.html
there are more than two political parties in canada. get used to minority governments and coalitions, especially since we're eventually going to end up with some kind of proportional representation system of government, which would make minority govts much more likely. if you're interested about the changes our electoral system needs, I suggest you check out:
http://www.fairvotecanada.org/fvc/AboutFairVoting
We've had 12 years of liberal government not investing in the social programs we rely on ... and instead of doing anything about it, the entire conservative platform is tax cuts
| Quote: | The Conservative platform calls for more than $58 billion in tax cuts, or
approximately 89% of the spending in their platform (source: cbc.ca). |
anyways, the NDP has accomplished more in a year and a half with 18 seats in parliament (/308) than the conservatives have in 12 years as the official opposition with 5-6 times as many seats (most of which was the 2005 budget amendment that spent 4.6 billion dollars on people instead of corporate tax cuts, which paul martin has put back in the budget).
VOTE NDP! The liberals are dead in the water. 
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@nouse
Dont base your opinions of the NDP on that one recent debate. The NDP and the Conservatives may be on different ends of the spectrum, but the NDP has said that it supports various conservative ideas. And like I said, they will never get elected till they start actually presenting a platform and such for country. Rather than saying the opposite of the Liberals and Conservatives - whatever isnt working for the 2 main parties, they of course go against that and try to win votes. They can say anything they want, they will never get elected.
And dude, dont quote that traitor bastard Duceppe, its like bush quoting Bin laden...your a Canadian and that motherfucker wants to fuck this country up, best to completely dismiss his dumb fuckin ass...
I seriously hate Duceppe.
Did u watch the last debate? See how at one point he says he wants all control of the cities/municipalities in quebec to go to the Province and also, he said that the cities should have to pay less toward yearly costs and such, as well as the province, but the federal government has to make up the difference. 50% Fed, 35% Provincial and 15% municipal.
Then, 5 mintues later, he goes on about quebec should be given the respect as its an independent nation blah blah blah. Motherfucker wants Quebec to break off yet he wants the rest of Canada to keep funneling money to support them....the man is crazy, worse than Bush...like 10 Bush's and a few Bin ladens, all in one.
Where is that Rondo Thomas guy running? Cant be around Toronto or any urban centre.
And yep, the Conservatives are basically Canadian Republicans....I seriously hope the majority see through their bullshit and dont vote them in.
Your prolly right when u say we are going to have a minority conservative government, but still, Im hoping Canadians wont be as stupid as that. The Conservatives dont benefit a country like ours.
Especially with that God Bless Canada bullshit. Dont get me wrong, i hope god does "bless" canada, but I dont want to hear someone who may represent my country spewing that sort of bullshit on the world stage.
And like that quote pointed out, we canadians arent like the americans, in the sense that we really like to keep church and state far apart. The American system works well for them, but not for our culture and our beliefs.
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| SycoShaman wrote: | @nouse
Dont base your opinions of the NDP on that one recent debate. The NDP and the Conservatives may be on different ends of the spectrum, but the NDP has said that it supports various conservative ideas. And like I said, they will never get elected till they start actually presenting a platform and such for country. Rather than saying the opposite of the Liberals and Conservatives - whatever isnt working for the 2 main parties, they of course go against that and try to win votes. They can say anything they want, they will never get elected.
And dude, dont quote that traitor bastard Duceppe, its like bush quoting Bin laden...your a Canadian and that motherfucker wants to fuck this country up, best to completely dismiss his dumb fuckin ass...
I seriously hate Duceppe.
Did u watch the last debate? See how at one point he says he wants all control of the cities/municipalities in quebec to go to the Province and also, he said that the cities should have to pay less toward yearly costs and such, as well as the province, but the federal government has to make up the difference. 50% Fed, 35% Provincial and 15% municipal.
Then, 5 mintues later, he goes on about quebec should be given the respect as its an independent nation blah blah blah. Motherfucker wants Quebec to break off yet he wants the rest of Canada to keep funneling money to support them....the man is crazy, worse than Bush...like 10 Bush's and a few Bin ladens, all in one.
