|
|
| Page 1 of 2 |
-=Cartoon=-
VIP Member
Posts: 8823
Location: South Pacific Ocean
|
 Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 01:25 Post subject: Are games getting "Dumb" ??? |
|
 |
Now is it just me or are games getting more and more and more "Dumbed down"
Look at railroads.... and look at how high reviews its getting... and also a whole lot of other recent games are in the same boat..
Now i realise game companys are just trying to market to the "masses"
It all started with Deus Ex .. when Deus Ex 2 was made... ack :/
And Rome Total War.... oh plz.. RTR made that game 10000x better...
But am i the only person who also enjoys a really DEEP game ??
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 01:27 Post subject: |
|
|
consoles are responsible for a lot of this imo.
X6800 Core Duo wasted within a shite DFI 975x/g,
2GB OCZ PC8000 XTC XE, X1900 Crossfire(have my own powerstation), Audigy 2, Z680 5.1
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 01:32 Post subject: |
|
|
Agreed.
Look at Morrowind compared to Oblivion. Now don't get me wrong, Oblivion is a SPECTACULAR looking game, but i constantly feel like i'm being led around like a child, that plus the fact that the NPCs sound very patronising every time they talk to you.
In Morrowind i felt like i had to work for all the information/rewards that i got.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
fraich3
Posts: 2907
Location: Not from my mouth!
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 01:50 Post subject: |
|
|
I second that.
And even though i never get to try RTR i could clearly see why RTW need the improvement and ekstra care :/
But then again i prefer playing mulitplayer games online, so aslong as the companies makes good online games then im happy (Give Starcraft 2, instead of wasting time on fkn wow. Thank you very much)
"Zipfero is the biggest fucking golddigger ever" - Mutantius
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Sil3nt
Posts: 465
Location: Estonia
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 02:13 Post subject: |
|
|
yea, its all about the moneys now... game quality means nothing... but then again we are also to blame for it, because we go and buy those "dumb" games like ze sheep we are.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 02:23 Post subject: |
|
|
| pumbertot1 wrote: | | consoles are responsible for a lot of this imo. |
not true , its the civilization thats changing the aspect of games , more and more people are working their ass off and then return to home for a time off ... relax ... and not a brain fight with a game ... thats why games are dumber and dumber ... if you ask someone thats working hard about what games he/she likes then the answer will be ... that they need action , guns and big explosions ... so thats why action games are made ... and other genres seeing that want to fit in becoz they don`t want to loose a customer ... Example : Company of Heroes ...
i need more games like Stars!, Kings of The dragon Pass they didn`t had any CGI and effects but they where fun ... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 02:41 Post subject: Re: Are games getting "Dumb" ??? |
|
|
| -=Cartoon=- wrote: | Now is it just me or are games getting more and more and more "Dumbed down"
Look at railroads.... and look at how high reviews its getting... and also a whole lot of other recent games are in the same boat..
|
I actually read a post recently, some guys was praising railroads as a game that he finally could play as he was intimidated by Railroad Tycoon series. I seriously pitty the fool that is intimidated by Railroad tycoon series...
Its simple economic math, computers and droolboxes are in almost every home. Smart and stupid poeple share the same trait, they constitute a small % of any population; the rest are average smarts, averge attention span, occassional ADHD sufferers, being taught from early age that its ok to be mediocre and that when faced by an obstacle, you better quit. Its your average noob, getting frustrated as soon as the game proves smarter then him/her. And one thing is true for any such noob, he wont buy new games that will make him feel inferior and incompetent. And voila, games are getting dumber and dumber in order to appeal to noobs mediocracy and increase sales.
There is this sick notion that self improvement and time invested into learning a skill is a time boring and time wasted. It's just the way things are now, fast food, fast fun, mass does not have the time to manage the inventory, that sounds too much like unpaid work lol.
So, welcome to the world of obsoleted customers, your gaming life will have its extreme ups (like when CIV4 was announced) and extreme downs (like when CIV4 was actually released), but hey, be happy, at least you are not intimidated by RT series 
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kumkss
Posts: 4830
Location: Chile
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 03:27 Post subject: |
|
|
yeah! fill the same too...
actualy... i didn't play a single good game from years till now...
well, exeptions... CIV4 is GREAT with LOTS of modding...
i miss the times of Q3 (best MP gae ever), C&C, TA, Alpha Centauri (better than the plain Civ4), and some other strategy games i've loved... even the original Prince of Persia and its second part miss i, they were masterpieces compared to the new 3d pop.
even Lands of Lore (I), Eye of the Beholder... what happen to all such GREAT games???
i really thinking about in NOT upgrading my box again... no need of it. last games that demand a lot of resources, are crap. (Doom3 was the last good fps game i've played)...
im really pissed of. buyed the PSP, and... more crap...
ps3 the solution??? i will burn in the 5yh level of hell if i buy a console!!! 
