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SycoShaman
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ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico – Take one part high-frequency gravitational wave generation, then add in a quantum vacuum field.
Now whip wildly via a gravitomagnetic force in a rotating superconductor while standing by for Alcubierre warp drive in higher dimensional space-time.
So you're looking for the latest in faster-than-light interstellar travel via traversable wormholes? That's one theme among many discussed at Space Technology & Applications International Forum (STAIF), a meeting held here Feb. 12-16 that brought together more than 600 experts to thrash out a range of space exploration issues.
Along with the run-of-the-mill space debates of the day, STAIF has also become a respected venue for researchers that dabble in the exotic, the thought-provoking novel, or the downright weird anomaly.
What's the attraction?
"We're hoping that nature has left a door open," said John Brandenburg of the Florida Space Institute in Orlando, Florida. "If we just find the right door ... we're trying every door knob. One of these days we'll find an open door."
Brandenburg gave a status report on his research into Gravity-Electro-Magnetism (GEM) unification theory. His motivation to poke around in this kind of arena is driven in part by maybe snagging a Nobel Prize, he said, but added: "We not only want to see this stuff…we want to ride in it."
For the most part, the search for breakthroughs in space power and propulsion is akin to walking along the beach, hoping to find that doubloon—a gold coin—gleaming in the Sun, Brandenburg told SPACE.com. "By the way," he said, "I live in Florida ... and that happens occasionally. So we're trying to get lucky."
Finding a pony in the pile
There is no doubt that anybody delving into warp drives and wormhole travel should expect a bit of a skeptical eye from others in certain scientific circles. Getting a hearing for the out-of-the-ordinary inspiration is tough.
"We've got to think about everything possible that there is to think about," said Eric Davis of the Austin, Texas-based Institute for Advanced Studies. "We have got to turn over every stone," he said, "and look into the future to find out what's waiting for us. What can physics do ... where should physics be going?"
To help explore that question, a forum is a legitimate place to present new thinking.
"Otherwise, we may never find it," said Dana Andrews, chief technical officer for Andrews Space in Seattle, Washington. He was an early advocate for having STAIF become a watering hole for challenging, non-traditional proposals.
The outlook that all physics has been discovered doesn't resonate well with Andrews. "I'm of the opinion that things like dark matter, dark energy, vacuum point energy…there might be a pony in that pile. And unless we invite people to think outside the box, we may never find the pony."
Blitzkrieg of equations
As example, a new exact solution of Albert Einstein's 90-year-old gravitational field equation was offered at STAIF by physicist Frank Felber, Vice President and co-founder of Starmark, Inc., based in San Diego, California.
And after you follow a blitzkrieg of his equations, Felber predicted that space travel near the speed of light is attainable—and not too far off in the future.
"I believe this new solution represents a major advance for space propulsion, in that it addresses the major engineering challenges of providing enormous energy to a payload quickly with negligible stresses," Felber later told SPACE.com.
Although all such projections are inherently risky, Felber explained, he figures that the first mission to accelerate a massive payload to "a good fraction" —meaning 10 percent or more—of the speed of light might be launched before the end of this century.
"The solution also offers immediate opportunities over the next couple of years to test Einstein's theory of gravity rigorously in the regime of relativistic speeds, where it has never before been tested," Felber noted. At less than one percent of the cost of space experiments -- like the recently completed Gravity Probe B mission—laboratory experiments can be conducted to demonstrate "antigravity" and test Einstein's theory, he said.
From rest to relativistic speeds
Felber's solution of Einstein's gravitational field equation is the first to calculate the changing gravitational field of a mass moving near the speed of light.
"I wasn't looking for antigravity or a means of propulsion ... and I wasn't looking ‘to push the boundaries,'" Felber said. Instead, he was looking for a way to relate inertial forces to the gravity of distant mass in the Universe.
"In order to do this, I figured I needed to know the gravitational field of relativistic mass, since most of the mass in the Universe is moving away from us at relativistic speeds," Felber explained.
His analysis found that a mass moving faster than 57.7 percent of the speed of light will gravitationally repel other masses lying within a narrow "antigravity beam" in front of it. The closer a mass gets to the speed of light, the stronger this antigravity beam becomes. Thus, the forward antigravity field of a suitably heavy and fast mass might be used to propel a payload from rest to relativistic speeds, Felber explained.
Room for surprises
A healthy dose of skepticism is key, said John Cole, formerly in the Advanced Space Transportation Project Office at the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.
Cole worked over the past several years in the Propulsion Research Center at Marshall supporting several advanced propulsion concepts and experiments, and is now reassigned to support work for NASA's Crew Launch Vehicle.
Regarding new propulsion ideas, Cole added that there's room for surprises. He said that novel concepts presented at STAIF are the by-products of people wanting to help move humans beyond the Earth's environment out into the solar system.
"If we ever want to get to the stars…we can't do that with chemistry," Cole told SPACE.com.
Similarly, there are also drawbacks to nuclear systems, even fusion concepts, Cole said, for pushing humanity outward toward the stars. "If you are going to do that in a reasonable amount of time, something exotic has got to be found," he advised.