Where is that Rondo Thomas guy running? Cant be around Toronto or any urban centre.
And yep, the Conservatives are basically Canadian Republicans....I seriously hope the majority see through their bullshit and dont vote them in.
Your prolly right when u say we are going to have a minority conservative government, but still, Im hoping Canadians wont be as stupid as that. The Conservatives dont benefit a country like ours.
Especially with that God Bless Canada bullshit. Dont get me wrong, i hope god does "bless" canada, but I dont want to hear someone who may represent my country spewing that sort of bullshit on the world stage.
And like that quote pointed out, we canadians arent like the americans, in the sense that we really like to keep church and state far apart. The American system works well for them, but not for our culture and our beliefs. |
First, I don't base my support of the NDP on that debate, rather on the issues I've found important since I've been old enough to vote and care about politics. When I lived at home and went to school, I supported the libs when it was an obvious 2 party race (which it is in the suburbs).
For the record, this is what a liberal looks like:
This is not someone with true liberal values:
There's something you're missing here. The NDP said they will support a conservative minority only if they have common ground. We don't elect politicians to merely fight and argue with one another, but also to do the job they're paid to do. But again, if you look at that CBC webpage that talks about the issues, they really don't have much common ground to work with. THE ONLY common ground is adding new ethics legislation, and possible electoral reform -- both of which we need badly. Would you rather see a conservative minority sit on their thumbs for a couple of years and do nothing?
That Rondo Thomas guy is in Pickering ie right beside Toronto. He is one of many nut jobs the conservatives have been keeping quiet this election. People from the suburbs (you know, those people who don't have to step over homeless people everyday) hear 'tax cuts!' and they're sold. They'll vote for this lunatic and have no idea what kind of bigot scum they're voting in.
About Duceppe... I can't see how you compare him to Bush or Bin Laden. Yes, the party's guiding principle is Quebec first, but they're also a left-wing party as well. In the end, they're still better than conservatives based on political ideology alone.
Anyways, I've already voted in an advanced poll today. It's actually kind of cool to get to vote for a party leader instead of just some random MP (I live in Toronto-Danforth riding, which is Layton's).
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@syco, I just noticed that the NDP is running a woman candidate from Trinidad in your riding, if you felt like supporting someone else -- you know, perhaps someone you can identify with instead of the liberal candidate.
http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/riding/213
also about where you live/vote, although I'm sure you know/live most of this:
| Quote: | This northwest Toronto riding has an immigrant population of 61 per cent – the third highest in Canada. Almost 18 per cent listed Italian as their ethnic origin, and there are large Jamaican and East Indian communities.
The riding stretches from Highway 401 in the south to Steeles Avenue West in the north between the Humber River in the west and Keele Street, Grandravine Drive, Black Creek, Sheppard Avenue West and Jane Street in the east.
Manufacturing is the main industry sector and the riding contains a large number of light furniture and cabinet-making companies. Renters outnumber homeowners, and the riding includes bungalows and two-storey dwellings beside high-rises, many of them public housing. Average family income is $45,924, the lowest in the province, and unemployment is 8.8 per cent. More than 15 per cent have less than Grade 9 education, the second highest in the province. |
I hate to tell you, but you're voting for a safe choicel. No way is this neighbourhood going any way but liberal, but you can see that from the 2004 election (the liberals have won yor neighbourhood since 1962!):
Rest assured, the policies of the NDP are quite favourable to your riding 
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Judy Sgro?
Didn't she get kicked out of Caucus?
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Damn nouse, I didnt know all that. Thanks for the info
seriously, not sarcastically.
Meh, Im a liberal man...maybe in 2010, if the ndp can present a better plan for the country, I'll vote for em, but this time, im liberal.
To be honest, I dont know who the candidates are in my area, local politics dont interest me, always some next bullshit, i like to think bigger...even tho that may not be the best way to go about things, its the way i do still
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Thanks .... I didn't know that either. Glad it worked out.
As for my area, we just lost our Conservative candidate. Stupid git tried to smuggle shit across the border.