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 05:02 Post subject: |
|
|
games are getting more action,, i like broken sword 1 and 2 , little 3 but 4 is really stupid ,, and not all games on consoles are stupid try something like final fantasy 7-8 or dragon quest 8,, sometimes is released nice game like Galactic Civilization,, i think if World War 2 dont exist even half of games will not exist ,, i hope for new deep games with nice story and with good replaybilty ,,
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Leishar
Posts: 356
Location: Ireland
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Leishar
Posts: 356
Location: Ireland
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 10:43 Post subject: |
|
|
We must have a little faith in Fallout 3... What's the playerbase for a game like that? Age range between 25-40? I doubt most kids nowdays will even be interested in Fallout.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ankh
Posts: 23265
Location: Trelleborg
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 10:53 Post subject: |
|
|
Jesus, intimidated by Railroad Tycoon? I was playing Transport Tycoon since I was 6. In a foreign language!
Still <3 the game by the way.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Leishar
Posts: 356
Location: Ireland
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Parallax_
VIP Member
Posts: 6422
Location: Norway
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 11:19 Post subject: |
|
|
I can think of several reasons why games have been dumbed down over the ages.
1. Consoles/Porting: Up until the Xbox360/PS3-era, PC have been far ahead of consoles, which meant that games that were ported from consoles to PCs or that were made for consoles and PCs simultaneously (*cough* DX2, Thief3 *cough*) ended up being "streamlined", a nice word for dumbing down or making a game less complex because the consoles could not take it (or you could not play it well with the gamepad).
Unfortunately the developers ended up neglecting the PC side, thinking that PC-gamers and Console-gamers are all the same shit, which they are not. Thus, just porting the game as it was, or making the game the same as the console-version for PCs in order to save development costs.
We all know the results... 
2. The Mainstream-era: Back in the 90s, gaming never had a broad audience,it was mostly a "geek" thing, innovation was not a big issue at the time and neither was marketing costs. Nowadays it is much difference. Gaming has a very big audience, and is marketed on the line of movies.
It is a corporate time for games, publishers keep on buying up as many development houses as they can, and those who cannot prove themselves are laid off. Marketing and development costs are very big concern for publishers, and as such they are not willing to take much risks anymore. Innovation is especially hurting because of this, which is where my point comes in. Just like some movies, games are also deliberately censored, have less violence, cursing, and other things in them in order to receive a lower rating in order to reach a broader audience. The general gaming age now spans from 3 to 60, something which was never the "general" thing in the 90s. Publishers are now marketing their games toward a big group of people, a lot of them from the working group as well.
Nobody (according to the publishers, marketing people, etc) today wants a game that is complex as hell, takes a week to learn, and is frustrating hard to play through. Games are supposed to be fun, right? People are supposed to live their lives, have jobs, raise families, an in addition have fun playing games on the side too. Well, that is at least my opinion of the demographics the publishers are trying to target nowadays. Streamlining games is an unfortunate side effect of all this, and it is not going away. Better accept it.
Hope this is readable
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
poullou
Posts: 1746
Location: Internet Express
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 12:20 Post subject: |
|
|
because americans are morons and people have to cater to lowest possible denominator
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 12:26 Post subject: |
|
|
Why is it that every time a bad game hits the market the consoles get the heat? Don't you guys know there are and were alot of craptastic games on the PC? Just because you don't download those games doesn't mean they're not there. Compared to consoles the PC is shit heaven.
The PC has as much fault in the dumbing down as the consoles. The machines aren't to blame. The game industry has grown alot in the past years. It's become a giant industry. Developing games costs millions and the publishers want to appeal to the masses. A few hardcore gamers complaining doesn't mean shit. The industry is evolving, get over it. Everytime you say 'teh graphs suxorz' without even checking the gameplay you're pushing the industry towards the masses. The looks are more important than content theswe days. The days of hours and hours of gameplay with just a few kilobytes is long gone.
The same happened to films. Watch some movies from the 70s and 80s and compare those to the generic Hollywood crap these days. The movies are fun, but the depth is gone.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Horrordee
Soderator
Posts: 8866
Location: England
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 13:20 Post subject: |
|
|
Yep. When I played HL2 and didn't think once I decided that games are definately getting dumbed down. Sucks ass really.
Space for rent. Contact me for rates!
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Horrordee
Soderator
Posts: 8866
Location: England
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 13:34 Post subject: |
|
|
For me it seems that if a game has excellent graphics, a physic engine and a very easy interface with not too many ingame options you got a hit on your hands!
Thats what the industry today represents to me, some companies stand out for me above the rest and it is those that put a solid story into their games, dont rush games weather it is t he publisher or dev and most of all gives the player some ingame options.