Not enough signal in the noise
Cole said that those at STAIF presenting exotic ideas are racking their brains…finding "little niches or peculiarities" in the hopes of insight and possible breakthrough. "But they are advocates…so it's hard not to drink your own bathwater."
Scientific rigor is important, Cole said, and repeatable experiments must rule the day.
"Right now, there's not enough signal in the noise to be convinced that there's anything there. One has to be strongly skeptical of all these kind of things," Cole said. "But you have got to be open-minded too. Maybe somebody will find something. But if they do, it has got to be solid."
No stranger to ground-breaking ideas is Bob Cassanova, Director of the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC) in Atlanta, Georgia. NIAC is steadfast in its search for revolutionary aeronautics and space concepts that could dramatically impact how NASA develops and conducts its missions.
One new NIAC-supported concept, for instance, is building large, massive structures in space simply by using radio waves that create force fields to move materials and assemble them into various structures.
"It's important for people to get together and expose their ideas to the scientific community ... and get back credible feedback," Cassanova said. While he didn't experience any "ah-ha" revelatory moments at STAIF, brainstorming and open discussion is key, he said, to help flesh out a sound idea from speculation.
But Cassanova cautions: "Just because you can write an equation that describes something ... doesn't mean that such an equation describes the real physics that are going on."
Cassanova noted that a number of the STAIF-presented concepts have not been confirmed experimentally. In some cases, requisite power and massive pieces of equipment, as well as adequate funding are unavailable to researchers in order for them to carry out a cutting-edge experiment.
Oomph and might
NASA's own Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project was axed in late 2002.
That fact ties into the NASA of today that has slid back to heritage technologies, observed Davis of the Institute for Advanced Studies. The ability to put some "oomph and might" into expanding humankind's presence into the solar system has been "thoroughly destroyed by this heritage concept."
"We can pick ourselves up off the ground and start using advanced, high-efficiency, high-powered, high-speed propulsion," Davis said, "to make access to space much more effective and much easier to do."
Be it laser beam propulsion, gravity modification, extracting energy from a vacuum, or traversable worm holes and warp drives—these and other concepts deserve attention, Davis said.
"It's important," Davis concluded, "because the future is everything."
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How hard was it to cut and paste the article? really. ctrl c ppl....
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Mar 2006 23:44 Post subject: |
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Well sometimes sites can be sued for posting whole articles.
http://chillingeffects.org/fairuse/faq.cgi#QID540
Question: Can I copy an entire news article from a commercial news web site and post the article on my web site?
Answer: The fair use doctrine, as currently interpreted by the courts, probably would not entitle you to do so. Even though news items are factual and facts themselves are not protected by copyright, an entire news article itself is expression protected by copyright.
A court would apply the four factor fair use analysis to determine whether such a use is fair. In Los Angeles Times v. Free Republic, the court found that such a use was minimally -- or not at all -- transformative, since the article ultimately served the same purpose as the original copyrighted work. The initial posting of the article was a verbatim copy of the original with no added commentary or criticism and therefore did not transform the work at all. Although it is often a fair use to copy excerpts of a copyrighted work for the purpose of criticism or commentary, the copying may not exceed the extent necessary to serve that purpose. In this case, the court found that only a summary and not a complete verbatim copy of the work was necessary for the purpose of commentary and criticism.
The court also found that although the website solicited donations and advertised the services of another website, the overall nature of the website was non-commercial and benefited the public by promoting discussion of the issues presented in the articles on the website. However, the court found that the nontransformative character of the copying outweighed the consideration of its minimally commercial nature.
Finally, and most importantly, the court found that posting entire news articles on the website had an adverse market effect on the copyright owners.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 00:13 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: | Well sometimes sites can be sued for posting whole articles.
http://chillingeffects.org/fairuse/faq.cgi#QID540
Question: Can I copy an entire news article from a commercial news web site and post the article on my web site?
Answer: The fair use doctrine, as currently interpreted by the courts, probably would not entitle you to do so. Even though news items are factual and facts themselves are not protected by copyright, an entire news article itself is expression protected by copyright.
A court would apply the four factor fair use analysis to determine whether such a use is fair. In Los Angeles Times v. Free Republic, the court found that such a use was minimally -- or not at all -- transformative, since the article ultimately served the same purpose as the original copyrighted work. The initial posting of the article was a verbatim copy of the original with no added commentary or criticism and therefore did not transform the work at all. Although it is often a fair use to copy excerpts of a copyrighted work for the purpose of criticism or commentary, the copying may not exceed the extent necessary to serve that purpose. In this case, the court found that only a summary and not a complete verbatim copy of the work was necessary for the purpose of commentary and criticism.
The court also found that although the website solicited donations and advertised the services of another website, the overall nature of the website was non-commercial and benefited the public by promoting discussion of the issues presented in the articles on the website. However, the court found that the nontransformative character of the copying outweighed the consideration of its minimally commercial nature.
