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 Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 18:15 Post subject: [XBOX] 360 Firmware Flaw Found |
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"Word is out on the street that a flaw in the Xbox 360 DVD firmware may allow a hacker to install his own custom firmware in there unchecked, and as such gain full control of what the DVD will or will not accept. In practice, this would mean that the drive could gain the capability to boot backups of original game DVD’s by flashing a self-built firmware in there which ignores the mandatory disc signing. The bold claims are being made by user TheSpecialist, who has been credited with a firmware hack before, which actually went unreleased because of several very good reasons. Considering this makes the guy credible enough, let’s move on to a few excerpts from his recent posts:"
How close is the Xbox 360 to being hacked?
Source: Xboxic
http://www.hackinthebox.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=19662
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 18:38 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 18:51 Post subject: |
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I hope so. I have not followed the 360 to closely so I was not sure if this was old news to people that do. I won't start getting excited until I see the Mod chip market moving.
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Elazul
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 19:33 Post subject: |
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TheSpecialist is a very unrealiable source, he claims to have "hacked" the original Xbox thus making it available to play copied discs without a modchip, he doesn´t want to "release" this so called "hack" though which makes him look rather stupid since noone except himself can confirm if it´s true or not...
"Thats no prob kanee! Suck your cock! A Firmware flash is more than fucking enough!" - Supermax2004
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 19:53 Post subject: |
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exactly, if he does it he won't release it because he's too scared...lol
cmun, if reflashing the firware of a dvd drive was going to break the protection of an xbox let alone a 360, it would have been done long ago.
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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Supino
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 19:58 Post subject: |
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yeah.. I had the understanding that the protection went deeper than that.
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Weedo
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 21:11 Post subject: |
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| Elazul wrote: | | TheSpecialist is a very unrealiable source, he claims to have "hacked" the original Xbox thus making it available to play copied discs without a modchip, he doesn´t want to "release" this so called "hack" though which makes him look rather stupid since noone except himself can confirm if it´s true or not... |
Uh, yeah? Hacking a box without a modchip isn´t news.
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 21:21 Post subject: |
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| _SiN_ wrote: | | Elazul wrote: | | TheSpecialist is a very unrealiable source, he claims to have "hacked" the original Xbox thus making it available to play copied discs without a modchip, he doesn´t want to "release" this so called "hack" though which makes him look rather stupid since noone except himself can confirm if it´s true or not... |
Uh, yeah? Hacking a box without a modchip isn´t news. |
He hacked the actual DVD drive firmware. allowing copied games to play on live. It is news as of about a month ago. And TheSpecialist explained why he didnt release it, and is a very reliable source Elazul. do a little bit more research before making such claims. He just didnt release it as a finished project, but if you read some of his tutorials/posts you can do it yourself, if your so inclined.
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20356
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 22:02 Post subject: |
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| Bigperm wrote: | | _SiN_ wrote: | | Elazul wrote: | | TheSpecialist is a very unrealiable source, he claims to have "hacked" the original Xbox thus making it available to play copied discs without a modchip, he doesn´t want to "release" this so called "hack" though which makes him look rather stupid since noone except himself can confirm if it´s true or not... |
Uh, yeah? Hacking a box without a modchip isn´t news. |
He hacked the actual DVD drive firmware. allowing copied games to play on live. It is news as of about a month ago. And TheSpecialist explained why he didnt release it, and is a very reliable source Elazul. do a little bit more research before making such claims. He just didnt release it as a finished project, but if you read some of his tutorials/posts you can do it yourself, if your so inclined.
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20356 |
If you believe the xbox or xbox360 can be hacked via a simple dvd firmware hack, you live in the land of the fairies.
Plenty of respected people have made bogus claims throughout history and 'The Specialist' won't be the last.
And the real point is, even if he managed to do it on the 360 he won't release it, so what's the point ?
ffs, there is more evidence of the tooth farie than there is of the 'The Specailist' dvd hack.