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| NCogNeato wrote: | Thanks .... I didn't know that either. Glad it worked out.
As for my area, we just lost our Conservative candidate. Stupid git tried to smuggle shit across the border. |
haha, wasnt that guy on the news? I cant remember his area but i think I saw something about that on CityTv, you know, the news at 6pm and 11pm |
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I found a good story that you all might like  Read about this guy, and also remember. Pat Robertson may be crazy, but he's not a member of the government. the suburbs might vote this guy in 
It's from NOW magazine in Toronto, which coincidentally one of my good friends parents started ~25 years ago and publishes a weekly ....
Bus warns MPs they'll be punished by God and voters if they OK gay marriage.
Photo By Albert Nerenberg[/b][/i]
| Quote: | Hell on wheels
Defend Marriage bus out to save civilization, but where are the riders?
BY Albert Nerenberg 2005-03-03
I'd heard tales of the coming of the Defend Marriage bus, a motorized supercoach thundering its way across the country to save civilization. I want to ride that bus.
Shooting a film that deals with the subject, we finally have something to photograph. Full-page newspaper ads raging in the Sun, National Post and other papers seem to indicate that this suddenly materialized mass movement is big enough to affect the rotation of the planet.
"Disaster! Suicide! Pedophilia!" One screams, "Our greatest Canadian treasure is about to be dumped into the garbage can of history!"
This is Canada speaking, finally, with some help from busloads of dollars pouring in from Christian groups in the United States. The magic bus's mission: target individual MPs and let them know, with a bus in the face, that they will be punished both by God and the voters if they vote for ending civilization.
First target: Judy Sgro, former immigration minister. Sgro's office looks out onto a monstrous hydro-electric array. While there's plenty of electricity, where's the bus? A no-show!
When all hope seems lost, a gaunt, white-haired, American-style preacher, Dr. Rondo Thomas, who teaches at Canada Christian College, steps forward and speaks like he's talking to thousands, though there's only 25. The bus is apparently having problems with its air brakes, he explains.
A ripple of fear goes through the crowd. "I've been told there will be a counter-protest at the next stop. And it could turn violent," he bellows across the barren parking lot. "The police have asked us to kindly cancel our rally. Not a chance!" says Thomas defiantly. "This is war. And we need every soldier showing up for duty."
Then Thomas jumps into his black Lincoln Continental and takes off for the big demo. We follow. Twenty minutes later, we're at Immigration Minister Joe Volpe's office, across from the fab Lawrence Plaza shopping mall.
Thomas isn't kidding. The mounted horse unit is here, squadrons of yellow-jacket bike cops and dozens of uniformed police. Then I see the bus. Obviously, the brakes have been fixed, or maybe not. It floats down the street with its oddly windblown maple leaf insignia and the slogan "Defend Marriage" emblazoned on its side like a righteous brand on a sodomite's forehead. It magically comes to a stop. A stage and a red pulpit are pulled out of its guts and quickly erected.
Suddenly, in the distance, I hear the other demo. The words of Dr. Rondo Thomas ring in my ears. "This is war. We are engaging the enemy today." And there they are, about 150 activists bearing down on us. But who are they? Well, actually – OCAP, coincidentally onsite protesting for immigrant rights. The group marches past the Defend Marriage bus, looking bewildered. With OCAP gone, it's time to kick some sodomite butt.
Charles McVety, traditional marriage's grand fromage, steps up to the podium. The only thing standing between the world and the impending end of life as we know it: 19 people, if you include the guy setting up equipment. They've cancelled the demo, McVety says, because they didn't want trouble, but came anyway in case their people showed up. Some of the reporters look confused. And it's strange that the the protest could have been "cancelled" when it was still advertised on Defend Marriage's website days later. Hmmm.
