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 Posted: Sat, 19th Aug 2006 16:42 Post subject: Is there a DVD player for pc that upconverts dvds on my hdtv |
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Just wondering, you know how theres dvd players that upconvert 480p movies to 1080i/720p, since I play alot of movies off my pc. Wonder if theres a program instead of media player or windvd that will upconvert them?
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| Posted: Sat, 19th Aug 2006 18:07 Post subject: |
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let's get CSI on that right away!
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Aug 2006 06:43 Post subject: |
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Those dvds have chips in them that do the upconverting, so I doubt you can do that with just software
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Aug 2006 14:45 Post subject: |
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http://www.xoro.com/Product/DVD-Player/MPEG-4DVD-PlayerXoroHSD8400.html
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Xoro HSD8400
The new Xoro HSD 8400 DVD Player follows in the footsteps of HSD 415 and HSD 4000, its fantastic
award-winning predecessors. So, there is a lot resting on this new device! That's why the HSD 8400
offers a great deal more than your usual player.
Features
o HDMI MPEG-4 DVD player with integrated card reader
o Can perform upscaling on HDMI and component output to 720p and 1080i
o Plays DVD, VCD, SVCD, Audio-CD, WMA, JPEG, Kodak Picture-CD,MPEG1, MPEG2, MPEG4 (.avi and .mp4 extension. Supports ISO
MPEG4)
o Integrated card reader for SD, MMC, Memory Stick and Smart
Media storage cards
o Video connections: HDMI, SCART, video, S-video, VGA and component (progressive scan enabled)
o Audio connections: optical digital out, coaxial digital out, stereo out, 5.1 analog out
o Supports a large number of subtitle formats – even on MPEG4
o CD-R(W), DVD+R(W) and DVD-R(W) compatible
o Integrated 5.1 CH analog output for direct connection of active sound systems with 5.1 CH input
o Multi-language OSD
o Supports PAL and NTSC ( 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratio)
o Supports various DVD special features (multi-angle, multi-language, multi-aspect ratio)
o Parental control option
o Firmware can be updated from CD
And these are only two of its superior features:
HDMI: The high definition media interface digitally transfers pictures and sound simultaneously to an external device. The internal scaler can upscale PAL video images to 720p and 1080i, thus providing a clearly improved image quality.
Card reader: Memory cards can be connected directly to the DVD player to enjoy MP3s or images without having to involve the computer. Further highlights can be found on the features list.
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Your looking for this kind of player ?
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Aug 2006 15:03 Post subject: |
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Best method is through a HTPC, it's cheaper.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Aug 2006 17:48 Post subject: |
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If you are getting a standalone player check out the Oppo 971, very good, cheap upconverting player.
I am currently using one with a Sanyo Z4 projector with great results.
Or there is a mediaplayer that streams files from your pc harddrive. This one also streams real HD material. It is called Tvix 5000, I am also using that one with great results.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Aug 2006 19:19 Post subject: |
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If you're in Canada/USA and want a standalone upconverting dvd player, you might consider this one as well ... it's at any best buy so it's easy to find.
Philips Progressive-Scan DVD Player with HD Upconversion Model: DVP5960/37
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7686097&type=product&id=1134703758550
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Aug 2006 19:45 Post subject: |
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Wasn't timmy asking for a Software Player wich is able to upscale videos? I would like to know too, if someone has experience with such an application?
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Aug 2006 02:15 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The internal scaler can upscale PAL video images to 720p and 1080i, thus providing a clearly improved image quality. |
bullshit
i don't get how this is so hard to understand for some people; you can't magically turn a low resolution image into a large one and gain ANY advantage, other than a larger picture
there is ZERO quality increase
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE
magic does not exist
you can't pull rabbits from a hat if they haven't been put there earlier
the things you see them do on shows like 24 or CSI make people who actually know how these things work roll their eyes
yes, it's possible to apply suggestive upscaling algorithms, and yes it's possible to apply a refocusing filter to get rid of blur, but the actual effect they transparently have is fairly small before they start drawing awful artefacts on the images, which render them useless to anyone
my guess is it upsizes the picture and applies a sharpen filter on it to make it seem sharper, while it's actually reducing it's quality.. but who cares about quality if it's sharp!
any advanced scaling algorithm with any quality output would be too complex to be ran at realtime speeds on video in software, and i really doubt they would make hardware implementations of such algorithms
i'm fairly sure it's plain biliear interpolation
most dvds are so smooth already that you wouldn't see any difference to any existing algorithms
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if you have a Proper TV and a proper player, and you want resolution over everything and can't get it in HD, go for a PAL release
NTSC is 480, PAL is 576
but make sure your player supports other regions.. and the framerate is 25, as opposed to NTSC's 29.97
but most films are 24 fps anyway, so i personally prefer the extra resolution
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Aug 2006 05:56 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Aug 2006 14:24 Post subject: |
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Upscaling players do a better job for HDTV's cause they're internal resize which is basically over SCART is awful quality. It's like using a poor method versus good. So the quality can be better. BUt yeh in general people are so retarded about it.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Aug 2006 16:36 Post subject: |
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| s_hole wrote: | | Quote: | | The internal scaler can upscale PAL video images to 720p and 1080i, thus providing a clearly improved image quality. |
bullshit
i don't get how this is so hard to understand for some people; you can't magically turn a low resolution image into a large one and gain ANY advantage, other than a larger picture
there is ZERO quality increase
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE |
what about this then?
http://www.av-outlet.com/en-us/dept_335.html
http://www.connectedhomemag.com/Visual/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=50124
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Aug 2006 02:17 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | The myriad video signals all have to be converted or scaled to fit the native resolution of an HDTV display. Thus, the upconverting DVD player’s video processor goes to work adding pixels to the DVD’s native resolution to fill up the HDTV's screen. To do so, algorithms copy parts of the surrounding pixels and interpolate what the DVD’s video should look like at a higher resolution.
The process of converting a DVD’s 480i signal to 480p, 720p, or 1080i is incredibly complex and, if done poorly, can wreak havoc on picture quality. Factors such as fast on-screen motion, rapid scene transitions, and video noise from the source material can produce the aforementioned jaggies, visible pixilation (i.e., the “screen door effect”), and color shifting. A powerful, well-integrated video processor will eliminate, or at least minimize, these eyesores. |
This pretty much means that you wont gain quality but if you don't upconvert, the image will come out piss poor because a. it will be interlaced b. 480 lines strung across 720 lines without some kind of conversion will give you terrible image. It's not giving you better quality in that your improving the source but it's improving your Tv's presentation of the image |
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Aug 2006 19:40 Post subject: |
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| Noob wrote: | | Upscaling players do a better job for HDTV's cause they're internal resize which is basically over SCART is awful quality. |
ah
this i'm sure is true, and the real purpose for the existance of such 'upconverting' players
but saying that the image quality increases is misleading and bordering on bullshit
but compared to the internal resize, sure
deinterlacing - no increase of resolution
http://www.100fps.com/
this is practically the same process your mediaplayer does when playing dvds on a computer
deinterlacing and stretching to screen
no actual quality increase is involved
see Noob's comment
i was expecting modern HD screens to have atleast somewhat competent primitive image processing capabilities, such as simple image stretching, but clearly i have way too much faith in modern consumer hardware vendors
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Aug 2006 20:09 Post subject: |
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any way you guys want to slice it ... a dvd played on upconverting dvd player looks better than a conventional dvd player when displayed on a HDTV.
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