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 23:57 Post subject: |
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| jonels wrote: | | Bigperm wrote: | | _SiN_ wrote: |
Uh, yeah? Hacking a box without a modchip isn´t news. |
He hacked the actual DVD drive firmware. allowing copied games to play on live. It is news as of about a month ago. And TheSpecialist explained why he didnt release it, and is a very reliable source Elazul. do a little bit more research before making such claims. He just didnt release it as a finished project, but if you read some of his tutorials/posts you can do it yourself, if your so inclined.
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20356 |
If you believe the xbox or xbox360 can be hacked via a simple dvd firmware hack, you live in the land of the fairies.
Plenty of respected people have made bogus claims throughout history and 'The Specialist' won't be the last.
And the real point is, even if he managed to do it on the 360 he won't release it, so what's the point ?
ffs, there is more evidence of the tooth farie than there is of the 'The Specailist' dvd hack. |
Well Well, hey there little fairy. Arnt you nice.
I have done my reading on the xbox dvd firmware hack, i think you should do the same.
As far as the xbox 360 is concerned. Who knows. My post was to tell sin that it wasnt the same as the softmod xbox hacks which everyone knows about, and is not news. But hey, to each his own, beleve what you want. Am i attemting the firmware hack, fuck no. thats why i have a fully modded xbox. but to beleve something is not real becasue it nots released, and making an opineon without doing your homework...well thats as dumb as your tooth fairy argument. 
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 00:00 Post subject: |
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Ok whatever....You carry on waiting for your dvd firmware hack mate.
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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_SiN_
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 00:24 Post subject: |
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| Bigperm wrote: | | jonels wrote: | | Bigperm wrote: |
He hacked the actual DVD drive firmware. allowing copied games to play on live. It is news as of about a month ago. And TheSpecialist explained why he didnt release it, and is a very reliable source Elazul. do a little bit more research before making such claims. He just didnt release it as a finished project, but if you read some of his tutorials/posts you can do it yourself, if your so inclined.
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20356 |
If you believe the xbox or xbox360 can be hacked via a simple dvd firmware hack, you live in the land of the fairies.
Plenty of respected people have made bogus claims throughout history and 'The Specialist' won't be the last.
And the real point is, even if he managed to do it on the 360 he won't release it, so what's the point ?
ffs, there is more evidence of the tooth farie than there is of the 'The Specailist' dvd hack. |
Well Well, hey there little fairy. Arnt you nice.
I have done my reading on the xbox dvd firmware hack, i think you should do the same.
As far as the xbox 360 is concerned. Who knows. My post was to tell sin that it wasnt the same as the softmod xbox hacks which everyone knows about, and is not news. But hey, to each his own, beleve what you want. Am i attemting the firmware hack, fuck no. thats why i have a fully modded xbox. but to beleve something is not real becasue it nots released, and making an opineon without doing your homework...well thats as dumb as your tooth fairy argument. |
Yeah, i thought he meant the softmod or TSOP mod
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 01:26 Post subject: |
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The specialist firmware hack is real. The few people who are well known in the xbox hacking circles have confirmed it to be working.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 09:10 Post subject: |
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it works it can only play backups. Xbox 360 firmware is going to work because the firmware ISNT signed and in anway inhibited by the xbox 360's hyper visor all the xbox360 dvd drive does in laymans terms is send a series of flags to authenticate the disk IE the type of media etc. People love to harp on these boards about things they have no idea about and call bullshit. Trust me if Specialist says it can be done, it is so. You need to go read his posts on the technical side the guy is no idiot
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 11:19 Post subject: |
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Don't be so ridiculous, the protection on consoles from far back have a deeper level of protection than just the cd/dvd firmware. Just because a couple of members of a hacking board are winding up the gullible doesn't mean it's true...just think about it, firmware on dvd drives have been hacked from the very first ones with dvd region free hacks ect, there is no way this is the only level of protection needed to be beaten.