Finally, and most importantly, the court found that posting entire news articles on the website had an adverse market effect on the copyright owners. |
Dude, as long as you provide a link to the source and dont claim it to be your own work and give cred where cred is due, its no problem and its a form of advertising, for free to boot....
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 02:16 Post subject: |
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While i was looking for that little copy and paste thing i came across something about the AP threatening a site because they had pasted a excerpt of a article on their board.
Associated Press
February 04, 2005
Webmaster
Stormfront.org
PO Box 6637
West Palm Beach, FL 33405
Re: Unlicensed Use of AP Content
It has come to our attention that you are using The Associated Press proprietary content without permission on your Internet site located at the Universal Resource Locator address of http: //www.stormfront.org. This content is copyrighted by AP, and cannot be republished on the World Wide Web or elsewhere without the express, written consent of AP. Your use is a violation of AP’s rights and AP demands that you immediately cease and desist all further use of AP’s rights. Similarly, using framing or inline links to display AP content on your site violates AP’s right of public display. Furthermore, use of information contained in AP reports may constitute competition with, and misappropriation of, AP’s investment in gathering, editing and disseminating the news. Therefore, any use of AP content on your internet site, whether verbatim, rewritten or simply as a source for information contained in another story, can infringe
AP’s copyright, and other legal rights. Finally, because the Copyright is a “strict liability” stature, you do not need to know the work is protected to violate the copyright. Even if an AP news story is not credited to AP, copyright liability attaches to its unlicensed use.
AP demands that you remove any and all AP content from your internet site, including any archives, as well as from any site you control that does not have and AP license, that you cease and desist all use of AP copy – whether verbatim or rewritten – as well as all use of the facts contained in AP material, and that you confirm for me that you have done so within fifteen days from the date of this letter.
AP reserves all rights with regard to your activity and waives no right in law or equity by providing you with this letter.
Sincerely,
George Galt
Director, Business Affairs
then heres something about APthreatening action against someone because they used a picture in a web comedy
http://www.artscope.net/NEWS/news050200-8.shtml
AP THREATENS LEGAL ACTION AGAINST WEB PARODY WHICH USES ELIAN SEIZURE PHOTO
Last week the Associated Press, (AP) which holds the copyright to the photograph by freelancer Alan Diaz of an armed agent about to seize Elian Gonzalez, threatened legal action against Chris Lathrop, a senior copywriter at Playboy.com, and Sean Bonner, a Playboy.com web designer, who in their off hours collaborated on a web video which spliced together the audio from the Budweiser "Whassup?" commercial and a series of photos from the Elian Gonzalez raid.
Bonner put the resulting video STORMTROOPER TRUE on the Geocities server because he was afraid the traffic would crash his server, according to Playboy.com. It logged about 800,000 hits and had been mirrored all around the Internet before, in response to the letter from the AP, Bonner and Lathrop took it down from their site. They replaced it with the complete text of the letter sent by AP official David Tomlin.
"You are exposing yourself to liability for copyright infringement that can include both fines and possible criminal penalties," Tomlin wrote. "We'll go for whatever it takes to get our material out of your hands. Please acknowledge immediately that you understand and are taking down the display of AP pictures at the address above."
"We don't want to deface anything from the AP," Playboy.com quotes Lathrop as saying, "so we included it exactly as it was."
"....as it stands right now we are not going to be putting the video back live on this site," Bonner and Lathrop wrote on their Stormtrooper True website. If AP tells us it's OK, then it will be back up in a second but for now the threat of being sued, fined, imprisoned, set on fire, yelled at, spit on, kicked in the shins or what ever else their lawyers could do to us in the blink of an eye is too scary for us."
Tomlin told Playboy.com that "we're [the AP] like anyone with intellectual property interests on the Internet. This is the first instance in which the infringer has put the cease-and-desist note on the web, and the reaction has been breathtaking. Many hostile messages, some threatening ones, but a number have raised issues of free expression that I think are arguable. In this particular case we might have been wiser to have taken a more thoughtful, less heavy-handed approach. It's been a learning experience."
Sources/resources:
Maribeth Bruno
"Whassup? Elian Parody Steams the AP"
PLAYBOY.COM -- http://www.playboy.com/digital/inthenews.html
April 27, 2000
STORMTROOPER TRUE WEB SITE -- http://www.geocities.com/elian_true/
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 03:02 Post subject: |
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So I guess we should stop posting news?...
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 03:33 Post subject: |
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Just dont post the whole article, thats why in the news section i never post whole articles.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 09:48 Post subject: |
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Plus, if the person is interested I guess they will click the link anyway. Posting the beginning of the article is a good way for people to find out if they're interested though.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 14:34 Post subject: |
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Waste of forumspace?
Well, guess it dosn't matter..
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 15:32 Post subject: |
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And whats the point of the original article about "Hyperdrive"?
I'm so lazy to read.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Mar 2006 01:45 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | Yeah, at least some of the article needs posting.
Far to many times you can tell someone couldn't be arsed to follow the link and is blathering on without a clue ...  |
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