As for the bus, at least it's packed full of believers. Or so I assumed. But one of our shooters slips on to take a picture. Its absolute emptiness speaks volumes. No one, it seems, rides this magic bus |
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Ok......so, some religious fanatic tried to put on a show to get some attention and tried to fake having followers...? least at the end of the demo...
and this is in Canada? Ontario too? man...I knew we had crazy ppl in Toronto but this fuckin guy takes the cake. He's crazy enough to lead the Bloc
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Well ... the election is tomorrow so go out and vote ... strategic voting sucks ... this article spells out how if you vote against harper, what you really do is put him in power. If people didn't vote this way last time the liberals and ndp would have a stable coalition right now.
| Quote: | NDP's Layton wants Liberal votes
Jan. 22, 2006. 01:00 AM
KENNETH KIDD
Eighteen months may have passed since the last federal election, but the foul taste lingers in the mouth of NDP strategist Jamey Heath. The number 12 just keeps coming up, the number of seats that got away.
In every one of those ridings, the NDP finished second by fewer than 1,000 votes — potential victories snatched away as panicked voters flocked to the Liberals on the final weekend, lest the Conservatives form a government. "Out of those 12," says Heath, "we lost seven of them to the Conservatives. Oshawa was one, there were three in Saskatchewan and three in British Columbia."
Rewrite that bit of history, and the New Democratic Party might now be holding the balance of power in Ottawa with 31 seats instead of the 19 it actually won. And you, dear voter, probably wouldn't be trudging to the polls tomorrow to cast your ballot.
If elections are like wars, its veteran generals are no different from the military kind. Which means they start the hostilities by re-fighting the last battle, the one they think taught them such valuable lessons.
What you end up with, this time around, is NDP Leader Jack Layton fairly begging New Democrats to stick with the home side — and reaching out to disaffected Liberals to vote NDP rather than sit on their hands. "Voting Liberal in this election campaign is like stowing away on the Titanic," says Heath. "They're losing. There's no other way to describe it."
Will the Layton strategy work?
Maybe. But here's what makes it so beguiling to some New Democrats: It wouldn't take a lot of votes to give the party its long-cherished breakthrough on the road to replacing the Liberals as an alternative to the Conservatives. Unlike the other parties, the NDP doesn't need a huge jump in the popular vote before it starts raining MPs.
That's because NDP support tends to be concentrated in parts of Ontario, a swath of British Columbia, and chunks of Saskatchewan and Manitoba. Or, as Heath puts it: "If you want to vote NDP, chances are really good that your neighbours do, too."
And the NDP's election-day machinery has always been far more efficient than its rivals in shepherding identified supporters to the voting booth.
"That's what the NDP does," says Heather MacIvor, associate professor of political science at University of Windsor. "They're extremely good on e-day.
"If they go up five points (from the last election), it's not going to be some phantom jump. They're going to find those people and they're going to get them out to vote."
In the last election, for instance, 15.7 per cent of the popular vote translated into just 19 seats for the NDP. But in the 1988 election — the party's high-water mark — winning 20.4 per cent of the popular vote garnered 43 seats, at a time when the Liberals netted almost 32 per cent of the vote, far more than they're apt to get this time
So when Layton's New Democrats get ready for bed tonight, you can forgive them for doing a little dream-catcher exercise.
It goes like this: The Conservatives, though still out front, slip in the polls to something like 34 per cent on election day, and the Liberals fail to gain, sticking at 26 per cent. And the NDP? Well, if Layton's strategy works, the New Democrats clock in between 19 and 22 per cent.
Punch those sorts of numbers into one of those come-hither election predictors on the Internet, and you suddenly end up with a handful of NDP seats in Toronto: Beaches-East York, Toronto-Danforth, Trinity-Spadina, Parkdale-High Park, and possibly Davenport.
For New Democrats, the picture gets even dreamier once you look at how those numbers translate across the country. The Conservatives would end up with a minority government of 134 or so seats, followed by the Bloc with around 67. And the NDP and Liberals? In a dead heat, each with 50-something seats. That would put the New Democrats tantalizingly close to doing what the Labour party did in Britain in the 1930s: supplant the Liberals as the natural alternative to the Conservatives.
"That's what they want above all else," says Henry Jacek, political science professor at McMaster University. "They've spent 50 years trying to figure out how to do that." |
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