Of course the release of these dvd firmware hacks is literally just round the corner, so you can prove me wrong real soon, get ready for the stupendous magical dvd hacks, tell everyone, tell your friends, pretend you have a deep understanding of the method used and impress your friends... then finish it off with telling them that unfortunately the guy who has done it refuses to release it.
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 15:21 Post subject: |
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I think you need to find some more facts.... Removing DVD-region. WOW thats HARD. Not. That can be done with software, some small changes in Firmware and so on.
Think about it. As it is now the firmware in the DVD on the xbox360 checks the disc, sees that it is something wrong and sends that further into the system. Well what if it always sends "correct"? How would the rest of the system even notice it would be incorrect?
If the rest of the system always gets a correct signal it can't do anything to stop it. No matter if the CPU is encrypted, the hdd has special files on various places and so on. That won't help when a hacked firmware is in the DVD-rom. They will keep protecting from other hacks but not one that is so relying on the DVD-rom itself.
If a NEW firmware is written for the DVD-rom that is built similary to the original one, but not entirely, it would most likely mean success in booting backups.
I think TheSpecialist is real. Check the thread at xboxhacker.net yourself. Also if you actually have some hexediting skills, can extract firmwares yourself and modify I am pretty sure of that if you find the thread where TheSpecialist did all the work you can do it yourself too.
A thread about the hacking (general, not anything about how it was done in reality)
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=33&topic=285.0
Behold his GLORY! Bow for the technical master!
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 15:43 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | I think you need to find some more facts.... Removing DVD-region. WOW thats HARD. Not. That can be done with software, some small changes in Firmware and so on.
Think about it. As it is now the firmware in the DVD on the xbox360 checks the disc, sees that it is something wrong and sends that further into the system. Well what if it always sends "correct"? How would the rest of the system even notice it would be incorrect?
If the rest of the system always gets a correct signal it can't do anything to stop it. No matter if the CPU is encrypted, the hdd has special files on various places and so on. That won't help when a hacked firmware is in the DVD-rom. They will keep protecting from other hacks but not one that is so relying on the DVD-rom itself.
If a NEW firmware is written for the DVD-rom that is built similary to the original one, but not entirely, it would most likely mean success in booting backups.
I think TheSpecialist is real. Check the thread at xboxhacker.net yourself. Also if you actually have some hexediting skills, can extract firmwares yourself and modify I am pretty sure of that if you find the thread where TheSpecialist did all the work you can do it yourself too.
A thread about the hacking (general, not anything about how it was done in reality)
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=33&topic=285.0 |
yeh, we just forget the bad sector checking and pretend it doesn't exist...or hang on a minute, we could have a database of bad sectors for every game and every region and put it in the dvd firmware...yes...I've done it .wwooohoo, oh hang on a minute what about future games ?... wow, another idea (i'm on form today), this is what to do..code some time travelling senchant code that can manifest itself in future drives all over the world in all realities and send back the bad sector info from future releases and then get it to dynamically change the firmware (real time) in our firmware hacked 360 boxes...hell yeh, can't see any problems there then ?
I could while away the hours, confering with the flowers .. . .... ... . .....
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 16:26 Post subject: |
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If MS releases an update that will patch the firmware, the hacker can just redo the firmware again and a new version will be out. Once broken I think MS will have a tough time protecting themselves against it.
As for bad sectors checking... Where does that info STILL comes from? The DVD-drive. Yes. If the firmware is hacked I am pretty sure it will be hacked properly. Bad sectors are still read from the DVD-drive and hackers always finds a way anyway.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 16:30 Post subject: |
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| jonels wrote: | | kosmiq wrote: | I think you need to find some more facts.... Removing DVD-region. WOW thats HARD. Not. That can be done with software, some small changes in Firmware and so on.
Think about it. As it is now the firmware in the DVD on the xbox360 checks the disc, sees that it is something wrong and sends that further into the system. Well what if it always sends "correct"? How would the rest of the system even notice it would be incorrect?