I personally dont blame the consoles, imo it is the publisher or devs that screw themselves over when they overextend themselves, by trying to release it on 5 diffrent systems at the same time.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 13:37 Post subject: |
|
|
| Horrordee wrote: | Or maybe thats just HL2  |
what, you prefer the oldy days of doom then 
| Quote: | | PC awesome button = Uninstall! |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
poullou
Posts: 1746
Location: Internet Express
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 13:40 Post subject: |
|
|
| Mister_s wrote: | Why is it that every time a bad game hits the market the consoles get the heat? Don't you guys know there are and were alot of craptastic games on the PC? Just because you don't download those games doesn't mean they're not there. Compared to consoles the PC is shit heaven.
The PC has as much fault in the dumbing down as the consoles. The machines aren't to blame. The game industry has grown alot in the past years. It's become a giant industry. Developing games costs millions and the publishers want to appeal to the masses. A few hardcore gamers complaining doesn't mean shit. The industry is evolving, get over it. Everytime you say 'teh graphs suxorz' without even checking the gameplay you're pushing the industry towards the masses. The looks are more important than content theswe days. The days of hours and hours of gameplay with just a few kilobytes is long gone.
The same happened to films. Watch some movies from the 70s and 80s and compare those to the generic Hollywood crap these days. The movies are fun, but the depth is gone. |
You contradict quite a few times with your statements. First you say industry evolved to appeal to the masses and then you say that hardcore gamers whine about gfx. No, it's all about the gameplay and new innovative games. Besides, physics implementation in a few good games and some combinations like fps+rts, there is nothing really new. PC market is more and more shifting to MMO where gamers pay per month subscribtions. LOL all game developers are now trying to create a good MMO. Did you see anything new in FIFA and PES sereis?
But, we need better gfx. Not necessarily awesome gfx but at least some good ones.
I have to however agree to the part you say that few kilobytes of long gameplay is gone. True, because now there is so much to do like physics, HDR, polygons, etc.
The genres are drained! We are only left with combinations of different genres: Dark messiah as an fps scaling like an rpg, BF being fps with commander, some new fps mods with rts elements and MMOFPS(huxley)
Ἢ τὰν ἢ ἐπὶ τᾶς - Μολὼν λαβέ
Today is a gift. That's why it's called the present.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 13:55 Post subject: |
|
|
I have it the think it peeple it is get dumbinger, that why game is dumbing more so. Game play is round in 8h and 16h max, it be used to have 46-60h?
Where real rpg is, baldur gate type, it gone, where is game in style of the enemy territory and quake III, they is substigating for drazkadzy versiony how say in englings more shit versiony. It more is quickly money, dumbinger peeple do buy end maker think, k dumbing peeple like the dumbing game end we making more. It is circle in the vicinity:(
I make the drawing what speaking I mean,
i not good making of the drawing, i is not artician, but you seeing what i is mean I hope. It sad is eh?
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
poullou
Posts: 1746
Location: Internet Express
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
| Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006 15:11 Post subject: |
|
|
| poullou wrote: | | Mister_s wrote: | Why is it that every time a bad game hits the market the consoles get the heat? Don't you guys know there are and were alot of craptastic games on the PC? Just because you don't download those games doesn't mean they're not there. Compared to consoles the PC is shit heaven.
The PC has as much fault in the dumbing down as the consoles. The machines aren't to blame. The game industry has grown alot in the past years. It's become a giant industry. Developing games costs millions and the publishers want to appeal to the masses. A few hardcore gamers complaining doesn't mean shit. The industry is evolving, get over it. Everytime you say 'teh graphs suxorz' without even checking the gameplay you're pushing the industry towards the masses. The looks are more important than content theswe days. The days of hours and hours of gameplay with just a few kilobytes is long gone.
The same happened to films. Watch some movies from the 70s and 80s and compare those to the generic Hollywood crap these days. The movies are fun, but the depth is gone. |
You contradict quite a few times with your statements. First you say industry evolved to appeal to the masses and then you say that hardcore gamers whine about gfx. No, it's all about the gameplay and new innovative games. Besides, physics implementation in a few good games and some combinations like fps+rts, there is nothing really new. PC market is more and more shifting to MMO where gamers pay per month subscribtions. LOL all game developers are now trying to create a good MMO. Did you see anything new in FIFA and PES sereis?
But, we need better gfx. Not necessarily awesome gfx but at least some good ones.
I have to however agree to the part you say that few kilobytes of long gameplay is gone. True, because now there is so much to do like physics, HDR, polygons, etc.
The genres are drained! We are only left with combinations of different genres: Dark messiah as an fps scaling like an rpg, BF being fps with commander, some new fps mods with rts elements and MMOFPS(huxley) |
Where did I state hardcore gamers whine about gfx  . I said the complaining of a relative few hardcore gamers doesn't mean anything. The 'you say' wasn't directed to anyone, I was speaking in general.
A good game may very well be about gamplay and innovation, but how many innovative games break sales records? That's why the publishers are playing it safe. You might not like games like Sims, but those games sell. When a bussiness gets big enough profit gets a higher priority than innovation. I'm afraid 'the gaming industry is huge.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
| Page 1 of 2 |
All times are GMT + 1 Hour |
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB 2.0.8 © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|
|
 |
|