If the rest of the system always gets a correct signal it can't do anything to stop it. No matter if the CPU is encrypted, the hdd has special files on various places and so on. That won't help when a hacked firmware is in the DVD-rom. They will keep protecting from other hacks but not one that is so relying on the DVD-rom itself.
If a NEW firmware is written for the DVD-rom that is built similary to the original one, but not entirely, it would most likely mean success in booting backups.
I think TheSpecialist is real. Check the thread at xboxhacker.net yourself. Also if you actually have some hexediting skills, can extract firmwares yourself and modify I am pretty sure of that if you find the thread where TheSpecialist did all the work you can do it yourself too.
A thread about the hacking (general, not anything about how it was done in reality)
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=33&topic=285.0 |
yeh, we just forget the bad sector checking and pretend it doesn't exist...or hang on a minute, we could have a database of bad sectors for every game and every region and put it in the dvd firmware...yes...I've done it .wwooohoo, oh hang on a minute what about future games ?... wow, another idea (i'm on form today), this is what to do..code some time travelling senchant code that can manifest itself in future drives all over the world in all realities and send back the bad sector info from future releases and then get it to dynamically change the firmware (real time) in our firmware hacked 360 boxes...hell yeh, can't see any problems there then ?
I could while away the hours, confering with the flowers .. . .... ... . ..... |
ok dude honestly you have no idea what you're talking about when you can modify firmware to this extent it doesnt matter. what matters is what the firmware tells the hypervisor the disk is. How do you think you burn live updates onto cdr/dvdr to update your xbox 360. Its doesnt work like that with modified firmware. The firmware hack is legitimate but hey in a coupla months when its common knowledge at least those of us who actually know some of these people behind it can say told you so. Further more its doesnt matter what microsoft do as kernel updates the firmware ISNT SIGNED and the xbox360 ISNT DESIGNED to run with signed firmware period.
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 16:58 Post subject: |
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| dvsone wrote: | | jonels wrote: | | kosmiq wrote: | I think you need to find some more facts.... Removing DVD-region. WOW thats HARD. Not. That can be done with software, some small changes in Firmware and so on.
Think about it. As it is now the firmware in the DVD on the xbox360 checks the disc, sees that it is something wrong and sends that further into the system. Well what if it always sends "correct"? How would the rest of the system even notice it would be incorrect?
If the rest of the system always gets a correct signal it can't do anything to stop it. No matter if the CPU is encrypted, the hdd has special files on various places and so on. That won't help when a hacked firmware is in the DVD-rom. They will keep protecting from other hacks but not one that is so relying on the DVD-rom itself.
If a NEW firmware is written for the DVD-rom that is built similary to the original one, but not entirely, it would most likely mean success in booting backups.
I think TheSpecialist is real. Check the thread at xboxhacker.net yourself. Also if you actually have some hexediting skills, can extract firmwares yourself and modify I am pretty sure of that if you find the thread where TheSpecialist did all the work you can do it yourself too.
A thread about the hacking (general, not anything about how it was done in reality)
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=33&topic=285.0 |
yeh, we just forget the bad sector checking and pretend it doesn't exist...or hang on a minute, we could have a database of bad sectors for every game and every region and put it in the dvd firmware...yes...I've done it .wwooohoo, oh hang on a minute what about future games ?... wow, another idea (i'm on form today), this is what to do..code some time travelling senchant code that can manifest itself in future drives all over the world in all realities and send back the bad sector info from future releases and then get it to dynamically change the firmware (real time) in our firmware hacked 360 boxes...hell yeh, can't see any problems there then ?
I could while away the hours, confering with the flowers .. . .... ... . ..... |
ok dude honestly you have no idea what you're talking about when you can modify firmware to this extent it doesnt matter. what matters is what the firmware tells the hypervisor the disk is. How do you think you burn live updates onto cdr/dvdr to update your xbox 360. Its doesnt work like that with modified firmware. The firmware hack is legitimate but hey in a coupla months when its common knowledge at least those of us who actually know some of these people behind it can say told you so. Further more its doesnt matter what microsoft do as kernel updates the firmware ISNT SIGNED and the xbox360 ISNT DESIGNED to run with signed firmware period. |
Do waste your breath, jonels will beleve what he wants. I can see this argument going nowhere.
@jonels
Did you even read up on if ffs. And as far as people not knowing about electronics Jonels, thats what i minored in at Uni. but as i said in the previous post, im not attempting it.I have a hard modded xbox, that i can play live with originals. And i think playing pirated MP is wrong. But if you read up on his meathod, its is very sound and plausable. I dont want to bash you or anything. but do you even know assembly? Or hardware addressing? Have you ever designed your own hardware? Writen drivers? A20 ring a bell?
Can you write me a truth table for simple gates? Do Boolean algebra? (normal simplification, and k-mapping?)
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 17:20 Post subject: |
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Well if your that good and as you said all the info is there for anyone to do it themselves , why haven't you ?
I know a few languages but the last programme i wrote was @6 or 7 years ago, it was a simple database written in c . I used to write homebrew in assembly on the old BBC computers when in my young teens. But I admit I'm no Jeff Minter.
It's bollox and you know it, no matter what 'the specialist' or 'iceman' (or whatever his name is) instist.
And as for the XenoGC chip, it's just a glorified swapdisc on a chip ..no amazing firmware hack.
So being a fantastic programmer yourself how do you propose to beat the bad sector checks, the main bios will check for on the 360 with just a code change in the dvd firmware ? It's bollox
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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Weedo
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 17:36 Post subject: |
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Wow how many more people will waste their time with jonels??
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 17:41 Post subject: |
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| Weedo wrote: | | Wow how many more people will waste their time with jonels?? |
Well explain to me how a dvd firmware hack will ever beat bad sector data checks ? because if any of you had really been reading 'the specialists' posts, that is exactly his latest waflle he is going on about. It was his idea about having a bad sector database for games written into the firmware ...can't you see he's pulling you're plonkers.
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 19:24 Post subject: |
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| jonels wrote: | | Weedo wrote: | | Wow how many more people will waste their time with jonels?? |
Well explain to me how a dvd firmware hack will ever beat bad sector data checks ? because if any of you had really been reading 'the specialists' posts, that is exactly his latest waflle he is going on about. It was his idea about having a bad sector database for games written into the firmware ...can't you see he's pulling you're plonkers. |
you are arguing about 2 different things. I have been talking about the Xbox the entire time. look back at your fairy post. I have never implyed or argued about the xbox 360, they just found the flaw ffs. And if you have read in my previous posts, im not interested in recreating the xbox dvd firmware hack, becasue i dont play pirated games online. It seem like you want everything handed to you, and if its not. It must be fake right. Do some research and figure it out for yourself.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 19:46 Post subject: |
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I don't want it either, and I still think it's not true ..so sue me
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 20:10 Post subject: |
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Hehehe Jonels.
Put it this way kiddo. I know more than you will ever know about console hacking. Much more. I know that the specialist isn't talking crap, because I know people who've seen the hack first hand.
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 20:20 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately I do not know people who have seen it, but I still believe that the hack is for real. I can't say I would release it either if I had made the hack. The possible legal implications of that could be very hard to handle. Not to mention to possibility of online hackers. Noone wants that.
Behold his GLORY! Bow for the technical master!
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Jenni
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 20:37 Post subject: |
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Theres alsorts of implications of the reasons he won't release it. I can't pretend to know them all. But if I were in a similar position as he is in. I can't say I would release it either.
I mean why would a high level xbox expert that he is and has proven to be in the past, would he spout utter bullshit in saying he has a hack that cannot be confirmed.
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